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Musical Merits &Demerits of IR and ARR [Only for fans, not fanatics!]

Topic started by V (@ 147.129.99.180) on Thu Jul 17 16:26:37 EDT 2003.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

To bring our healthy/unhealthy discussion on music merits and demeits of IRR and ARR out of the Thangar Bacchaan thread I starting this thread so that it would be more appropriate.

I expect people who post here to be fans and not typical fanatics. Expecially the young ARR fans and the "Theevira" Raja fans

Thanks!

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Responses:

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• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Mon Sep 22 09:44:08 EDT 2003
  
  Maddy,
  Yup, ARR is the gr8est, HE has done everything, He is gr8er than IR, Are you satisfied.
  Is this you want to hear? I accept it.
  
  Thanks for the Information.
  
  
• From: Vatsa (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Mon Sep 22 10:02:14 EDT 2003
  
  Hi,
  
  tamilian taste is way better than listening to people listening to annu malik's music and I dont want to say to u again that even ARR (who should have good taste to produce good music) has said about hindi belt taste. And stop this non-sense about comparing tamilian as if you are the best in the world.
  
  Vatsa
  
  
• From: Vatsa (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Mon Sep 22 10:03:08 EDT 2003
  
  that was a response to MADdy .. of course
  
  Vatsa
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Mon Sep 22 10:17:30 EDT 2003
  
  Maddy
  I forgot to add, Tamilians are idiots, have no tastes, are mean people, on top of that do you want me to add, leave alone deva, Chandrabose is better than IR.
  
  It is a pity that Tamil Nadu is in India, it should have been somewhere like Siberia
  
  Appa, you should be in the seventh heaven right now, I am happy that atleast i made somebody happy...
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.237) on: Mon Sep 22 14:30:58 EDT 2003
  
  MADDY and Dude,
  
  frm my knowledge of ur previous posts i know ur[maddy] a kannadiga. as ARR has never composed a film in kannada so far and he has never been invited to compose music for kananda movies can we say that all kannadigas are having bad taste.
  
  the telugu field is too grim for ARR. after 1993 he has never compsoed a direct telugu movie. and malayalam!!! dont even ask me after 1992 yodha and vaishanvar they didnt invite him....
  
  the case is very clear now maddy. ARR is not invited in any of the south indian films. [BTW IR's latest release in these territories were NIZHAL KUTHU- MALAYALAM, SHAMBU - TELUGU, UDAYA - KANNADA]. ARR is a person who caters to people living in metropolitan areas like trivandrum in kerala, bangalore in karnataka and hyderabad in andhra etc., where the people belonging to middle, upper middle and upper class live.
  
  considering the case of mass people who live in rural or semi urban areas frm lower middle and lower class people still live with the music of this land but their economical power doesnt allow them to buy cassetts and cd's. they depend upon radios and tv's for their entertainment or they buy pirated cassttes. they dont hav a medium, like wat u people boast as sales equation, to voice their opinion.
  
  a very recent example cud be the song frm 'thiruda thiruda' - manmada raasa. which is huge hit among mass people but the cassette sales is nowhere equal to Boys sales. the film is hit only for one song and topping the charts. incedentaly the song is a folk no.[ which is a style popularised by IR and the song tune is similar to unmadhama enmadhama aandavan entha madham-raaman abdullah composed by IR:-) ] now touch ur conscience and tell does cassette sales really reflect, popularity among mass people?
  
  IR is living in the hearts of majority people of these four states. he is been glorified by these people becos he provides their music not something alien to them.
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.217.147) on: Mon Sep 22 14:31:59 EDT 2003
  
  atlast truth has dawned on u MIL abt tamils.....
  
  "manmadha rasa","malle malle","O podu" ......wow wat songs mannnnn.... anu malik can never compose such songs, i accept........ watever u guys mite tell,the treatement meted out to ARR by some of tamil mags,ppl., producers, IR-fans is out of a very bad taste indeed and also not being happy for this guy in his international ventures is also a gr8 quality of tamils........
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.217.147) on: Mon Sep 22 14:39:14 EDT 2003
  
  no way mr. RS ...u can never get a good certificate from a civilsed guy for "manmadha rasa" song..... ARR is the most popular Tamil md in Andhra as far as i know....... and also RS... though i'm a kannadiga i dunt know wat the heck is happenning in Kannada industry.....i just watch english,tamil and a bit of hindi movies..... and also guys i was born in chennai so dunt think i have that typical hatred for tamils from a kanndiga.....i love tamils but they do get somethings wrong abt. some ppl...
  
  "ARR has never composed a film in kannada so far and he has never been invited to compose music for kananda movies can we say that all kannadigas are having bad taste"
  they simply cannot afford ARR(money wise and qulaity wise)......
  
  
  
  
• From: Vatsa (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Mon Sep 22 15:13:11 EDT 2003
  
  Hi Maddy,
  
  Annu malik can never compose these songs because he never copies these kind of song thats why ... he either copies ARR, IR or some famous person's songs.. not Deva's. Maybe he is not very sure about originality of deva's composition and he wants to be sure he copies from original and not from copied ones.
  
  Vatsa
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.243) on: Mon Sep 22 15:20:54 EDT 2003
  
  today,
  
  i happend to watch 'Vandicholai chinnarasu' in KTV. he he jus listen to the song 'parotta parotta' composed by ARR. and the movie udaya has got song 'thiruvallikeni raani'.
  summa moodungada ennamo ARR ithu madri pattu compose pannatha madri pesathinga. aana he is not able to make them hit. antha verupla folk songs mela ungalukkum verupu ayidichi aiyoo paavam. neenga 'boys' padathula vantha madri kutti skirt potta ponnugaloda englishla dash pottu 'enakoru girlfriend venumnu' solli padunga illana kulukki kaati 'september madhamnnu' padunga. naanga athayae enga mozhiyila 'kuruvi kodanja koyya pazham' 'manmada raasannu' padikirom .
  
  padicha panakkara quality vargathukku ithuvum pudikalaena'who the f*ck is alice' kettu illana kaambu theriyira dress pottuttu aadara britney spears,madonna, JLO ithu madri pathu jollu vidunga naanga 'malai malai marutha malaya'kettu pathu enga mozhiyila jollu vittukirom.
  
  thoooooo.... vidarathu jollunnu mudivu panniyachu appuram ennada mayeeru englishuu tamizhuuu civilised guynnu kadhai vidreenga.
  
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Mon Sep 22 16:15:27 EDT 2003
  
  "though i'm a kannadiga i dunt know wat the heck is happenning in Kannada industry....."
  
  MADdy
  
  "My friend is acting in a movie called Janani in kannada (his name is Shiva but original name is different)" and the Music director of the movie is also my friend, he did Naalai, but never got released, I think if i dont have the knowledge (or taste) like you do (alas I am a tamizhian who has no taste whatsoever), atleast have more info on what is happening..
  
  I dont have a outright acceptance to what you say.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Mon Sep 22 16:17:31 EDT 2003
  
  RS,
  Please no bad slang please..
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.20.114) on: Mon Sep 22 20:47:22 EDT 2003
  
  Maddy,
  FYI ARR is not the most popular MD in Andhra. Andhra has had its talented crop of MD's after IR. ARR is known only through his hindi releases and due to the majority muslim and marwadi populace in hyderabad and I doubt that its only in the metropolitan cities . People still listen to old IRs songs of 80s, on radio or cassettes. Do you know that cassettes of ECHO (IRs music) are still being sold regularly in most cassette shops of Hyderabad (fresh batches mind you not old leftovers!).
  
  Unfortunately people don't prefer to listen to ARRs movie songs (not because of bad music) but because of the bad lyrical quality by AM Ratnam and Siva Ganesh. Even a good musical like KKKK was a musical disaster due to the crazy crap by these gentlemen. IR on the other hand had two advantages in telugu. One is direct telugu movies and the other is the great poet, Rajashri as his dubbing lyricist.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.25) on: Mon Sep 22 23:33:55 EDT 2003
  
  MIL,
  
  sorry. ivan muttal madri tamizhargaloda taste pathi pesuna kovam thaan varuthu.
  
  Jag,
  
  i hav a personal experience on this. 2 months back i was on my way to bangalore via chitoor frm chennai in a night bus. the bus stopped somewhere around 2am in a highway...... the song taht woke me up was 'Balapampatti' frm bobilli raja then 'o priya priya' adn 'abanee theeyanee' the bus waited there for 20 minutes, the tea shop radio played 5 songs, three wer IRs.
  
  Maddy, do u want to defend this????? shall we take a trip on a highway and listen to the songs being played in the raodsided hotel??????
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Tue Sep 23 00:52:02 EDT 2003
  
  MADDY,
  
  "MIL, ARR has eaten up IR in all the ascpects like cassette sales,Making big-budget movie run, National fame, international recognition......."
  
  You are smart dear MADDY. But you stopped short to mention the most important element in music. Quality and non-plagiarism. Guess EVERYONE knows who ate up who in that department in the end.
  
  
  "it's just that he did not achieve 100% fan-following in TN bcos of IR's dominance........i need not tell it again and again how good is a average tamilian's taste......."
  
  My above post explains your 2nd point too. In other words, 'Quality and non-plagiarism = dominance'
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.135) on: Tue Sep 23 01:45:28 EDT 2003
  
  Yaaaawwnn.....
  Quality? Non-plagiarism? this terms are familiar to the one who mentioning it above too...
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.135) on: Tue Sep 23 01:46:16 EDT 2003
  
  it was missing from his fav MD too a couple of times (or was it present only a couple of times)
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Tue Sep 23 05:33:16 EDT 2003
  
  Even greater Yaaaawnnnnn....if you can't reply point 4 point and always run away by being a junk.
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.135) on: Tue Sep 23 06:39:06 EDT 2003
  
  oooh i see...
  i should learn from u then?...
  sure...master ji
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.234.196) on: Tue Sep 23 14:13:28 EDT 2003
  
  mr.RS thnx for exposing ur true colors urself........ i'm a person who believes glamour is fine but not vulgarity and perversion........ "manmadha rasa", "malle malle" are vulgar songs......."girlfriend",britney's songs are glamour and nuthin else..... i dunt think u can understand this subtle difference.....
  
  jag sorry for calling ARR as the most popular MD in Andhra..it is a mistake.....SORRY.......
  
  MIL mannn...wow mannn u r a movie buff....
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.234.196) on: Tue Sep 23 14:19:54 EDT 2003
  
  i dunt really know abt. road side shops but i still listen to ARR's songs in major music stores and cd shops and still he is the biggest money spinner in terms of sales for TFM........ dunt tell me economy is the reason for it....he has sold 2 lakh units of boys in this S/W recession period........
  
  

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