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TMS&P.SUSEELA VS SPB&S.JANAKI

Topic started by muscat sunder (@ 202.144.64.4) on Sat Oct 14 08:52:44 EDT 2000.
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I certainly think and feel that TMS& P.SUSEELA,jodi which really dominated the tamil film music in the 60"s and 70"s is the BEST duet pair we ever had.Even IR"S favourite SPB,S.JANAKI jodi is no where near to them.

Muscat Sunder.

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• From: kalai (@ 202.9.150.133) on: Thu Nov 8 20:37:44 EST 2001
  
  vijay (@ 203.200.15.20)
  "Azhagu malaraada" song from vaidhegi kaathirunthaal-ethanai unarchigal
  "putham puthu kaalai" song from alaigal oyivathillai-evvalavu freshness
  I can give equalent or better songs of PS.
  " nalanthhana -vai vidava oru unarchi mikka song?
  "Chithariya chalangagai pole " entu ithai pol oru paadal kalaikoil( meenda sorgam?!) padathilye vanthu vittathu.
  " Malagal nanainthana paniyale" from from ithaya kamalam is is definitely better than "putham puthu kaalai" .
  For aany of SJ songs I can give you a equlaent or better songs. None of tehm which I have asked before is replied by U.
  Sample: or "nenjam marappathillai" " sonnathu nee thhana" " maalai pozhthin" " kaathal siragai" any ofthese can be replaced by SJ's song? pity.
  
  
• From: kalai (@ 202.9.150.197) on: Thu Nov 8 20:45:52 EST 2001
  
  Thanks TNS and raj.
  " the songs which PS and SJ sung together like kaalathi vantaven , kungma pottu kulunguthadi or pallavi ontu as dominated by PS. Athileye SJ-vin tholvi nanttaga therigirathu. Oru paadalil kooda PS-kku eedu kodukka mudiyavillai avaral?
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.234) on: Thu Nov 8 23:15:39 EST 2001
  
  Kupps. That is the answer I wanted. Thanks for giving that. Let others read that and stop under estimating others. ( I like SJ too ).
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 203.199.247.227) on: Thu Nov 8 23:18:06 EST 2001
  
  The thread has lost the main track. No diversions please and no arguments on a FACT. The golden era of TFM cannot be disputed. The team Kavignar Kannadasan, MSV, TMS & PS just cannot be compared. Imaythin Sigarangal.
  Every artiste is talented in his/her own way.
  As far as the songs by the Jodi Kuilgal TMS & PS, have all the rasaas and even today, when you hear them baavangal,unargchigal,characters,artistes who acted are all brought to the listener. They are just not mere songs.
  Onr Irandaa Eduthu Solla, Solla Solla Inikkum.
  
  
• From: TNS (@ 203.199.228.65) on: Fri Nov 9 03:36:29 EST 2001
  
  Meera krishna Iagree with you Let us appreciate their good songs...In Irukodugal kannada version PS shares the navarathri krishna song with Vani Jayaram...This was done in late 80s....Have you noticed the exceptionl melody of PS in this song.....Punnagaimannan poovizhi kannan which was recorded in late 60s PS performs better in late80s for the same song which reconfirms her talent...
  
  
• From: kalai (@ 202.144.106.10) on: Fri Nov 9 04:08:09 EST 2001
  
  To Meera Krishna
  I heared Few kannoda songs of PS . can you give some link?
  Hoovu chellvella nanthethu
  elle iru , hege iru , enthenthu manathalli nee thumbiru
  Cheluvantha chennigane nalithaadu baa
  Nee bandhu ninthagaa , nithu neenu
  Ooduva nathi saagharava
  Uthara thruvathim , thakshina thruvakoo
  
  
  
• From: Raghuvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Fri Nov 9 04:42:17 EST 2001
  
  guys please create a thread called "PS Vs SJ", and bash each others out, now here please, this thread is about "TMS+PS or SPB+SJ".
  
  thanks
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Fri Nov 9 05:49:23 EST 2001
  
  http://mahanadi.com/taranga/playsong.asp?sid=381
  
  I cant understand why people on the newtfmpage are so "anti Janaki". I see the ability of SJ to render songs like "Mannavan vaanthanadi" is being doubted. Though PS was excellent in that song, there is nothing in it that SJ could not have managed.
  
  I have heard that SJ did very well in Kannada,Malayalm and Oriya right from the beginning of her career. My Oriya friends used to praise her a lot. Here is a classical song in Oriya sung by SJ. See how effortless she sounds at high picthes. And here people call her all sorts of bad names like "shrill voice" ...
  
  
• From: Raghuvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Fri Nov 9 06:05:05 EST 2001
  
  AVR;
  
  I agree with you, Although PS is great, SJ's talents are indeed underated, listen to SJ's classcical rendertion in shankaraparanam, along with Dr.SPB, she is the only in match to SPB in TFM, interms of versatlity & expressing emotions, SJ can sing like a child!, but Can Ps do that???, big NO!!!.
  
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.234) on: Fri Nov 9 06:15:13 EST 2001
  
  Kuzandthaium Deivamum Gunathaan Onru - was by PS.
  
  
• From: raj (@ 198.151.230.253) on: Fri Nov 9 07:51:50 EST 2001
  
  Of Who Can Forget the Song "Kaagidha Odam Kadal alai MEedhe"
  
  the entire story will be Portrayed by the song & Ofcourse PS can only sing that song..
  
  What a Song...
  
  PS IS Always Ahead of Sj
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 203.200.15.20) on: Fri Nov 9 08:25:18 EST 2001
  
  Kalai,
  i do not want to continue
  Do you know the Topic
  Why you are not accepting the fact
  ok i can understand your feeling
  Now also Janaki is doing very well
  You can not digest this
  PS can not sing for new herions
  ok guys do not worry
  you can listen to the old songs
  Athodu thirupthi pattu kolla vendiyathu thaan
  appuram pazhaya puraanam pesikonde irungal
  I PITY YOU GUYS
  bye
  
  
• From: Meerakrishna (@ 148.87.19.74) on: Fri Nov 9 19:42:01 EST 2001
  
  TNS, Thanks for the co-operation. You said that Irukodugal kannada version is Eradu Rekhegalu (*saritha) The song is Neelamegha Shyama, a duet with VJ. I really love that song.
  
  Kalai, I really love those songs too.
  Elle iru song is from Kasturinivasa
  cheluvanta cennigane is Amara shilpi Jakanna
  Nee bandu nintaga( oh my all time fav)is again Kasturinivasa
  Hoovu cheluvella is from Hannele chiguridaga
  Oduva nadi from Bangarada hoovu
  Uttara Druvadim is from Sharapanjara(duet with PBS)I like all the songs of Sharapanjara sung by PS. If you want to hear the songs please visit music india online kannada.(Good taste)
  
  regards
  Meera
  
  
• From: kalai (@ 202.9.150.152) on: Fri Nov 9 22:14:31 EST 2001
  
  To meera
  Thanks for the links
  
  
• From: kalai (@ 202.9.150.167) on: Fri Nov 9 22:23:20 EST 2001
  
  Hi vijay
  I love music. I dont have barrier of old songs or new songs. I like SJ too and I admire her next to PS. I have lots of SJ collection too. The songs which you have mentioned in this forum are my favorites too. I know the lyrics also.
  I was enjoying the forum, and I didnt like few comments passed by some people. Thats why I started giving explanation and it went on.
  As PS was underestimated and few unwanted words were passed on thet legend, I given some long explanations. Always we can do some healthy arguments.
  
  
• From: Neethipathi (@ 208.50.80.71) on: Sat Nov 10 14:41:33 EST 2001
  
  Big Deal if ARR is not using SPB, who is ARR, the lord?, well Nandha songs are way better than this PP crap, Mun paniya is superbly rendered by SPB, he is still the DON, have you guys noticed how he switches from low notes to high notes, it is simply amazing, there is no other singers in India 2day, who can rule over SPB in HIGH PITCHES.
  
  listen to this legend's voice, at 55, he sounds like a 25 year old, KJY at 60 sounds like 60, Hariharan sounds too nasal, Unni Krishnan is too feminine, Shanker strain too much.
  
  SPB is uncomparable.
  
  capoot finito!
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.145) on: Sat Nov 10 17:08:09 EST 2001
  
  chappaathi chappaathi thaan roti roti thaan!!
  
  capoot finito!!
  
  
• From: kalai (@ 202.144.106.10) on: Mon Nov 12 23:25:15 EST 2001
  
  Raj
  "pachai maram ontru, ichai kili rendu " from ramu- a lullaby from a small boy.
  
  
• From: kalai (@ 202.144.106.10) on: Tue Nov 13 04:40:08 EST 2001
  
  To all PS fans
  Nov-13 is her Birthday. If you want ot wish her you can use this contact number.
  Her tel. no : 044-4994779
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Tue Nov 13 06:21:29 EST 2001
  
  hey kalai:
  
  Imagine what will happen to poor PS if all her fans ring her up on Nov 13th ie today.
  
  I think we should never post telephone numbers like this.
  
  
• From: gk (@ 64.175.246.132) on: Tue Nov 13 19:55:27 EST 2001
  
  hey guys
  
  Check www.telugucinema.com. Some nice snaps were posted.
  
  
• From: kalai (@ 202.9.150.158) on: Fri Nov 16 10:51:49 EST 2001
  
  I feel The Power in TMS+PS combination is missing in SPB+SJ combination. Any song in SPB+SJ combination like
  "Amaithaiyana nathiyinile oodam odum alavillatha vellam vanthal aadum" or " ponnezhil poothathu puthu vaanil" from kalankarai vilakkam" ?
  
  
• From: The News (@ 65.90.98.9) on: Sun Nov 18 14:40:27 EST 2001
  
  The Hindu,
  
  At a time when Tamil film music has developed its most pronounced Western chord, and singers have a trained twang, S.P. Balasubramaniam still stresses on diction and emotion. After 35 years as the Best Playback Singer, the philanthropist singer wants to hold a full-fledged Carnatic music concert. `The Voice' speaks to Feroze Ahmed. HE ALMOST didn't sing for `Sankara Bharanam'. Not trained in Carnatic music, an apprehensive SPB had asked the music director K.V. Mahadevan to pick someone else. ``The character in the film was a personification of classical music. If something went wrong, people would have blamed me.'' But Pugazhenthi, the assistant music director, was adamant.
  
  He felt there was lot of drama to be performed in the songs and only SPB could deliver. ``I took a lot of effort for the film. Time and luck were on my side.'' He won his first National Award for Best Playback Singer for the film in 1979. It almost turned out to be a curse. ``After `Sankara Bharanam' everyone thought I could sing any song, but it was not so. There were many occasions where I could not do justice to the songs.'' For someone who sings classical in films - ``actually light or semi classical'' - like he was born for it, SPB does not consider himself an exponent of Carnatic music.
  He's not ready for a full- fledged concert yet, he says. ``If I seriously concentrate for a year or two I will be able to do a stage concert. I have to religiously train at least three days a week. Though not as busy as earlier, I am finding it very difficult to find time.'' His call-sheets may not be cluttered anymore, but the SPB of the future will be sitting cross-legged on stage. ``There are no second thoughts about it... I will definitely hold a Carnatic concert.'' ``But you can't learn just three or four keertanas and hold a concert. You should be able to innovate and that should be the capacity of the singer on stage.
  
  My intention is to be a regular singer like anyone else.'' That, from someone who's won six National Awards and the Padma Shri this year. From a singer whose repertoire ranges from Indian folk to Western, Carnatic to Hindustani. His 1995 National Award was for a Kannada film, `Gaana Yogi Panchashari Gavai' (GYPG), with a classical Hindustani base. ``I sang four songs in GYPG of which two - `Umang Gumand' and `Gaana Vidhya Bahut Katin Hai' - were really `katin' for me. The songs were in the Gharana of Dharwad style. I took six months running away from the film.'' He had about 15 years in the industry and a reputation for his soulful renditions when he was called to `audition' for `Ek Duje Ke Liye', which fetched him his second National Award in 1981. ``The composers, Laxmikant-Pyarelal, were not comfortable with me to start with.
  
  But Balachander explained that the character portrayed by Kamal Hassan comes from the South and does not speak Hindi well. I knew the movie would be a success but never thought it would fetch me a National Award. Actually, I was surprised I didn't get a Filmfare Award for it. Kishoreji got it that year.''
  
  Though not a keen awards gatherer, who preferred taking things as they came, he had his share of disappointments. ``The only time I was very sure of an award and didn't get it was for `Annamaya', a Telugu movie.'' It still rankles him strong.
  
  Was he surprised by `Minsara Kanavu', his last National Award in 1996? ``I was surprised. I was surprised. Because my most favourite song in the film was `Vennilave Vennilave'. During the recording the music composer A.R. Rahman and director Rajiv Menon were insistent on a lazy crooning style like you just got up from bed. A labouriously lazy way of singing. It was not easy and I took quite some time to get into the groove for the song.'' The one sore note in his 35-year career comes from `Mayuri'.
  
  SPB had done the score for the original Telugu film. The Hindi version was done by Laxmikant-Pyarelal but the title song, which won the Swami Haridas Award for Best Classical Song, was recorded by SPB. ``As its composer, I should have taken the award but L-P took the award.'' SPB has scored music for more than 50 films despite a ``lack of formal training''. But he had a simple technique: ``I would sing the songs and my assistants would write the notations. I had excellent assistants.'' But the present day music scene is not for him. ``I won't fit into it. I don't have any knowledge of Western music. My strains will be more on Hindustani or Classical mix. It should have beautiful situations and poignant lyrics. That is my definition of a film song.'' He never tried to become a singer, never dreamt of becoming one. ``I was a thin, tiny lad and my voice had just attained puberty then (late 60s). It just happened. When I go back 20-25 years I don't know how I could give such beautiful dimensions to my songs. I still wonder... I don't have the answers.''
  
  
• From: kalai (@ 202.144.106.10) on: Tue Nov 20 05:36:34 EST 2001
  
  Neethipathi (@ 208.50.80.71)
  Big Deal if ARR is not using SPB, who is ARR, the lord?
  why unnecessary comments on ARR? He is still giving chances to SPB. SPB added one more national award in his carrier because of ARR's minsara kanavu. He is giving very good songs to SPB like "duet".
  If ARR stop giving songs to him slowly others also will stop. ( It happened in TMS case, when IR stopped giving him songs. ) In TFM no sentiments, only success rate keeps a person in light.
  
  

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