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Ilayaraja made the world cinema to look into Sounth Indian Movies

Topic started by Bala (@ 4.37.102.100) on Fri Jan 3 16:44:17 EST 2003.
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Ilayaraja, the magnanimous name ,every other music lover of this century and in the future will know and remember.I inaugurate this thread to share our views about his great work to make the world to look into South Indian Movies.There was a time that people were interested to listen to hindi music, where everyone had a question infront whether we r going to acheive the quality of that kind.There came our isaignani to say "Here is the music that everyone loves" and delivered to the whole world.After his entry our culture(south indian) is exhibited to the whole world in an effecient manner which was lacked with all the other music directors.Manvaasani,intha mannin kaathal,intha mannin veeram,intha mannin pulamai endru ivan ivvulaghukku alli koduthathai neanivu kooruvom.When the whole world was talking about westernizing our music this Man made the western people to listen to our carnatic music.This great man helped lot of talented directors to deliver their thirst over our culture and made the movies look like evergreen.I personally request the admin to keep this thread open as a research thread to talk and share about that great man Ilayaraja who is making our south indian film industry to be proudly standing in front of the world.

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• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Mon Mar 17 21:52:16 EST 2003
  
  V, Valaiyosai is spoilled by LM.
  
  
• From: av (@ 132.206.72.96) on: Mon Mar 17 23:59:57 EST 2003
  
  Here is what a Tamil-speaking lady said to one of my very close relatives, while they were listening to the song "Valayosai". Apparently, Ilayaraaja had the same thing to say about it.
  
  "Lata's grasp and deft handling of the long-winded, difficult and tongue-twisting passages of "valayosai" (typical of IRs music), that too in a language completely unknown to her, left me breathless and full of admiration for her miraculous abilities".
  
  The lady happens to be a very famous violonist. No marks for guessing her name!
  
  
• From: V (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Wed Mar 19 05:33:18 EST 2003
  
  av, you are right ... the quality of her voice is unimaginable. I would say Janaki comes close to her. Chitra is good too.
  
  Lollu, I think you need to hear alot of IR. IR has proved and no need to prove again. Currently, he is not in the same touch as he used to even some 7 yrs ago. Everyone has their phase. Compare to what IR did in 80s ARR has not acheived that much, though has the potential.
  
  ARR is in great touch lately... but, he is not producing good songs as he did some 2 - 3 yrs back (Baba I would say is a disaster). If you consider Baba and others in the last 1 or 2 yrs as good then I am sorry I dont have answers to you. ARR has become a man who used to provide an album full of good songs to 1 or 2 good songs per album ... do u see a decline??? I admire ARR and he is someone who just want to give quality music, he also gives a chance to his co-workers to get some valuable input which is good. But lately, he is getting into pattern. I would say the same thing with IR lately (he is getting into a pattern as well). Sorry state for TFM.
  
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Mar 19 13:56:43 EST 2003
  
  "if IR chooses to revamp some of his songs that are not that great in terms of sound quality (judging by todays standards), many will appreciate the technical virtuosity and the simplicity in it"
  
  I am not sure 'many' will appreciate..probably a few. Times have changed, its a fast-paced world. 'Many' do not have the patience to sit and really 'listen' to music. IRs style of composing is fundamentally different from the current trend, but exactly follows the tradition set forth by earlier masters like KVM, MSV etc. Today, percussion and other sounds are upfront in the sound mix. With IR and previous MDs, it is only the vocals that is the front and all instruments stay behind (have more reverb and less volume levels, in sound engineering terms). This is the right kind of mix for melodies, since majority of current music is more rhythmic or want to accentuate the rhythm, the rhythm instruments are given dominance in the mix. We were listening to IRs music on mono AM radio. Many of us never heard the various instruments used in the recording, but IR and others have made it a point to do things sincerely, irrespective of the audience and their appreciation skills. Today, MDs do or have to, high light each and every aspect of their music with sound engineering. They are trying to sell to the audience, rather than letting the audience make an effort to appreciate the nuances in their music. One can probably compare this to the way women dress now (compared to the traditional ways) , various physical features are highlighted more and more :)
  
  
• From: Saketh@Atlanta (@ 130.207.32.174) on: Wed Mar 19 14:36:14 EST 2003
  
  I too have been wondering whether someone will just record some of the best of IR's work all over again, wouldn't that be cool, it would be almost like time travel. Also, IR could do like a 'unplugged' kind of a thing, where he can sing some of his songs in new style, make them more guitar oriented. Solo songs, IR on guitar - WOW!. Especially songs like the ones on Guitar Prasanna's list - Pazhaya Sogangal etc. Can the Raajangahm guys suggest something like that to IR?
  
  Of course, now that my three wishes for this lifetime are over, I better get back to work.
  
  
• From: mythila (@ 137.237.13.20) on: Wed Mar 19 16:54:54 EST 2003
  
  Kiru, I completely agree with you on today's MDs vs Y'years MDs, but not on the women dress part.
  
  
• From: Vaathiyaar (@ 203.106.188.63) on: Wed Mar 19 20:46:12 EST 2003
  
  Please do not include IR with TFM greats such as MSV and KVM and insult the doyens of the industry.
  
  
• From: av (@ 132.206.72.59) on: Thu Mar 20 00:00:42 EST 2003
  
  V (@ 160.83.32.14) :
  
  You might want to join this:
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/latamangeshkar2/
  
  
• From: x (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Thu Mar 20 11:09:03 EST 2003
  
  vathiyaar,
  
  Can you please tell me why think IR should not be compared with MSV and KVM? FYI, MSV's favourite MD is IR. He said that a few years ago on TV when he was interviewed by K.Balachander and he quoted Sindhu bhairavi and the valayosai song from Sathya were his favourites. There were few more occations when MSV appreciated IR in public. MSV and IR have mutual respect... MSV has sung in IR's music and these 2 have worked together in couple of movies and one of them was MSV's own production...
  
  If you have respect for MSV, then you should also have respect for the MD who he respects. Isn't that logical? For people who listened to both MSV and IR know their style and ability. Obviously you haven't heard their music but you just wanted to write something to show your existance.
  
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Thu Mar 20 21:58:28 EST 2003
  
  DIGRESSION: mythila, I am watching SunTV after a long time. Suddenly, I find the dances in our movies are slightly over the top. The women are not fully clothed and the dance movements are something one cannot watch at home with family. Its been a while since I visited India. I am guessing the movies are reflecting a trend in the lifestyle of our people, if that is the case, then to some extent I feel, women are not 'properly' attired anymore. I think this is a general trend even in the US. Look at the old movies and todays'. Even in real life, this is how it is.
  Maybe, I am becoming too protective of what my little son watches on TV !!!
  
  
• From: Vaathiyaar (@ 210.186.61.21) on: Thu Mar 20 22:03:32 EST 2003
  
  MSV respects Shankar-ganesh, Sirpy etc.
  So?
  
  
  Anyway, MSV is not only magnanimous he is also very forgetful, the dear old man. :)
  
  For your info, I have been listening to the music of MSV and IR long before you were an itch in your parents' thoughts (courtesy Uthaya!)
  So, don't try acting smart with me.
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 202.54.40.210) on: Thu Mar 20 23:34:12 EST 2003
  
  Kiru, the movies are NOT reflecting the lifestyle of the people here. Considering the size of the tamil diaspora, the impact of north-based heroines I guess the brains that be are obsessed with bringing in dress codes that would be acceptable on a global scale.
  Picturisation today is junk, no two opinions on that. It falls more within the umbrella of choreography than screenplay.
  
  
• From: V (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Fri Mar 21 09:14:38 EST 2003
  
  av,
  
  Thanks for the invitation, I will join there.
  
  vaathiyar,
  
  If you think IR is not worth including to that list, I would say its utter foolishness. To me, MSV, KVM and others (includes Ramanathan, A.M. Raja) made Tamil audience proud of our music, but still many praised hindi music (there were many hindi tune lifts than now). IR went one step further by making us listen to good south indian music and made other part of south india follow (I dont recall MSV doing that, though I respect what he did), and made South India listen to our music (he made hindi music to look like very normal). This is not anything against rest of India, it is just to quote the intensity. ARR is going one step further to make our music universal in India (though you always see a repulsion in the North). IR introduced us to many other kinds of music in his own way ( and made us appreciate good music ). ARR is taking us to another horizon. You just cannot deny because there are many followers, who have some music knowledge too (as you do I assume).
  
  The best about IR is that, he can turn a normal tamil movie to a movie of class just with his BGM. He is someone who can change movie moods through his BGM. I dont think anyone here will object that.
  
  Vaathiyar, just because you have been listening to ones music for a long time doesnt mean you think anyway better than someone who is sensible unless you provide some logical reasons (just another way of thinking in our soceity where someone who is senior "assumes", he/she "always" thinks the right way without giving a logical reason).
  
  V
  
  
• From: x (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Fri Mar 21 09:28:54 EST 2003
  
  vathiyaar,
  
  You are in for it again, huh?
  "MSV respects Shankar-ganesh, Sirpy etc" -- where did you get that from? just for the sake of argument, right?
  
  Now that you say you have listened to MSV and IR, can you describe their style, discuss them and prove that IR is not fit to be compared? Why don't you do that to prove that you are smarter? huh? If your intention is just to pop up your nose here and there and write way a few words against IR and disappear...then that isn't going to prove anything.
  
  I don't have to act smart (and don't borrow words from someone else). Anyone who reads your comments will feel smarter than you.
  
  I have had this before with you. I see what you are trying to do here. You are not going to stop until you ruin this yet another thread. So I think it's better for me to ignore you. Find someone else to take your crap.
  
  
  
  
• From: mythila (@ 137.237.13.20) on: Fri Mar 21 10:17:14 EST 2003
  
  Recently listened to some songs from
  Nilave mugam kaatu(thendralai kandu kollu, thananthaniyaaga, suthaade bhoomi thaaye),
  naadodi thenral(yaarum vilaiyaadum, maniye manikuyile, oru kanam oru yugam), Ingeyum oru Gangai(Solai pushpangale, thekku theru machaane),avarampoo(sami kitta, adukkumalli) - Simple tunes flowing like a gentle stream and great gramathu melodies to soothe a tired mind!!!
  
  

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