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- From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217)
on: Fri Jun 26 18:13:50 EDT 1998
To hear what SPB brings to a song just listen to "Idhayam Oru Koyil" IR's rendering and immediately follow it up with SPB. Balu just hoists the song high up there and lets it dance like a kite rescued from a tree and given to the winds. Every line and stanza break is fluid. BTW let me wave my white flag, mine is not a muckracking intent.
- From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk)
on: Tue Jun 30 09:14:55 EDT 1998
Karthick: Hariharan didn't sing Kadhal Rojave....It was sung by SPB only(there were two versions on the CD/Cassette - I have both, by Pyramid)....unless the version of Roja we got in the UK was different from yours. The only song Hari sang in the film Roja was Thamila Thamila.
- From: mohan (@ gw1.cat.com)
on: Tue Jul 7 14:56:43 EDT 1998
'pottu vaitha..oru vatta nila...' by yesudas and ilayaraja.. from 'idhayam' movie.
KJ appadiye nejai urukkivittar... adhai kettapparam IR's voice edupadalla...
adhey madiri.. 'ennai thaalatta varuvalo...' by Hariharan and then by IR.. IR suthhhha kolai....!
IRku edhukku indha maadiri vibareedha asai? Nekku onnume puriyalai...
innoru example... 'kalyana malai...' by SPB and IR in 'pudhu ~ arthangal'... adhu oralavukku paravillai... because IR did not sing the full song... thappichom...! siva..siva!!
- From: Veera Akkoor (@ 1cust230.tnt2.det2.da.uu.net)
on: Wed Jul 8 19:07:58 EDT 1998
My impressions of Pottu Vaitha oru vatta nila is that no doubt KJY has sung it good. It is IR that brings the feelings from the song. Only the composer knows what an effect the song need to have. Who else can give its feelings better than the MD. IR's voice cannot be compared to professional singers like Balu or Jesu. But in certain songs only IR's voice brings the soothing feeling.
Sorry guys anything negative about the Maestro cannot be digested by me. Has anyone heard the song from "Vidhinja Kalyanam" IR sings a beauty of a song called "Kaalam Mazhai kaalam Thano". This is followed by SJ. But I found IR's voice more suited to the scene. Similar instance is from "Unnai Naan Santhithen".
Thanks
Veera Akkoor
- From: Ramki (@ b131.bernhard.wmich.edu)
on: Wed Jul 8 20:18:49 EDT 1998
Veera akkoor the song from VK is 'kaalam ilavenir kaalam kaatru thaalattudhu'and the female version is sung by Chitra and not SJ
- From: Veera Akkoor (@ 1cust237.tnt2.det2.da.uu.net)
on: Wed Jul 8 20:43:22 EDT 1998
Thanks Ramki. I apologise for my misquote. But nevertheless IR has sung it great.Is is not?
Veera
- From: Anand (@ news.ntu.edu.sg)
on: Thu Jul 9 02:38:49 EDT 1998
Geetha,
It was UnniMenon who sang "Kaadal Rojave" in ROJA, and it is not SPB as you think.
- From: vijay (@ 129.252.29.219)
on: Thu Jul 9 03:41:45 EDT 1998
anand,
SPB sang kaadhal rojave, unni sang 'pudhu vellai mazhai'.
- From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk)
on: Thu Jul 9 11:56:48 EDT 1998
Thanks Vijay for that confirmation....
- From: mohan (@ gw1.cat.com)
on: Thu Jul 9 15:03:23 EDT 1998
sorry veera,
my intent was not to mock IR. I will give up even my life for his music.. I am such a big fan of his! Even now I am listening to his songs on the net while working...!
my point was that after hearing KJ's voice for pottu vaitha oru vatta nila, I found it odd to listen to the same song sung by IR.
no bias please!
- From: mannAru (@ ns.arraycomm.com)
on: Fri Jul 10 20:05:58 EDT 1998
Another song from Udaya geetham."ThEnE then pAndi meenE" by SJ and SPB. I prefer SJ's version.
Eppadi makkal, "ennai thAlAtta varuvAlA" songai
vittu vittargal. I prefer IR version.
I also prefer the IR version of "idhayam oru kovil" from idhaya kovil.
- From: Veera akkoor (@ 1cust17.tnt2.det1.da.uu.net)
on: Sat Jul 11 01:39:28 EDT 1998
Hi Mohan ,
No heart feelings. I know how much his music has captivated and still lingers in our minds. I was just explaining the MD's voice.
Folks, Idayam oru kovil (IR's version) is superb since, the music interludes is out of the world. The violin pieces in the end is amazing. I just listened to the CD. My god where can he come up with such a great stuff time and again.
Thanks
Veera Akkoor
- From: Arvind (@ webgate0.mot.com)
on: Mon Jul 13 00:22:42 EDT 1998
Here's one more example :
In the film "En Jeevan Padudhu", there is a song
"Engirindho Azhaikkum" that is sung by Lata Mangeshkar, and later in the film by Ilaiyaraja. The orchestrations are different.
Similarly, in the film "Neengal Kettavai", the song "Pillai Nila" is sung once by S. Janaki, and later by K. J. Yesudas, both with different orchestrations.
The song "Thalattu Mari Ponadhe" from "Unnai Nan Sandhithen" also has two versions - one by S. Janaki, and another by Ilaiyaraja.
From "Unakkagave Vazhgiren" - "Ilancholai Pookkala", SPB and Malaysia Vasudevan.
From "Kavi Kuyil" - "Chinna Kannan Azhaikkiran", Balamurali krishna and S. Janaki.
From Paatu Padava" - "Indha Kanmanikkule", Sunanda and SPB.
- From: anandaum (@ 202.185.108.205)
on: Tue Jul 14 21:07:58 EDT 1998
I prefer SJ's version of thene thenpandi meene like most do.But like SJ's version of Chinna kannan azhaikiran unlike most do.
But I really enjoy her version of Pillai nila and Thalathu mAriponathe.
Another song is Vasamtham padivara in Rayil payananggal by SJ and SPB. I prefer both coz but with its own beauty.
A song from Sudarum Sooravaliyum but I can't recall but I like definitely SPB's version coz on the another TMS sings!
The song Nilavu thooggum nEram as everybody's choice the duet version.
- From: Mani (@ lr919-m1.ppp.temple.edu)
on: Wed Jul 22 00:59:35 EDT 1998
Anybody care for a cup of coffee? Suda Suda Caffee? Rombom discuss panna thonda kaanchidum.
- From: Palani Kumar (@ dns.kuwait-chamber.com.kw)
on: Wed Jul 22 05:21:41 EDT 1998
Curious to know the name of song & movie,
sung by TMS and later by SPB.
SPB song was used in that movie.
- From: bull (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de)
on: Wed Jul 29 04:23:10 EDT 1998
There is a song "vasanthamE arugil vaa" in the movie "amaran" which was sung by both KJY and SPB. Donno which one featured in the movie itself.
Can anyone tell?
- From: Nirupama (@ van-52-1916.direct.ca)
on: Wed Jul 29 13:37:25 EDT 1998
Bull,
The SPB version is the one that was featured in the film. I haven't listened to the KJY's version yet. Was it better than the SPB version or not?
- From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217)
on: Wed Jul 29 15:03:13 EDT 1998
palani kumar,
The song you are thinking of is "Thiruthaeril varum silaiyo" from "Naan Vaazhavaippaen". Both TMS and SPB recorded the song. But IR chose to use SPB's version which totally ticked off TMS who publicly demanded a comparison of both versions to see whose was better. IR just dumped him without entertaining his ego. I believe IR's decision could have been based on the English lines in the song. If one regrets English in songs then hearing TMS sing in English is a double-edged punishment.
bull and Nirupama,
The song "chandirarae sooriyarae natchathira naayagarae" from Amaran was the one that was sung by both KJY and SPB. Both were excellent in their own right. KJY's version may have been the sad version though the difference is hard to tell in this somber tune.
- From: Hrishikesh (@ 202.54.33.221)
on: Wed Jul 29 23:05:41 EDT 1998
Another example is "Dharma".IR starts singing the song "Iru Kangal Podhadhu" and luckily stops after two lines!SPB sings the full song.
- From: bull (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de)
on: Thu Jul 30 02:07:26 EDT 1998
Udhaya. Donno, maybe you are right, but I seem to remember the song "vasanthamE" as being the first song on both sides in the cassette. Will try to acquire the cassette somehow.
Nirupama : What Udhaya says is right. There probably can't be a debate asto whether it was SPB or KJY who sang the song "better". Both are great singers and both have the right kind of emotion in their voices, especially for sad songs 'cos I have a feeling that SPB puts in a lot more enthu than KJY for dappaangguththu kind of songs. Of 'course when the song has to be happy but sober KJY will be better (for ex. "aaj sE pehlE aaj sE zyaadaa" in the film "chit chOr" sorry for going into Hindi films)
- From: Nirupama (@ van-52-0933.direct.ca)
on: Thu Jul 30 14:29:49 EDT 1998
bull,
You're right in saying that both these singers are excellent in their own right and cannot be compared. Since I never had the opportunity of listening to them delivering the same song, I thought it will be interesting to note the differences in the style of singing, voice modulation etc. I guess this is not the right song then, because I'm looking for a song that was sung by both of them for the same situation/mood.
- From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com)
on: Fri Jul 31 04:47:13 EDT 1998
Nirupama,
Maasi maasam aalaana ponnu from dharmadurai (KJY) was done by Balu when it was dubbed in telugu.
I felt KJYs version was better probably bocos balu's version was in telugu!!!
- From: dhan (@ dajal.legato.com)
on: Fri Jul 31 15:10:40 EDT 1998
film: enakkul oruvan song: megham kottattum aattam undu....both kamal and SPB sang for it, but it's the kamal version on the movie, i guess same with "raaja kaiya vachaa..." from apporva sagodharargal..correct me if i am wrong.
geeta:
btw, kaarthik should be thinking about hindi version of roja. both SPB and HH have sung for "kaadhal rojavae". IMO, both are a class apart. SPB has just replicated what he's done in tamil version. HH has done a lot of modification, his "venkala" voice has a more soothing effect than SPBs...got to agree!
- From: Sundar (@ 204-197-178.iptr.aol.com)
on: Sat Aug 1 19:57:09 EDT 1998
"Manathil Urudhi vendum, vakkiniley " By Banumathi, KJY ( Probably by some others also)
- From: Sriram Lakshman (@ sf-dnpqs-149.compuserve.net)
on: Sun Aug 2 20:39:14 EDT 1998
Hi guys,
Ever listened to Devan thantha veenai sung by SPB and KJY ? SPB is absolutely tops whereas KJYs rendition is just normal. KJY unlike SPB is not able to beautify a tune and render it and unfortunately the range of songs he do justice for is very limited.
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