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Psychology of transition

Topic started by Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on Tue Dec 9 21:31:08 EST 1997.
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• From: Chandramouleeswaran (@ kcpxy3.att.com) on: Wed Jun 17 14:24:32 EDT 1998
  
  Srinath: I tend to agree with most of what u say. I just have one opinion that I think I have to put forth for u and the rest to think about. The quality of music can be judged by the more knowledgable crowd who know the innards of music but to the common man he attaches more importance to probably tune or beat which entirely depends on him. I do agree that music ratings could be quantified but only by people who know what is to be given an appreciation. There are many songs that are technically tough to conduct, compose et al but may just not catch the attention of some one. I was giving my opinion about these people which u would also know are more than the people who know a lot of music. I am not trying to say that those who do not know the innards should not listen or comment about it. They do so from whatever knowledge they have about music. This also a reason why we have a lot of non classical music in films. Ofcourse to look at it from a critics point of view is defenitely different from the point of view of the common man. I tried put forward my opnion as to why "makkal" who have been thinking that IR or for that matter anybody else has been the best and not accepting anyother capable. Iam still talking from the perspective of a common man who goes just by the tune or the beat and not by the technicalities. I also tried to impose the fact that such a person though may be an ardent fan would also loke to hear songs that he finds cathcy from the creations of an another MD but may not be willing to accept it on the face. Again here Iam talking about those who are fanatics( theevira rasigan ). I can understand that a person who is a theevira rasigan of film music may also appreciate the other MD's work. A note here is that I differentiate a theevira rasigan of an MD and theevira rasigan of film music. Success or failure of an MD is more to do with the appeal he has with the public. Here is where subjectivity comes in.
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ isdbsd1-inet.ci.mil.wi.us) on: Wed Jun 17 15:37:23 EDT 1998
  
  Wonderful topic! A big thank you to Udhaya, who must be consuming a Boost+Nutramul+Horlicks equivalent to summon up the energy in ploughing through the archives this way! I do not think I will have anything new to offer here, but I felt like "talking" at length about this subject, so...
  
  Film music was actually my form of rebellion, along with ‘70s pop like ABBA and Boney_M. My whole family is steeped in Carnatic music, and I was forced to learn it too (I cannot thank them enough now, but then was a different matter altogether. I still remember thittu-vaangifying "eppa paathaalum cinema paattu kaettundu..."). But film music meant IR in Tamil, and SDB-RDB in Hindi. I would never even think of listening to others' music. And now I listen even to MKTB (thanks to my revived interest in Classical music). Yet, in those "arai draayar" days, glued to Ungal Viruppam in the mornings, who wanted to argue that there were other worthwhile conposers when 8 out of 10 songs were by IR?
  
  Therefore, when ARR burst onto the scene, I took it very badly. I was in the advertising field then (where a lot of my seniors knew ARR as Dileep), and Roja's music seemed little more than prettified jingles. The movie that shook me that year was Thevar Magan, in which Kamal had neatly appropriated the Godfather theme and Indianized it so well, thanks due in no small measure to IR's brilliant work in that film. I kept wondering why so many people were so eager to embrace film music that sounded like what they were already getting on their TV sets. I mean, Inji Iduppazhagi was a hit too, but the Roja songs were something else altogether in terms of becoming a national craze.
  
  As everyone knows after reading previous postings in this thread, once you live through one transition like this, you are able to understand why amma-appa didn't embrace IR readily, why thatha-patti thumbed their noses at MSV... I sometimes think that if anyone is as passionate about ARR today as I was about IR then, they will discover the magic of IR (and others before) the minute ARR's stars begin to wane.
  
  There was such a sense of invincibility about IR till 1992, that I honestly couldn't imagine TFM without him. What ARR did (at least to me) was prove that there was life in TFM after IR. I seriously think he's a long way from, say, a "Poonkadhavae...", but in its own pop-pleasure terms, I greatly enjoyed Rakshagan.
  
  IR will always be No.1 to me, mostly because of the absolutely extraordinary quality of his music, but also because I used to watch a lot more films then. So each film would lodge special little bits of nostalgia value in me. I do not watch most films today, as I've become pretty choosy (there, Srinath, is your term :–)), and as a result today's TFM isn't as lodged in my head.
  
  Hmm, quite a bit of (unnecessary) rambling there...
  
  
• From: peeps (@ ) on: Thu Feb 15 02:07:31 EST 2001
  
  great thread....trying to activate....
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 202.54.13.6) on: Thu Feb 15 04:35:14 EST 2001
  
  It was realy nice to read this old thread from archives.Each one of u have had diferent
  
  transition.After reading some of the postings i felt ashamed that how much biased i was all
  
  these days.I am 23 now and many of them posted here are older than me(this is a very old
  
  thread).They all have said that maturity comes slowly as u get older.
  
  In my case,none of my family members including me have no knowledge about music except film
  
  music(tamil and malayalam).We used to appreciate good music independent of the MD.My father loves
  
  film music and he usually hums TMS(MGR) songs in house.He used to record selected songs which are
  
  hits at that time(80's).IR ruled during my childhood but i dont remember hearing songs in my very
  
  young age(3 to 10).But my grandma told me that i wanted to hear the song "ithu kuzhandai paadum
  
  thaalattu" from her mouth before i go to sleep during when was 3.
  
  IMHO music comes thru genes.If ur parents or grand parents love music much then that gene will
  
  also tilt u towards music i think.I had no special interest in music till i joined my college.ARR
  
  came into picture when i was in 11th standard i think.I still remember how "rukumani" song
  
  surprised me when i heard that for the first time in madras FM one night.Then "kadhalan" when i
  
  was in 12th made everyone tap their whole body.But music remained just another timepass till i
  
  joined my college in coimbatore.
  
  I was very lucky to meet a lot of IR fans there,particularly in our college music club.They( i
  
  was not a member) used to talk abt each IR song for hours.And during their music events they
  
  used to have 50% IR songs in their list.
  Slowly my liking towards film music went more and more and i used to sit late nights in tv room
  
  in our hostel to watch Illayaraaja hits in Sun tv.But still i loved some selective songs from
  
  ARR because ARR was at his peak at that time.Cant avoid listnening to his songs because every tv
  
  channel and radio were giving those ARR songs.
  
  Till my final year college i was not a fanatic of IR but a fan of IR who listens to other good
  
  songs also.After i joined the company which i am working now, i used to browse so many music
  
  sites and i came thru TFM page which i found very interesting.In the mean time i searched the
  
  whole net to get details about maestro IR.I went thru soo many articles which praises IR like GOD
  
  and his songs and his musical capabilities.I too changed as a IR fanatic in that time of my life
  
  i think, and till now i am a die hard fanatic of IR. I literally omitted all other songs except
  
  for some good malayalam songs.I hated ARR without any reason and tried to make ARR fans listen to
  
  IR songs(thought they would become IR fans..but nothing happened like that..:-) :-))..
  
  After going thru some of the posting in this thread i could feel that how crazy i was.I couldnt
  
  digest that someone has replaced my fav MD from the scene.Now i feel for the time i wasted all
  
  these years(thank god its only 1 year wasted) hearing one and only IR songs.I dont say that IR's
  
  music is not worth listenening.Someone has mentioned already that we should try to hear as much
  
  variety as possible to have a broader outlook to music.Till date no one's music have affected as
  
  IR's.He is and will be my fav.But hearing others is not wrong at all.I understood that now.And
  
  its not my job to make all others an IR fan.Everyone has their own taste.
  
  I agree with everyone that songs we hear in our early age makes a huge impact in selecting our
  
  fav MD.But in my case i dont remember that i heard IR songs in my childhood..i think my memory is
  
  very poor.
  I could never see a clear transition from one MD to another MD in my life.Initially ARR made me
  
  to look into TFM and IR helped to understand what music is.His music is close to my heart than
  
  anyone else's.Coming to MSV and other old MD's songs,I love some selected songs very much like
  
  "pava mannippu" songs and "thiruvilayadal" songs.But my day never ends without hearing or humming
  
  IR songs for the past 2 years..I dont know how will my music taste change in the years to come..
  Very eager to see more postings in this nice thread.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Thu Feb 15 09:25:39 EST 2001
  
  nice post, peeps.
  
  
• From: Ramesh K (@ 202.9.149.31) on: Thu Feb 15 10:14:41 EST 2001
  
  hey this is a great thread, suited to people like me who think why people change their tastes towards music. On saturday i shall post all my thoughts on this.
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Feb 15 10:32:13 EST 2001
  
  peeps:
  
  "IR ruled during my childhood but i dont remember hearing songs in my very young age(3 to 10).But my grandma told me that i wanted to hear the song "ithu kuzhandai paadum thaalattu" from her mouth before i go to sleep during when was 3."
  
  That song is from "Oru thalai Ragam' of T. Rajender's and not IR's.
  
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 63.170.224.57) on: Thu Feb 15 10:41:36 EST 2001
  
  thank u cram..when are u posting ur transition???
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 63.170.224.57) on: Thu Feb 15 10:44:32 EST 2001
  
  Filflo,
  thank u for the info....
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Feb 15 10:44:52 EST 2001
  
  peeps:
  
  I should have said this in my last posting itself. I enjoyed reading your post. Keep writing more.
  
  

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