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Titles Given To MDs

Topic started by WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on Wed Mar 13 08:36:13 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I'd like to discuss about (and get more info on) the titles that are conferred to various MDs.
eg. Maestro, Isai Gnani, Isai Puyal, etc etc.
What titles do all the significant MDs of tfm have? Who gives them these titles? What do they mean in the career of these MDs? How far do the MDs go in acknowledging (and using) these titles and accepting them, and how much of these are used for merely marketing?
And finally the issue I'm rather interested in. How far are these titles used by the fans of these MDs and what this usage signifies.
Of course this topic can also be extended for singers as well as other artistes. However, my first priority is to discuss about the MDs' titles.

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• From: sarat (@ 67.34.132.86) on: Sat Mar 30 18:12:40 EST 2002
  
  Big B is the only one that I could think of in bollwood
  
  
• From: sarat (@ 67.34.132.86) on: Sat Mar 30 18:12:48 EST 2002
  
  Big B is the only one that I could think of in bollywood
  
  
• From: arun_uk (@ 213.121.212.121) on: Sat Mar 30 19:50:07 EST 2002
  
  Naaz
  
  Thanks a lot. I get your point.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sat Mar 30 20:49:12 EST 2002
  
  s0 - you are right in observing that "idolatry" is not confined or restricted to TN. But TN is also the only place where I have seen MDs (replacing actors - or looming larger than the actors) in film posters and cut-outs (a few film directors have also had such towering visibility.) I guess TFM "idolatry" arises from a combination of awe, glamour and oneupmanship - hence the adjectival bar in titles gets raised higher and higher (in an effort to occupy "first" status in they eyes of the artiste/individual being "idolised"). A kind of perverse (and jejune) quid pro quo in TF/M country.
  
  
• From: AVR (@ 203.197.81.145) on: Sat Mar 30 21:17:59 EST 2002
  
  I have been to chennai only once...i was amused to see huge (and indeed beautiful) cutouts of Karunanidhi and Jayalalitha all over the streets with all sorts of lavish titles given to them. was this an exception or is this a trend. If it is a trend, it is sad to see a group of people who have produced Indias best ever scientists, musicians, economists etc etc, to indulge in such kind of IDOLATRY. I have always regarded Tamils to be an extremely intelligent and creative groups of people. So many tamils have been pioneers in so many fields. And yet,all this perplexes me!
  
  
• From: s0 (@ 128.119.85.50) on: Sat Mar 30 21:26:57 EST 2002
  
  we are the only state (in the world?) where every MLA/MP regardless of age/stature falls at Amma's feet.
  
  
• From: Neel D (@ 24.98.41.115) on: Sat Mar 30 21:33:12 EST 2002
  
  :-)),
  
  The thread is about MDs. nAlu pEr will express nAlu opinion and nAlu MDs' heads may roll. My point was why drag VJ unnecessarily into this. VJ is indeed doing her duty. She has her own studio and she still records devotional albums.
  
  I thought you and isaiosai were two different people. AmAm, ippadi edhukkeduththaalum kOvichukkondu thread-ai vittu pOnAl enna arththam. Am I so terrible :-)
  
  Sorry for the digression. Back to MDs.
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.189) on: Sat Mar 30 22:02:34 EST 2002
  
  Ur right s0....
  Our current CM, has gone into The Guiness book for doing max push ups (@amma's feet, of course!!) ;)
  
  btw, about enjoying my vacations..
  thanx a lot.. u r the only 1 who's not veratified me to study!! :)
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.189) on: Sat Mar 30 22:03:13 EST 2002
  
  and yes...
  back to the titles!
  
  
• From: (@ 166.44.185.141) on: Sat Mar 30 22:31:56 EST 2002
  
  Neel D,
  /--Am I so terrible :-)--\
  it was never u:-) leaving the threads is true (for good) but getting angry is not:-) my tone depends on how the other comes across...
  
  
• From: (@ 166.44.185.146) on: Sun Mar 31 05:33:16 EST 2002
  
  Neel D,
  /--The thread is about MDs...My point was why drag VJ unnecessarily into this.--\
  (not to rub u on the wrong side but) u r wrong when u say so as this thread is not only abt MDs but clearly says "...can also be extended for singers...". LM and other names quoted here by others are not MDs. moreover, VJ is also a mortal with defects. so, ignore if 1 head out of those 4 heads is VJ's (remaining 3 would anyway be IR's, at least, in this thread):-)
  (probably some of u will get convinced about this only when all those MDs come out with explicit and convincing explanations as to why they did not use her as their primary singer:-) now don't pick on me for using words like "give" instead of "confer" and "use" instead of "utilize" ok!)
  
  
• From: AVR (@ 203.199.130.13) on: Sun Mar 31 09:48:15 EST 2002
  
  probably some of u will get convinced about this only when all those MDs come out with explicit and convincing explanations as to why they did not use her as their primary singer:-)
  
  BTW I knew you are isaiosai even before Neel mentioned it. Ah u r saying this to tease Vani fans are you. U have the right to do :-)
  
  How about those MDs who worked with Vani consistently - K V Mahadevan, Vijaybhaskar, Shankar Ganesh, Chandrabose and M S Viswanathan? How is it that every time a challenging composition like aanathineeyara, or ezhu swarangalukkul, or brochevarevarura, or ennuil engO, or neen kettal, is created, its Vani all the way? Remember its your own darling Ilayaraja (sometimes I wonder if I should mention all those titles before his name :-)) who gave Kavidhai Kelungal to Vani Jairam, though the other songs were given to other singers. And this one is indeed the MOST CHALLENGING song in Punnagai Mannan. if she could have done justice to this one, sure she could have done justice to many of his simpler compositions. No???
  
  >>>VJ is also a mortal with defects<<<
  
  Sure VJ is a mortal, though a genius. Anyway, it would be immensely stimulating if you can explain 1)what defects you find in her singing.
  2)examples of her "arrogance" if any (i am sure neither of these is gonna be easy :-))
  
  There is no harm in pointing out defects WITH SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF SONGS wherein you find them (you could do this on this thread, or the VJ thread or you may open another thread for that). But make sure you do post in proper examples and tell us what you meant. I had read your long post to Naaz much earlier on the VJ thread - wherein you had spoken of mistakes in her singing. I had wanted to ask you to elaborate on those at that time itself, but I forgot :-(( Could you please do it now?
  
  Thanks and NOM whatsoever!
  
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 166.44.185.202) on: Sun Mar 31 14:26:10 EST 2002
  
  AVR,
  u r making me speak about VJ once again, althou I didn?t want to:-)
  
  /--How about those MDs who worked with Vani consistently--\
  No MD used her as his "primary" singer, at least (for ur sake), certainly, not for long. MSV, KVM used her mostly during late 70s and for some songs during 80s (allow for some exceptions ok!). VB did use her but both quality and quantity-wise it is KVM, MSV and IR (and now, even ARR) that really matter to TFM (and TelFM that?s closer to us...not to belittle or negate other MDs here). For MSV and KVM it was always PS, for IR it was SJ (and UR for some real good songs). Agreed these MDs have given her some real good songs but u know the more significant role of PS and SJ in their careers, right! Don't mistake me to mean that VJ is bad.
  
  And singing the "most challenging" need not mean that justice could be done to (seemingly) "simpler" compositions. The subtle sogam (sadness) that KSC brings to "EdhEdho" in Punnagai Mannan is not very easy to emote and not all singers can do it. I read somewhere that SPB said it would be impossible for him to repeat "Enna saththam", another "seemingly" simpler melody in a low pitch. This is when the importance of selecting the right singer for a song (and the time, mood etc., resulting in a magic:-)) comes into play. Of course, all MDs cannot do this all the time (especially, in this field, moreso, IR , doing about almost a movie a week during his peak) due to various other reasons/constraints/excuses (like non-availability of singer, their own time constraints, work-relationship and other preferences/ obligations, both genuine and otherwise). I personally feel KSC did a very good job of that song which VJ could not have done. You may want to think otherwise and that is fine with me. But realize that not all songs go well with VJ. That in itself could be a drawback and this is applicable to all singers.
  
  Regd. VJ's defects/shortcomings: as I said in that VJ thread, if u r a keen listener and can really understand, u can make it out. That is the best way u and ardent fans of hers can ever get convinced. So, it is up to u.
  
  Regd. IR's titles: Read my earlier posts. I repeat, forget his titles. He doesn't seem to care about his name being (mis)spelt. He is not too image conscious. Take it that way. All those are a "mouthful of ego" (as ur pal said), not for him (definitely not "mouthful":)), but for all of us here.
  
  I'm not sure if u would find these not so musical blabbering of mine of any use to u, but then, I have my own limitations. Moreover, I'm tired of all these explanations (add to this the fear of being misunderstood at the end of all this:)) I just came back bcos I didn't want ur goody-good innocent pal Neel D (:)) to think that he is "terrible" bcos of me and seem to have ended up making some uneasy comments for u.
  
  (anyway, I'm Odi Odi away from this thread...for good:-))
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sun Mar 31 15:38:12 EST 2002
  
  Isaiosai - How have you contributed to the issues of this thread...Titles/Meaning/Significance/Identity - have you even thought of these things - outside the IR adulation that permeates your posts??
  
  IR was used in this thread as an EXAMPLE - to elucidate/and analyse the "excess" of the titles conferred on him by his fans/admirers. Hence, IR is merely incidental - it could have been MSV, KVM, ARR, or Deva - if they also had a list of titles. It has nothing to do with dissrespecting IRs greatness and genius.
  
  A list of titles before ones name - no matter how great or eminent one is - has every potential of being construed as a "mouthful of ego." It could be a Deva or an MSV or whoever. The titles and their usage are the point of this discussion. Not the MDs or their personalities.
  
  Whether you stay in this thread or leave is entirely your decision. But if you do decide to stay (I personally think that you should, for what does not engaging with the issues fully and running of really accomplish??) then please do me a favour: If you don't like my posts - say so - and do me the nominal favour of addressing me by my name.
  
  My best to you.
  
  
• From: s0 (@ 128.119.85.50) on: Wed Apr 3 08:46:48 EST 2002
  
  http://www.hinduonnet.com/stories/2002040302900400.htm
  
  this is appropriate to this thread.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Apr 3 09:17:07 EST 2002
  
  s0 - thanks for the link. It just proves how these "titles" and their deployment can get way out of hand. The article is exhibit A !
  
  

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