Raga of song please
Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.
The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 S R1 R2 R3 G3 M1 M2 P D1 D2 D3 N3 G1 G2 N1 N2
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- From: Ram (@ 134.121.79.165)
on: Tue Apr 16 03:27:59 EDT 2002
IR_fan that GUNA song is another song like the Kakkai siraginile song where you could see both SM and MMG(neengathan point pannineenga rtomba naal munnadi)...athe maathiri this song also reminds both the ragas...thirumba enakkaga kaettu paarthu sollunga....Sindhuja nejamave naan padikka poitten....shud get back to work agai:-(
so I will c u guys soon.
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Tue Apr 16 04:21:24 EDT 2002
Sindhuja, I did find usage of Ma1 in the song (sparce in one or two lines). But no Ni3. Kaettu Paarthuttu unga opinion sollunga.
And regarding ‘Nenjil Jil Jil’ is it Kanada + Kaapi? That is what I feel.
And Ram, may be u r right abt two feels in the GUNA song. Aana MMG scale dhaan theriyudhu song full’la.
Anyone here to guess the raga for ‘raajadhi raja un thandhirangal, nikkaaamal koothaadum bambarangal” from the film Mannan? [MS, Konjam Read Only Mode'lerndhu velia vaanga, atleast temporarily]
- From: Prabhu (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Tue Apr 16 04:37:51 EDT 2002
Experts Please Clarify:
Is the song "Vaalavaikum Kaadhaluku jay" from the movie Apporva Sagodharargal based on AnandaBhairavi???
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.136)
on: Tue Apr 16 05:21:52 EDT 2002
IR fan,shall listen to that song and let u know.
nenjil:that's what even I felt(see my earlier post abt. it)but what abt. the charanams?Doesn't it vaguely resemble hamsaanandi?
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Tue Apr 16 05:33:32 EDT 2002
hmm, i don't think so Sindhuja.
- From: satsona (@ )
on: Tue Apr 16 06:35:44 EDT 2002
can u pls list out the film songs(tamil) to differentiate the foll. raagas, since these have similar Aarohanam but different Avarohanams, and the parent raagas are quite different.
Arabhi
Saama
Suddhasaaveri
Devagandhaari
Naaraayani
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Tue Apr 16 07:22:39 EDT 2002
satsona,
arabhi
a)yerikaraiyin mele poravale penmayile(?)
b)Kadhal mayakkam azaghiya kangal thudikkum
c)Aasai Kiliye - Thambikku Entha Ooru
c)Madhurai Vaazhum - Pudhupatti Ponnuthayee
d)Sandhakavigal Paadidum Mananthil - Metti
Saama
a) Naan paadikonde iruppen (vani jayaram, the film is sirai i guess)
b)mounathil vilaiyaadum manasaatchiye balamuralikrishna)
Suddhasaaveri – so many….
a)Manamagale Manamagale (Dhevar Magan),
b)Kovil Mani Osai - Kizhakae Pogum Rail
c)Malargalil Aadum - Kalyana Raman
d)Maanada Thenaada - Mudhal Vasantham
e)Kaadhal Mayakam - Pudhumai Penn
f)Radha Radha - Meendum Kokila
g)Nin Arul Tharum Annapurani - Aathma
h)Sithagathi Pookkale - Rajakumaran
i)Raadhe En Raadhe - Japaanil Kalyaanaraaman
- From: Vidhya (@ 12.148.251.114)
on: Tue Apr 16 11:25:49 EDT 2002
IR-fan: "kadhal mayakkam" is listed twice.
satsona: Here is a carnatic compositions list.
http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Stage/2225/articles/compositions.txt
- From: lilacair (@ 4.43.238.210)
on: Tue Apr 16 21:28:50 EDT 2002
SaSaSa SaSaSa SaSaSa-RiGaaaRi...
Also,"sorga ulagam..":SaRiNiSaGa... So,I wud say it is Abheri
what does sasasa mean?
Yes mabe a crazy question but i want to know
- From: Prabhu (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Wed Apr 17 00:41:57 EDT 2002
Experts (IR,sinduja,Ram....) Please Clarify:
Is the song "Vaalavaikum Kaadhaluku jay" from the movie Apporva Sagodharargal based on AnandaBhairavi???
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.26.234)
on: Wed Apr 17 01:01:21 EDT 2002
Prabhu,
thayavu senju enna expert listla serkaathenga.....I think it is some janya of karaharapriya....Aanandha Bairavi maathiri thonalai....but most of the time naan ularuven...so let's wait and see what others have gotto say....unga pakkathu cabin la irukkara IR_fan kitta kaettu paarungalen:-)
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Wed Apr 17 01:36:04 EDT 2002
Vidhya -
No harm is saying sudhasaveri is limited or truncated Arabhi ;-). Jokes apart, I guess the pallavi & charanams of ‘kaadhal mayakkam’ are in sudhasaveri but watch the interlude BGMs. Best to call it Arabhi IMHO.
Sindhuja -
Kaiyya kodunga...kalakareenga :-). On second thoughts abt hamsanandhi in ‘Nenjil’, I guess the charanam does have Ma2 Dha2 Ni3 (though with Ma1 too, for the first line of charanam?). So the song is kaapi + kanada+ hamsanandhi. Have we got this right atlast? I trust so :-).
Ram -
Good point abt “appanendrum ammaiyendrum” of Guna. It is simmendramadhyamam. Sorry for confusing you saying it was MMG. I made the mistake of starting the song with Ga, which will lead u to MMG protocol. After reading ur post abt the similar problem we had in ‘kakai chiraginile’ song, I tried the song yesterday. Simmendramadhyamam is what the song is, IMHO. Thanks for pointing this.
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Wed Apr 17 02:05:39 EDT 2002
intha raga thread kku vantha vudane poovodu(IR,IR_fan,Sinduja,Anu) serntha naarum manakkuthu
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Wed Apr 17 02:06:33 EDT 2002
That message was for IR-fan and the naar is supposed to be Ram
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Wed Apr 17 02:14:41 EDT 2002
:-) Ram
- From: satsona (@ 203.199.192.162)
on: Wed Apr 17 02:45:15 EDT 2002
IR_Fan: thanx for the info on the songs for the raagas. haven't heard some of the songs...will do it and know the difference b/w the raagas:)
any info on the other 2 u missed out : Devagandhari and Narayani
naan unga website paarkka mudiyavillai. pona janmathla punyam seiyallannu nannakiren;-)
clicking the link displays error always. don't know why.
such forums give a superb chance to learn from the Gurus, without having seen the Gurus:)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.75)
on: Wed Apr 17 03:14:48 EDT 2002
IR_fans what do ut hink abt Abhoorva sagotharargal song(Prabhu's query)
- From: satsona (@ 203.199.192.162)
on: Wed Apr 17 03:18:09 EDT 2002
what is the raaga of the foll. songs
Moondrezhuthu(PP)
Rangeela instrumental music
So Gayaa ye jahaan(Tezaab)
yen Uyire(Uyire)
it is not MMG, doesn't seem to be Sindhu bhairavi too, IMHO.
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Wed Apr 17 03:31:24 EDT 2002
Satsona -
I will mail u the web-pages or atleast the database in excel format.
Regarding Narayani, I dunno abt film songs.
Now for devagandhari…I am under the impression that abheri/bhimplasi and carnataka devagandhari all mean the same. (There are views abt Nishadham difference in Devagandhari, but generally people say it all denotes the same raga.) Assuming that it is abheri, there are many songs.
a) Varai nee varai (mandhirikumari?),
b) singara velane deva
c) kannodu kanbadhellam thalaiva,
d) sikkaadha sittonnu kaiyil vandha (sedhu)…[IR, kovichukkaadhennga ;-). I know u said it is best to call it Sudhadhanyasi, but going by swara usage, i am taking the liberty here]
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134)
on: Wed Apr 17 03:46:16 EDT 2002
aaeei IR_Fan aenna ROM-la (read only mode-la) irundhu izhukka muyarchchiyaa? nadakkaadhu...
avanillai varamaattaan nambadhae
BTW
intha raga thread kku vantha vudane poovodu(IR,IR_fan,Sinduja,Anu) serntha naarum manakkuthu
Poovoda saerndha naaru manakkudhu aana pakkaththila irukkara indha plastic bag (me) thaan manakka maattaengudhu. aenna irundhaalum sattiyila irukkaradhu thaanae agappayilla varum :-( as well as :-)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.75)
on: Wed Apr 17 03:47:03 EDT 2002
IR_Fan...Devagandari is different from Carnataca Devagandari....Deva Gandari is more like Aarabhi(Remember in film SIndu bairavi the driver and the owner has a bet for "Yerikarai mela"...the driver sayd it is Aarabhi")...they are close ragas....I haven't come across ne cine song in DG....but Kseera Saagara sayana(All time KJY hit) is a good DG.
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Wed Apr 17 04:19:19 EDT 2002
:-)))Kupps
And Ram, i didn't know devagandhari is diff from carnataka devagandhari.Thanks for the info.
- From: satsona (@ 203.199.192.162)
on: Wed Apr 17 04:23:50 EDT 2002
ram: u have said exactly what i wanted to say. i had this query about Devagandhari after seeing the same situation in this film(SB):-)
IR_Fan: yeah, i meant this Devagandhari...bcos it is quite tough to find the difference when compared to Aarabhi
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Wed Apr 17 13:49:32 EDT 2002
IR,Anu...enga poneenga aalaiye kanom?
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.235)
on: Wed Apr 17 14:28:17 EDT 2002
Ram - kuduththa kaasukku romba velai vaangaraanga :-( naanum ROM for a while :)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Wed Apr 17 16:45:45 EDT 2002
IR,
appo appo vanthu poi kittu irunga....hope to see u back in full fledged form pretty soon...
- From: IR (@ 4.64.205.10)
on: Wed Apr 17 18:28:21 EDT 2002
:) Ram sure - appo vandhu paeththuven :-)
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.26.234)
on: Wed Apr 17 20:00:47 EDT 2002
IR unga manasula enna "THANNADAKKA THILAGAM" nu nenaippa?
- From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170)
on: Wed Apr 17 21:45:43 EDT 2002
Need to know the ragas of the following songs.
1. raja rani jocky ( netrikkan ) [a beautiful flute interlude in this songs resembles - flute interlude in 'thee thee' from thiruda thiruda]
2. mappillaikku maman manasu ( " )
3. azhagil azhagu ( raja parvai )
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.26.234)
on: Wed Apr 17 22:03:37 EDT 2002
Haris
Mappilaikku maman manasu is Agmark Kharaharapriya
IR_Fan "Ponnil vaanam pottathu kolangale" sounds more like Kharaharapriya(some traces of sriranjani)...but u have listed it as Khamas...as usual thayavu koornthu meendum oru murai check seithu engalukku therivithu arulavum
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