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Topic started by bb (@ 24.4.254.104) on Tue Feb 20 03:21:22 EST 2001.
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Hi! We've made a major addition to newtfmpage, and that is a big song bank. Dhool features thousands of songs for your listening pleasure. This site is a part of the newtfmpage.com - swara.com group. Together with newtfmpage, we wish to make this the best place to listen to tamil film songs online and know about tamil film music. Our collection includes old, new, famous, rare and unheard of songs. We are still fine tuning and fixing the database errors, so please bear with us. We value your feedback, and this will help us build the site better. Please post your comments below or mail to comments@newtfmpage.com.
This work was done by us (bb and RR) with MS and swara.com ravi.

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• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.190) on: Tue Apr 29 02:06:38 EDT 2003
  
  Read about AA Raj here:
  
  http://www.cinemaexpress.com/achivers/
  
  
• From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.67) on: Tue Apr 29 02:30:04 EDT 2003
  
  OISG, Is Valee dead, news to me?!!!(My only contention is that VM is the only one among the current ,(alive)lot who can think of writing poetry. )
  Valee probably feels that tamil films don't even need lyrics let alone poetry:-)
  Thanks for the welcome but I was never away but there is precious little to warrant my poking the nose. Devan, tippu,karthik are generally not my cup of degree coffee.hence the silence
  
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.235) on: Tue Apr 29 02:39:01 EDT 2003
  
  OISG- yes it was Uma Nagabhushanam who penned the lyrics for that unforgettable 'Poovey nee yaar solli yaarukkaaga malargindraai'- a song that featured weekend after weekend in Radio Ceylon's Vidumarai Viruppam in 1883-84.
  
  Yes, Unakkaga Oru Roja had a big starcast- Suresh, Satyaraj, Ambika, perhaps Nalini/Viji too.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.235) on: Tue Apr 29 02:45:27 EDT 2003
  
  Oops- went one century back - it should be 1983-84!
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 203.199.209.101) on: Tue Apr 29 03:53:52 EDT 2003
  
  bb,
  
  sorry i was wrong (as usual). the film about which i was talking is "Hello Mr. Zameendaar" and not "Zameendaar".
  
  but my request for SOTD is still valid :-)
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.136.26.31) on: Tue Apr 29 10:29:46 EDT 2003
  
  OISG,
  I would rather contend with you than most in DF. You have a valid stance, that's fine by me. I can disagree gracefully, I hope you don't hold back on your opinions. It will force me to look at things another way. But regarding VM, I feel there are many writers out there (pretty much any Thamizh M.A. graduate)who can better VM's output in TFM today. Vaali's capable of it, maybe, but he's resigned not to, so no use even considering him in the picture.
  
  Saravanan,
  I'm sorry that it's one of your all time favorites, but for a song with SJ and MV, "Forgivable" is mighty praise from me.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 129.33.49.251) on: Tue Apr 29 11:21:20 EDT 2003
  
  This song (Vaanil Nilaavume) rocks, bb! It's like an unplugged version - oh, man! the harmony is amazing towards the end of the song! What a catch! I am certain this is a one 'of a kind' number in TFM (or IFM, for that matter)!!! Towards the end, the male vocalist reminds me very much of Jim Reeves!
  
  Listening to this song shakes so many of my beliefs - if harmony was not more prevalent in TFM prior to IR, I don't think it was as much a drawback in the MDs of that age as it was an unwillingness to accept it by the public. The only other explanation I have for it is, some joker spoofed this song in some state-of-the-art studio - even if that's the case, I am equally impressed :)
  
  But, I'd really like to know how you got hold of this song!
  
  
• From: bb (@ 206.154.118.2) on: Tue Apr 29 13:27:40 EDT 2003
  
  Yes, the song looks like an unplugged version. The end harmony is amazing. I have no idea about the movie or md. i got this among a bunch of old songs that a friend pointed me at.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.233) on: Tue Apr 29 13:29:11 EDT 2003
  
  bb- engedhu pudicheenga indha paattai? Never heard it or even heard of it- Amazing Song!
  I am listening to it again and again-- THANKS!
  
  Udhaya- is that Major Chandrakanth song you're talking about 'Oru naal yaaro'?
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.2.7) on: Tue Apr 29 13:33:25 EDT 2003
  
  Hey- there was a post by Udhaya mentioning a few old songs having great interludes,wasn't there?
  Jeeboomba mayaama- ippo andha post kaanom :(
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.136.26.32) on: Tue Apr 29 13:36:22 EDT 2003
  
  Saravanan,
  Yes it was. Now that bb erased the source post, people are going to wonder what we're talking about. Well, enough digression, let's enjoy today's SOTD a rare find.
  
  Any guesses on the voices? It sounds a lot closer to Ghantasala than AMR. The female isn't grand enough to be MLV.
  
  
• From: p (@ 207.188.29.249) on: Tue Apr 29 13:42:37 EDT 2003
  
  More trivia on TR's family..rather USha Rajendar:)) Her last sister is Swarnamukhi, the well known bharathanAtiyam dancer and another sister is wife of L.Vaidyanathan (MD of EzhAvathu manithan,Dasarathan and brother of L.Subramaniam)
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.136.26.32) on: Tue Apr 29 13:45:29 EDT 2003
  
  p,
  Thanks for letting me know that "Dasarathan" was by LV. It had a good lullaby duet, "Aaraaroa aariraroa kanaavae valarpirai nilaavae" with a rare SPB, KJY combo.
  
  bb,
  I request the above as a future SOTD.
  
  
• From: bb (@ 206.154.118.2) on: Tue Apr 29 13:46:58 EDT 2003
  
  yeah, I have that song. I will put it up sometime.
  
  Is the female singer A.P.Komala? or can it be Balasaraswathi (though the voice sounds different).
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.229) on: Tue Apr 29 13:50:13 EDT 2003
  
  Udhaya,
  I am inclined to TA Mothi, and the female voice sounds suspiciously like a young Balasaraswathi. On second thoughts it may be TV Rathinam. I am still listening to it--!
  
  
• From: bb (@ 206.154.118.2) on: Tue Apr 29 13:50:54 EDT 2003
  
  TV Rathinam yaaru? A.M.Rathinam-Oda amma-vaa :-)
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.233) on: Tue Apr 29 14:18:54 EDT 2003
  
  bb- How could you : ))
  
  TV Rathinam was a great singer who sang many memorable songs in the 40s and 50s. When the great G Ramanathan chose to sing in the film Ponmudi-1950, he selected TVR as his duet partner- please listen to the songs sung by this pair-'Neelavaanum nilavum poley' and 'Vaan mazhayindri vaadidum'- you'll perceive what GR saw in TVR's voice.
  
  You could also listen to classics like Sri Saraswathi namaosthuthey-Miss Malini, Manathirkkisaindha raja- Marmayogi, Anju roobai nottai- Andhaman Kaithi, Vaa nilavey-Parijadham, Aalai aalai paarkiraar-Ratha Kanneer, Anbe nam deivam-Neethipathi, Aayarpaadi kanna nee-Rangon Radha, Solla vallayo Kiliye- Koondukili, Oviyanain Ullamthannai-Aasai--You'll understand why the entire galaxy of tfm MDs of the 50s like SMS, SVV, Govindarajulu Naidu, KVM, TG Lingappa, TRP and V-R repeatedly gave a variety of songs to TVR.
  
  
• From: sk (@ 218.186.181.185) on: Tue Apr 29 16:07:06 EDT 2003
  
  bb:
  
  The voice in SOTD appears to be TA Mothi as Saravanan mentioned, although Indian Heart Beat claims it to be AM Raja.
  
  I have the 2 ponmudi songs sung by GR and TV Rathnam. I will send them to you.
  
  
• From: bb (@ 206.154.118.2) on: Tue Apr 29 17:07:18 EDT 2003
  
  TA Mothi was the one who sang "kaaNaa inbam kanindhadhEnO", right? it sounds like him, but i find his voice similar to Ghantasala's.
  
  
• From: bb (@ 12.234.176.52) on: Tue Apr 29 22:52:12 EDT 2003
  
  Song of the Day: satti suttadhadaa from aalaya maNi.
  
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/cgi-bin/stream.pl?url=http://www.dhool.com/sotd/satti.rm
  
  SK (Sathiya Keerthi) wrote in detail on this song a few years ago in this thread, http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/20311.3978.9.html :
  
  Naan paalum pazhamum patri ezhuthiyavatrai paaraattiya ellOrukkum mikka nandri. I saw Aalaya MaNi in the weekend (Thanks to NOV for telling me that this movie was being shown on Malaysian TV) and I am compelled to write another long posting. Although the movie has excellent songs such as thookkam un kaNgaLai thazhuvattumE, ponnai virumbum boomiyilE, and kallellaam maaNikka kallaagumaa, I just want to write about the song in the movie, satti suttadhadaa. The song is usually classified as one depicting sadness (see TMS sOha geedhangaL.. thread, but I want to argue that it is just the opposite.
  
  There are good (divine) and bad (animal) qualities in-born in every human being. In some people, one or more of the bad qualities such as fear, jealousy, anger, etc., are present in an extreme level, causing deep mental agony. The hero of the movie is one such person; the problem in him is extreme jealousy. If he loves a certain thing and if someone else sets eye on it, he loses control and becomes furious. When he was a small boy, he even caused the death of a dear friend who set his eyes on a doll that the hero loved. The hero, who otherwise is a person of good character, has been having this deep feeling of guilt that he (the deep jealousy in him) was the cause of his dear friend's death. Hence he has been consciously making an effort to control jealousy whenever it arises, and is also doing so many good deeds to others as atonement. BUT, the fact was that jealousy was always rooted inside him, just waiting for a chance to explode.
  
  Naayagan oru azhagaana peNNai kaNdu mayanginaan; avan perum paNakkaaran aanadhaal avaLudaya petrOrai sulabhamaaga convince paNNi avaLai maNam mudikka nichchayamum seydhaan. Avanukku oru uyir naNban. Andha naNbanukkum thanakku varappOgum manaivikkum kaLLa uRavu irukkindradhu endru kELvippattu naayaganum avargaLai sandhEgikka aarambikka, uLLil idhuvarai adangi irundha poRaamai endra mirugam viswaroopam eduththu varugiRathu. Than uyir naNbanai kolai seyya andha mirugam thooNdugiRathu; naNbanai thaniyaaga oru malai uchchikku kootti selgiRaan thaLLivittu kolvadhaRkku. Kolai seyyap pOgum tharuvaayil avanudaya uyir naNban uNmaiyai sollugiRaan: oru kaalaththil avanum appeNNum kaadhalargaLaaga irundhadhu uNmai; aanaal, naayagan avaLai virumbugiRaan endru therindhadhum avaLai naayaganukkaaga vittu koduththuvittaan; avaLum konjam konjamaaga naNbanai maRandhu naayaganai nEsikka thodangivittaaL!
  
  Indha uNmai therindha nilaiyil naayagan enna seydhaan? Enna seydhaan enbadhai konjam postpone paNNivittu, enna seydhiruppaan endru aaraaivOmaa? Nam manadhukku iraNdu solutions thOndra vaayyppirukkiRadhu. Avai enna endru paarppOm.
  
  uNmai enna endru naNban solliyum, naayagan manadhil viswaroopam eduththa poRaamai ennum mirugam avanai thodarndhu aagramiththu, indha naNban iruppadhu unakku eppOdhum aabaththuthaan; avanai kondruvidu, adhuthaan unakku nalladhu endru thooNda, avanum adhanpadi nadandhirukkalaam. I call this as the animal solution. Naayaganukku idhu nadakkavillai. En? Let us analyze.
  
  Manidhan, poRaamai pOndru manadhil irukkum mirugaththai iraNdu muRaiyil deal paNNalaam. He can just accept that as a part of him and act whatever that animal instinct asks him to do. If this had been the case, the animal solution would be the most natural result.
  
  But, nammudaya naayagan was not so; he had always considered jealousy as a disease and had been fighting and resisting it all his life. Adhanaal, naNbanidamirundhu uNmai therindha pin avan, chE chE, ennai indha poRaamai ennum mirugam engkE koNdu sendruvuttadhu paar endru sindhiththu adhanpadi manidhanaaga seyalpattiruppaan. (avargaLudaya vaazhkkaiyai patri avan enna mudivu seygiRaan enbadhu ingku mukkiyamalla. So I will not go into that.) I call this as the human solution. The key thing to note here is that jealousy is still present in him; indha muRai adhu viswaroopam eduththa pOthu adhai avan adakkivittaan, avvaLavudhaan; pinnar avan vaazhvil adhu vERu oru kaaraNaththiRkkaaga paayndhu veLi vara vaayppu irukku innum.
  
  uNmai therindha andha nEraththil avanukku, mElE solliya reNdu solutions-um nadakkavillai. AppuRam ennadhaan nadandhadhu? naNbanidamirundhu uNmai therindhadhum avan udanE ninaiththaan (Oh how stupid I have been):
  
  budhdhi kettadhadaa nenjai thottadhadaa
  naalum nadandhu mudindha pinnaal nalladhu kettadhu therindhadhadaa
  
  avan vaazhnaaL muzhuvadhum poRaamai-yai resist seydhu manadhilum seyalilum nallavatraiyE seydhu vandhaanE, avaiyellaam avan manadhil dheyvam vaLarvadhaRkkaaga pOtta viththukkaL. PoRaamai ennum mirugam viswaroopam eduththu nindra pOdhu, uNmai therindhu, enna madaththanam seyyavirundhEn endru avan ninaiththa pOdhu, andha instant-il (as JK says, you can even say that time was not involved here; it happened instantaneously) avanuL vaLarndhu vandha dheivam innum periya roopam eduththu poRaamai endra mirugaththai azhiththu saambalaakkiyadhu! He was free of jealousy for ever! This is what they call as God's Grace or as a spiritual experience, something that cannot be planned and executed via the mind process! I call this as the divine solution. As JK says, when there is a snake right in front of you ready to bite and you truly realize how deadly it is, what do you do? You immediately take action to get rid of it! This is what happened to him. IdhaRkku Kavinjar azhagaana uvamai kodukkiRaar paadalil. Soodaana oru sattiyai (compare this with the jealousy-animal which had taken a huge form) kaiyil pattadhum (he realizes the stupidity of following jealousy), by reflex action you drop it (he becomes free of jealousy instantaneously):
  
  satti suttadhadaa kai vittadhadaa
  
  Kavinjar follows this with beautiful lines that describe, in a nutshell, what happened in his mind from birth till now:
  
  paadhi manadhil dheivam irundhu paarththu koNdadhadaa
  meedhi manadhil mirugam irundhu aatti vaiththadhadaa
  aatti vaiththa mirugam indru adangi vittadhadaa
  amaidhi dheivam muzhu manadhil kOyil koNdadhadaa
  
  (Actually I would have preferred the word azhindhu instead of adangi.)
  
  aaravaarap pEygaLellaam Odi vittadhadaa
  aalayamaNi Osai nenjil koodivittadhadaa
  dharma dhEvan kOvililE oLi thulangudhadaa
  manam shaanthi shaanthi shaanthi endru Oyvu kaNdadhadaa
  
  (As said already, spiritual experiences such as this cannot be planned; the are god-given. So, avanuL irundha poRaamai azhindhadhu kadavuL avanukku koduththa pichchai; andha dheivaththai dharma dhEvan endru kavinjar solvadhu kuRippida thakkadhu.)
  
  Gnanam endra vaarththaikku Knowledge endru podhuvaaga naam translation solvadhuNdu; aanaal Gnanam innum aRpudhamaana ondru. Hindu philosophy-yil Gnannam is used to denote the the ultimate understanding of the Aathman that comes from a profound spiritual experience. Naayaganukku vandhadhu spiritual experience (yaanai) enbadhu uNmai; aanaal adhu vandhadhu avanuL irukkum poRaamai (eRumbu) endra mana nOyai kolla; avanukku muzhu Gnanaththai koduppadhaRkkaaga alla; after the experience he is not a realized soul or any such thing; it's just that he got rid of jealousy from the roots! Idhai kuRippida kavinjar thErndheduththa varigaL:
  
  eRumbu thOlai uriththup paarkka yaanai vandhadhadaa
  en idhaya thOlai uriththup paarkka gnanam vandhadhadaa
  
  Being so thrilled at the peace that has come in him, our naayakan further sings:
  
  piRakkum munnE irundha uLLam indru vandhadhadaa
  iRandha pinnE varum amaidhi vandhuvittadhadaa
  
  Summarizing, ip paadal sOhap paadal alla. In fact, it is sung by the character in great happiness, no, actually more, it is in esctacy! Paadalukku kavinjar Kannadhasan varaindha varigaL aRpudham. Saanthamaana tune pOttu, kadalin alaiyOsaiyum, aaravaarap pEygaL kaththuvadhaiyum, aalayamaNiyin Osaiyum sariyaana idangaLil izhaya vittu paadalai unnadhamaaga aakkivittanar mellisai mannargaL; paadalai nalla uNarchchiyudan paadi asaththivittaar TMS. Padaththil, Shivaji Ganesan-in nadippu konjam over endraalum (that was the fashion of those times) indha paadalil avar kaattum muga bhaavanaigaL pramaadham endrE sollavENdum. Overall, it is a beautiful song perfectly made for a wonderful situation.
  
  
• From: a.a. (@ 64.229.213.64) on: Tue Apr 29 23:12:40 EDT 2003
  
  Re: Vaanil Nilavume
  I have a cassette labelled AMR+Jikki duets which has this song. I never had any doubts before with regard to the singers. After reading all the postings casting doubts about who the singers were, I did listen to this song over and over from SOTD as well as from my cassette. It is definitely by AMR and Jikki.
  
  

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