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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 5: Nagaichchuvai Paadalgal

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Mon Aug 3 20:53:03 EDT 1998.
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For a good understanding of how to approach this ongoing symposium, please refer to the thread, "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1:Iyarkai Varnanai" before you post. Let me reiterate that this is not a patti mandram, but
a research symposium.
Please show TFM examples of both poets with regards to just their Nagaichchuvai Paadalgal for this thread. Please provide the name of the song whose lines you excerpt and the name of the movie if known. Here are the symposium categories, the bold topics are yet to be discussed:
1)Iyarkai Varnanai
2)Kaadhal Paadalgal
3)Thaththuva Paadalgal
4)Vaarthai Prayoagam
5)Nagaichchuvai Paadalgal
6)Samudhaaya Seerthirutha / Puratchi Paadalgal
7)Vingyaana/Naveena Karuthoottum Paadalgal
8)Ilakkiya Moolam Ulla Paadalgal
9)Kadhaikku Porundhiya Paadalgal(situational songs)
10)Kavidhai Milekarkal (Poetic Milestones that the poets will be remembered by!)

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Responses:

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• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Wed Aug 12 14:13:48 EDT 1998
  
  Prakash, I use the same argument for humor as I did for Vaarththai Prayoagam. As long as both poets have shown their stuff in these unquantifiable, subjective topics I can't rule any other way but a tie. You are welcome to give your judgement and as before, we will go by popular consensus.
  
  
• From: Ranga (@ 207.237.8.20) on: Thu Aug 13 12:22:28 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya,
  To do justice you should add one more thread as 11. Penaaththalaana paadalgaL.
  I understand that this is negative thinking. But consider this. Machine A produces 100 good products and 200 garbage. Machine B produces 50 good and 50 garbage. you can see machine A is more efficient than machine B as per quality is considered. Besides, in case of a tie this evaluation helps.
  There are many a song written just for rhymes and no reason. We should weed out these songs. what do you say guys?
  
  
• From: Pagalavan (@ bbn-cache-1.cisco.com) on: Thu Aug 13 18:38:15 EDT 1998
  
  My vote goes to kaviyarasar for this nagaichchuvaip pAdalgaL category. I agree with Udhaya that nagaichchuvai is a subjective feeling. I also believe, nagaichchuvai enbathu sirippathRkAga mattumalla, sindhikkavumthAn. From this view point, we can see kaviyarasar's songs stand apart (madras nalla madras - oru nalla uthAraNam). kaviyarasarin pAdalgaLil eLimaiyAna naiyANdi irukkum. VM-in pAdalgaLil kallOOrik kuRumbugaL athigam iruppathAgath therigiRathu, IMHO (thalaimuRai idaiveLiyinAlO?).
  
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Thu Aug 13 19:33:14 EDT 1998
  
  The votes so far:
  Udhaya: VM=Kannadhaasan, a tie.
  Prakash: Kannadhaasan
  Pagalavan: Kannadhaasan
  Reva: Kannadhaasan? (Please make it clear with a summation)
  
  I don't want to leave this around for another week. But let's see if another five or six individuals respond here.
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ central.mpl.org) on: Sat Aug 15 12:59:37 EDT 1998
  
  Based on the responses in this thread, I'd vote for KD. Somehow, IMO, VM's facility with words while describing nature and love doesn't seem to extend to humor. Like Pagalavan said, his humor seems more of the "kallOOri galAAttA" type (though this may be due to a new generation of film-goers). KD's humor seems more embracing of a larger social context. So chalk me down for KD on this subject.
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate1.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Mon Aug 17 13:05:28 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya,
  
  My arrguments for choosing Kannadhasan is better than VM.
  
  KaNNadhasan never wrote "Abaasam" in the name of "N-aagai Suvai". It may be too harsh.. but it is the fact.
  
  VM:-
  in the song kokku saiva kokku... he mentioned
  N-aLLaikku 3 murai .......... serndhu vidu
  .....
  N-aLLaikku 12 times 'I Love you','I Love You ' N-ee sollu
  ....
  un PONdatti kalai suththi kidappa
  
  then another song From Bhadsha
  style-u style-u than ... line goes
  7 maNikku meLa N-eeyum inba Lakshumi...
  
  Another song from PD & Roja starer I forgot the moive Name also the song... which so vulgur.
  
  KaNNadhasanO, N-agai suvai padalai ezhthuthi andha padalai TFM sarithirathil idam perum saga varam pettra paadalai ezhuthi irukkirar.
  
  Paadal
  aththikkai, kaai, allangai vENNilavE...
  indha paadalai Sivaji than Jodiyudal kiNdal saidhu arabippar, adhai thodarndhu K.Balajeeyum pala seshtaigaL saivar. MiLagaiyai vaiyil pottu kONdu ULLamellam mILagaiyO.... endra varikku seshtaigaL saivar. Indha padalai yaarum N-aagai suvaip paadalaga eduththu koLLavE illai.En endral indha paadalin vaarthai priyogathin sirappu adhu. adhai oru "Master Piece" endru N-aam ellorumE karudhukirom.
  
  EnAvE VM-in meedu en kadum thakkuthalai (!!!!) mun N-iruththi KaNNadhasan N-agaisuvaiyil VM-ai vida miLirindhu N-irkirar endru koori en uraiyai MudikkirEn..
  
  Sorry idhil Patti Mandram pOl pEsak kUdaathu endruthan irundhEn. Mudiya villai.
  
  
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• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate7.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Mon Aug 17 13:10:02 EDT 1998
  
  Correction... thappu thappa ezhuthi irukkEn... appuram KaNNadhasan Kobichchupaar...:):):)
  
  The Line
  KaNNadhasanO, N-agai suvai padalai ezhthuthi andha padalai TFM sarithirathil idam perum saga varam pettra paadalai ezhuthi irukkirar.
  
  Should Be
  
  KaNNadhasanO,oru N-agaich suvai paadalai ezhuthi irukkiraar. andha paadalai TFM sarithirathil idam perum saaga varam pettra paadalaaga ezhuthi irukkirar.
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon Aug 17 14:58:11 EDT 1998
  
  Prakash, your views are duly noted. Athikkai is an awesome song, but one thing it doen't do is make me laugh or even smile. It just isn't a Nagaichchuvai Song in my opinion.
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate1.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Mon Aug 17 17:15:38 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya,
  
  As a song it may not be N-agaichchuvai Song. If you watch the movie you will enjoy the
  N-agaichchuvai in that.
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate2.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Mon Aug 17 17:19:03 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya,
  
  As a song it may not be N-agaichchuvai Song. If you watch the movie you will enjoy the
  N-agaichchuvai in that. Ofcourse it is not just a N-agaichchuvai Song. Kamal style-a sollaNumna...
  adhayum thaaNdi pudhumaiyaanadhu....
  echo....
  pudhumaiyaanadhu....
  pudhumaiyaanadhu....
  :):):)
  indha pattula a, aa, e, ee ellam vEra solli kudupaar KaNNadhasan.!!!!:):)
  
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Wed Aug 19 13:19:23 EDT 1998
  
  Looks like it's 4 to 1 for Kannadhaasan. So Kannadhaasan is realized here as a better writer of "Nagaichchuvai Paadalgal."
  
  
• From: Thamizh Alex (@ ) on: Fri Oct 6 00:49:07 EDT 2000
  
  Mr. Udhaya,
  Please Don¡¯t Vote VM=Kannadaasan. So that u r miss leading the future tamizh generation.
  Because they will think that whatever VM is writing is poem and it is best. Please don¡¯t miss lead my loved thamizhar.
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.150.58) on: Fri Oct 6 01:24:15 EDT 2000
  
  karuveppilaik kothaium kallich chediyaium opidatheum.
  Kannathaasanuku mnnum pinnum yaarum ithuvarai illai. Pattukkootai irundthaar. Vithi vizungki vittathu. Kannathasanukup piraku inimel thaan yaarovathu varavendum. Kandipaaka varuvaarkal. Aanal VM-i poi neengkal kavingar enrellam cholli avaruku pularika vaithuvidatheerkal. Etho therinjcha naalu chorkalai maathip pootu vayiru vallarkirar. Paavam vittu vidungkal. Iru veru kaala katangkalaich cherndthavarkalai opiduvathu muraiyalla.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 63.89.188.114) on: Fri Oct 6 15:52:29 EDT 2000
  
  Thamizh Alex, G.Raghavan,
  
  If you want to comment on a 10-part symposium, at least browse through half of them to understand the nature of the project before weighing in with your off-the-cuff responses. If there's a comparable attribute between two people in the same field, comparing them is very sensible and doing so objectively reveals many truths. If you care to realize the nature of the project, you would realize the serious work that went into it. This is nothing short of a research project.
  
  Thamizh is too vast and rich to be exhausted by a Kannadhaasan or a Vairamuthu. To feel that Kannadhaasan is the only one to write good Thamizh doesn't necessarily exalt Kannadhaasan; it only denigrates Thamizh. If you sincerely love Thamizh, then you would welcome a healthy scrutiny of lyrics regardless of who wrote it.
  
  It's becomning increasingly apparent to me over the years that most Indians only seek to read opinions that reiterate their existing feelings. The art of discourse, of entertaining the opposite point of view is becoming extinct.
  
  

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