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TFM MD'S musical approach and recording technqs

Topic started by UV (@ 138.88.107.150) on Sun Feb 3 14:58:08 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Here we will discuss constructively about the various trends in compsoing,recording techniqs,methods that existed,adopted,tried and being introduced by all our MDS with major focus IR nd ARR followed by others.
Hopefully those who read the postings will get an idea about Music making and thats its an art of the highest creativity of human mind.
And not mere digital gadgetry or synth music

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• From: Srikanth (@ 216.65.106.130) on: Mon Feb 4 10:51:54 EST 2002
  
  Sam, that was really cool example. Thanks.
  The Fretless in this song really glides so well.
  
  Regarding Arrs tabla usage, as sam mentioned check the tabla parts in Mudalvane song from mudalvan, especially in the saranam (paLI vasal thirandu lines), very very creative table work.
  Who ever played it has done a great job.
  Btw:does any one understand the chorus in this song?, I tried to get the lines..but very hard to understand.
  
  Kiru, by equalizing i did not mean adjusting with an Equalizer, the sound he chooses often fall in those frequency naturally.
  Secondly on Digital Sibilence, digital recording does have not anything to do with this. It can be easily controlled by using an effect or gadget call Desser. This reduces this or elimates this in recording.
  
  Talking of IRs recording, his best i have heard so far is Amma vandhain tha sigakutti. This is multi track recording, very much advanced for its time period. Like they must have recorded 4 tracks at a time and mixed them finally. However, i dont know about this, some one close to IR can check this out. Basically During IRs time recording engineers used what was there with them, they did not experiment with it like what is now today. Also gadgets are very userfriendly these days.
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Mon Feb 4 13:33:52 EST 2002
  
  reposting from the other thread:
  
  IR composes the tune, then adds the orchestration. no srikanth. ir first composes tune (consider it to be first-hand information :-) ).
  
  sam: most vINai sounds you hear in film songs is guitar with appropriate sound effects (chorus and reverb tweaked properly).
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 216.65.106.130) on: Mon Feb 4 13:59:02 EST 2002
  
  Kiru, sample usage started when a sampler was out. During IR period yes it was available even during aboorava sogodharagal period, however it was put to proper use only aftert 1995 as sample cds started to flood the market.
  Also using samples is not just loops. It can be also a Single hit sample, mutli sample etc.
  Loops are basically a contruction or repetions of a musical phrase using a sampler. Samplers were also used for pitch correction.
  A regular keyboard contains static samples it is a wav table. But in sampler it is more open you can add/remove sound based on your requirement
  
  hihi,
  theory on guitar tweaked to sound like veena might be true for stage shows. However in recordings it is mostly original veena, infact most veena sounds arr used are from original veena. Reverb basically creates an ambience, chorus doubles a sound - I am wondering how does it create veena texture. can you get us the reverb or chorus settings to get this ?
  Will be useful to many.
  
  btw: Ir first composes tune, it depends. i still have my reservations on this :):).
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 208.61.227.242) on: Mon Feb 4 14:29:33 EST 2002
  
  hihi:-) What other "first hand information" do you have, say it here :-)
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Mon Feb 4 14:47:58 EST 2002
  
  What other "first hand information" do you have, say it here :-) :-)) :-))))
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.202.17) on: Mon Feb 4 15:50:13 EST 2002
  
  hihi ,Srikanth
  about the 'Endhan Nenjil' song ,hihi says its still in the beat to me its onu thalli doesnt sit on the samam the song started on the samam till pallavi everything fine then after that when the first interlude start how to say the drum beat there is a gap when drum hits it goes off by one.
  When the keyboard play 'Tada tada ta' .../gap/misses samam and then plays dum(drum)
  I think whoever programmed the rthym box didnt do it properly
  hope i explained it correctly or may be i am still wrong but my ears says otherwise ;)
  Srikanth or Swami help me here
  
  
• From: Mesmer (@ 172.188.247.98) on: Mon Feb 4 16:40:50 EST 2002
  
  can someone explain the musical approach and recording techs of the song - 'megham kottatum aatum undu'?. i came across this song. Can someone anyone know similar songs in TFM?
  
  
• From: Isai Priyan (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Mon Feb 4 17:08:18 EST 2002
  
  Can somebody explain what is a counterpoint, in a common man terminology?.I recently came across a few comments by Guitar Prasanna on some of his fav.picks on IR.In that he says the usage of voice counterpoint in the song "Poon thalir ada.." is at a very high level and says will discuss it in a seperate essay.
  Thanx in advance
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 132.235.18.15) on: Mon Feb 4 17:44:28 EST 2002
  
  hihi, the reason I asked whether it is a guitar or a veena is, if it were the same guitar, then it wud be kinda interesting to play it alternately like a guitar and a veena. Like first couple of notes as in guitar, next couple of notes as in veena and so on.
  
  UV, and others, did u guys listen to Priyatama song from the telugu movie Jagadeka Veerudu Athiloka sundari? In the second interlude in that song, right before the tabla starts, I seem to feel an extra beat there, like the song is in 6/8 but at the point i mentioned u cud feel an extra beat (not 6 counts but 7 counts). Cud someone verify it please? (Are we talkin about the same somg? I am not good at tamil names).
  
  Kiru, for me and most of my friends, classic rock includes bands like GNR, Aerosmith and like. Thats why I said about 80s. Neways, GNR rocks :-)
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.202.17) on: Mon Feb 4 17:46:45 EST 2002
  
  Counter point musically speaking is
  The combination of two or more melodic lines played against one another. A horizontal structure built upon competing melodic lines, rather than a chordalsetting.
  
  For example when there is a guitar playing the flute or piano or even another guitar can be playing the counter points for the melody played by the other instruments
  
  In IRs music for eg take the song 'Poondhali Ada'
  in the very opening for every guitar note is reciprocated by piano/organ and then they interlay with each other guitar first followd by piano.
  
  Geez its difficult explaining in understandable terms once again Srikanth or Swamiji will better qualified to explaing these
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Mon Feb 4 21:56:36 EST 2002
  
  Srikanth..I was referring to the rhythm/groove loops.
  Counterpoints is another melody line playing in parallely/concurrently but against the main melody (not strictly in harmony, but ultimately in harmony :)). Just trying to help UV :)
  
  (Sam :))
  
  
• From: Mesmer (@ 172.188.247.98) on: Mon Feb 4 22:40:19 EST 2002
  
  hey guys,
  
  if 'megham kottatum aatum undu' is not a sond worthy of this thread please let me now so that i go else where to find my answer.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 151.201.225.222) on: Mon Feb 4 22:47:31 EST 2002
  
  UV, I will check it and let you know.
  also guys check "masimasam al ana poonu", when the saranam ends KJY hums (lala lala...) the beat cycle has some more bars to go but saranam ends little bit early. I like to know what beat cycle it is, something is different in this song.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.161) on: Tue Feb 5 01:27:09 EST 2002
  
  Digression :
  
  IMO GNR was just a populist band for "wannabes" surrounded by lots of hype...Def Leppard was much better with their own unique style and sound...
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 151.201.225.222) on: Tue Feb 5 18:31:25 EST 2002
  
  arul you need to get info on guitar settings to make it sound like veena.
  
  btw: what is the music style used in the mudalvan title score. ?
  
  is this thread still alive ?
  :)
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 132.235.18.15) on: Tue Feb 5 18:54:43 EST 2002
  
  Srikanth, I have a question for u, in the song Oru Thuli from En Swase Katre, u hear a synth sound being played in the same fashion as a flute. I wud be thinking its a flute, except for its sound. (In the pallavi after the first charanam), when the singer is about to start singing Oho ...., this instrument starts, and keeps on going for that oho oho part. We can hear it again in the end, it kinda ends the song. My question is, how do we get this on the keyboard, I mean the how do we play it on the keyboard like a flute? Is there a technique to do so? U can hear this sound and style opening the 1st interlude for Roja roja song in Kadhalar Dhinam.
  
  
  Cosmician, me disagree with u abt GNR :-).
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Tue Feb 5 19:48:59 EST 2002
  
  arul you need to get info on guitar settings to make it sound like veena. i will try. all my things (my books/notes/...) are still in stl. once i get them here i will get back.
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Tue Feb 5 19:54:44 EST 2002
  
  what is the music style used in the mudalvan title score. i this this was a general question. if it was directed to me: sorry, haven't seen the movie. (moreover, the only thing related to mudhalvan i remember right now is the song kuRukku chiRuththavaLE; what's the other song in rIthigowLa?)
  
  mesmer: do you have any specific question or do you need an autopsy of the song? (in both cases, i will not be of much help :-) )
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 151.201.225.222) on: Tue Feb 5 20:50:57 EST 2002
  
  Sam, this "timbre" can be from a keyboards sample (my guess korg:), (cultured sin wav, can be called as Hiphop lead sound), (or he might have sampled a flute) however an effect called portomento is added to this timbre. Portomento glides a sound little more than pitch bend, and one more important aspect I hear in this timbre is it is a monophonic timbre, only one note at a time.
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 132.235.18.132) on: Tue Feb 5 22:02:54 EST 2002
  
  Srikanth, thanks, I have some more questions on these timbres. One is from the Thiruda Thiruda theme music, theres a scratchy sound in some of the places. How do we do it? Second one is the voice-sax combo in Smayiyay first interlude (KK). And do u think two guitars were used for the opening phrases for the KK title song? Cos I seem to hear another guitar in my right ear, playing a harmony, though a bit feebly.
  
  Another question is related to recording. In most of rahman's songs I hear the song being echoed, as if being sung a second time., eg-yenna solla pogirai from KK. Can u tell me how they do it?
  
  Thanks for ur time.
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 203.199.207.198) on: Tue Feb 5 22:55:51 EST 2002
  
  hihi:-)
  the song in reethigowlai from mudhalvan is "azhagana rakshasiyey,adi nenjil"..
  
  

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