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Ilaiyaraja before and after 1987.

Topic started by Viswanath S. (@ webgate6.mot.com) on Thu Mar 26 23:55:06 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I have this feeling that there was a marked change (drop ?) in Ilaiyaraja's music sometime in early 1987. And it has not attained that magic ever since. Comments ...

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• From: outsider (@ ) on: Thu Sep 12 09:53:13 EDT 2002
  
  Can't pinpoint the year, but it is quite obvious
  to every discerning music listener that somewhere
  in the late 80's or early 90's Illai Raaja went
  off the track. Not only he lost his charm and
  magic but also his compositions had a very weary
  outlook and feeling. For reference, listen
  to so many of his lifeless, dull, lackluser
  songs of early 90's (may be some even from late
  80's).
  So unfortunate that such a creative individual
  who gave so many enchanting melodies in a very
  intriguing, and hitherto completely unknown, fusion of western and tamil instruments in the late 70's to early 80's, could not maintain his quality.
  
  
• From: Ramesh (@ 209.247.244.91) on: Thu Sep 12 10:46:16 EDT 2002
  
  Oh really @... who scored music for chinna thambi, dalapathy, anjali, kalainjan, guna, heyram, devathai, kadalukku mariyathai, pudhu puhdu arthangal, ejaman, veera, bharathi, time..
  Some Ghost like you?
  
  IR means not only songs.. his BGMs should also be discussed. Even in 80s people were talking about re recording.. It is sad people like you still remain ignorant about minute details of music.
  
  Rahman came into field 10 years back.. he has scored just 50 odd films IR achieved that within 3 years into his entry. Look at ARR songs.. first movie was Roja.. last movie was Baba.. you think the quality has improved a lot from Roja to Baba? No Music Director has achieved what IR has achieved. When ARR could not sustain his quality for more than 4 or 5 films.. you gotta hand out to IR who maintained his quality even according to your argument for more than 500 movies.. You guys are softcore IR haters.. That's why you try to write him off cunningly.. But truth is there are millions of fans following IR songs.. His 70s 80s songs are far better than any of the songs that come out from other MDs like ARR now.. So people can live with those songs.
  
  
• From: ST (@ 64.229.179.29) on: Thu Sep 12 13:31:36 EDT 2002
  
  I think people are trying too hard to prove that IR's crap music is the best in the world. Don't talk about quantity here, only end result matters. Just take last 10 years and compare ARR & IR. Many respectable directors & producers have switched to ARR simply because his music is far superior to IR. Can IR take his music outside South India, of course not, because it sucks. If IR's total yearly worldwide music right sales exceeds ARR's just one album then its worth talking about him. As far as the quality of music is concerned, IR is dead & gone, so there is no point in talking about him. Don't try to fool millions of people by spitting idiotic things in this forum. Will IR's idiotic fans ever accept defeat?. losers will always morn.
  
  
• From: Jeera (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Thu Sep 12 14:31:17 EDT 2002
  
  ST
  
  yeah, yeah, yeah. So don't talk about him, please. Get outta of here.
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.45.240) on: Thu Sep 12 14:39:57 EDT 2002
  
  "losers will always morn."
  
  - ST
  
  - Can anybody translate this?
  
  
• From: ST (@ 64.229.179.29) on: Thu Sep 12 14:48:16 EDT 2002
  
  Ok Awe, for you I dhould have said Kadi. Sari kadi naai poi velai iruntha paar.
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.45.240) on: Thu Sep 12 15:13:21 EDT 2002
  
  "I dhould have said Kadi"
  
  - ST
  
  - No one was there to translate the above. Can someone translate this?
  
  
• From: ST (@ 64.229.179.29) on: Thu Sep 12 15:25:23 EDT 2002
  
  Common guys, Kadi naai Awe is thick so can someone help him out please.
  
  
• From: ST (@ 64.229.179.29) on: Thu Sep 12 15:39:08 EDT 2002
  
  People are scared of this kadi naai Awe. So why don't you change your name to JJ or Utaman and help yourself out.
  
  
• From: Santhosh (@ 63.208.46.143) on: Thu Sep 12 15:42:15 EDT 2002
  
  Your English is that bad ST... because from your postings i can sense you are an unculutured illiterate moron..
  
  Name :ST
  Expansion: Sori Thalaiyan
  Nick Name: Kirukkan
  Job: Kirukkan Madiri Ularuvadhu
  Grew up at: Mental Hospital
  Hopes of Curing his mentall illness: No Hope
  
  
  Dei Kirukka ST... konjam velile poriya...
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.56.24) on: Thu Sep 12 15:43:49 EDT 2002
  
  "Common guys".... what is this does he mean Come on Guys... This is getting funnier
  
  
• From: ST (@ 64.229.179.29) on: Thu Sep 12 15:50:00 EDT 2002
  
  Yes you thick head, your writing shows that you are a pathetic pannadai. Go and hang yourself you idiot.
  
  
• From: Manohar (@ 209.244.98.135) on: Thu Sep 12 15:50:20 EDT 2002
  
  ST is another pathetic creature hybernating in this forum. Even after total humiliation he is still blabbering around which explains how stupid he must be. Don't waste your time with this "girl" ST. He doesn't know music. He doesn't know English. Although his stupid english is increasingly funny we still should not allow this moron to spoil this forum.
  
  
• From: ST (@ 64.229.179.29) on: Thu Sep 12 16:06:22 EDT 2002
  
  All IR fans are suffering from mental illness & that why they all been admitted in various mental hospitals all around USA. If you listen to IR's crap music this is where you all would end up. These mentals should not be allowed near a computer till they get cured by listening to ARR songs. If you are an IR fan, you got to be mental. Hahahahah.....
  
  
• From: Jeera (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Thu Sep 12 16:25:02 EDT 2002
  
  All right this is really good. Calling each other names and mental cases. Thamizhargal manathai nalla Kaapathareenga!.
  
  Now I can understand why Goundamani and Senthil are considered good comedians!.
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.45.98) on: Thu Sep 12 16:41:56 EDT 2002
  
  Manohar some ppl won;t realize that they are humiliated. They are that dumb.. ST is one such case.. He is getting pounded by everybody.. so he is kind of flipped. Interesting thing is he got pounded by so many ppl in various threads yet his stupid head could not grasp the ground reality..
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Sep 12 16:55:26 EDT 2002
  
  Could it not just be this:
  IRs music has always been consistently good.
  Just the newer audience that is statistically a majority of araikurais?
  Something to cosider (for both IR and ARR fans.) :-)
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.95.121.98) on: Thu Sep 12 23:46:57 EDT 2002
  
  I really no no what this ST is talks about. Can some bodies helping he/her to understanding what he/her wanted to telling us?
  
  Or should we just ignore it?
  
  
• From: nvd (@ 202.184.225.4) on: Fri Sep 13 00:55:46 EDT 2002
  
  I feel there is a marked change in IR's output. But, IMHO He changed for a difference. perhaps we are talking about the melodies of Mohan's songs + SPB's voice then. 1987/88 onwards, IR's music went more to a classically modern with reduced emphasis given to the manipulation of musical instruments he used. Then again, after 1998, IR hooked to modernized classical (somewhat reciprocal to 1987-1997) which looks more promising and sustaining. But, admittedly, IR's era esp. those 1979-1986 golden era is gone. But gone are the days only. He still lives in our memories.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Fri Sep 13 01:12:16 EDT 2002
  
  nvd -
  I think, what begins as a progressive charting of IRs change and adaptation, somewhat turns into a premature obituary in the above. :-)
  
  Sure, IRs output at his generational best (audience- wise,)may have been in the period of from the 80s to early 90s, but one can't say his compositional abilities have dimmed (eg. Azhagi) and nor have they lost their signature. Just because there has been a shift to a younger and more hitblitz crowd all over India, it does not necessarily have to be taken as IRs diminished/ing touch. You might also want to take into consideration the calibre of lyrics, and singing today before casting IR to your memory. :-)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Fri Sep 13 01:28:42 EDT 2002
  
  "Many respectable directors & producers have switched to ARR simply because his music is far superior to IR. Can IR take his music outside South India, of course not, because it sucks"
  
  Do you mean BR, MR, Balachander switched from IR to ARR after the advent of ARR? Then its not correct. All the above said "respected directors" have LONG BEFORE switched from IR and moved to some other MDs. Did it have the quality playing the role for switching out of IR? No Naadodi thendRal, Dalapathy, Pudhupudhu arthangaL had splendid music (songs were hit and BGM was also great). BR moved to devendran, Balachandar to maragadhamani AND MR to a new "un established" music director called A.R.Rahman (it was a speculative move for Mani, ofcourse he succeeded in it which is a different point). How could these people know that "ARR music is far superior to IR's"? Had ARR been not so good then definitely they would have switched either back to IR or trying out other MDs. All these happenings even though their last/latest venture with IR was super hit.
  
  The reason for these "respectable directors" switching is not Music but something else.
  
  BTW whats is all about "quantity doesn't matter only quality matters"? So having scored music for one or two movies with hit songs then can i be termed as the BEST MD in TFM?
  
  Now consider 10 years time ARR has scored not even 100 movies. Assume he has scored for 75 movies and all are great. In the same span of 10 years IR has scored ATLEAST DOUBLE the number of 75 all super hit music PLUS as many here say A hell a lot of junk music. One thing here needs to be noted is these around 200 hits plus hell a lot of so-called-junk(as many mention her) in this 10 years span has very less repetitive scores. 150+ superhits and ~350 "junk" movies still almost-no-repeats, then how come this means BAD quality?
  
  I used ARR *NOT* to say his music is bad but just as an example. I agree that ARR is a great MD who has changed/revolutionised TFM.
  
  Now regarding "IR unable to taking his music beyond SI", so does it mean that IR's music is junk. Then many wud have to say carnatic trinity's music has even limited scope within SI and has not crossed the vindhyas, so theirs is more junk than IR's. Since when ONLY-crossing-barriers mean quality music? If that is there wouldn't be distinct things like carnatic, hindustani, wc, jazz etc.
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.44.235) on: Fri Sep 13 02:24:59 EDT 2002
  
  Naaz you are right.. person like IR who breathes music... and his brother GA has scored music, two songs and daughter are all in the musical field..
  Obviously it must be a house full ot music. So his compositional abilities will only get better and better.. nvd the golden era 1979-86 you mentioned had golden movies.. Not like Tamizh, Tamizhan, Gemini, Dil, Deena, Badri.. It gave him tremendous scope for scoring music. It is just that he is not scoring music for powerful subjects like Nayagan, Dalapathy, Sindu Bairavi, Mouna Raagam, Mudhal Mariyathai, Salangai Oli... Second thing is lot of people just got introduced to hip-hop songs only in the late 90s. It is only the people's taste have changed. Not IR's music.
  He is not working with MR, KB and BR. At present even they don't make good movies. So tamil people were so lucky that Illayaraja scored for those 80s classic movies. One thing we should always remember is, Illayaraja know about the musical trend better than any of us in this TFM. His famous disco songs, "tholin mele" from ninaivellam nithya with african beats... all revolutionized the TFM. He gave the complicated songs in carnatic music in simple form.
  
  Example: he converted the pakka carnatic keerthi "Rara venu gopala" into a dappanguthu song... "Maman veedu machi voodu".. He was at his innovative best.. Don't call it copy.. Because in the song itself Malaysia vasudevan would say "Naan sangeethama padaren.. " endru. He would give a clue that it is a carnatic tune.
  
  " reduced emphasis given to the manipulation of musical instruments he used. " between 87-97
  
  Listen to the following songs and tell me about musical arrangments
  
  1) Maharajanodu Rani vandu - Sadi Leelavathi - 95
  2) Kannale Kadhal Kavithai - Athma - 93
  3) Endhan Nenjil Neengatha - Kalaignan - 93
  4) Sriranga ranga Nadhanin - Mahanadhi - 94
  5) Pattu Poove - Chembaruthi - 92
  6) Oh Kalai Kuyilgale - Unnai Vazthi Padugiren -
  92 (infact all songs from this movies have
  great music)
  7) Illa Nenje Vaa - Vanna Vanna Pookkal - 92
  8) Ival Oru - Brahmma - 91 (Perfect 10 song
  from IR)
  9) April Mayile - Idhayam - 91
  10) Ado Mega Oorvalam - Eeramana Rojave - 91
  11) Keldai Paavaiye - Gopura Vasalile - 91
  12) Rakkama Kaya Thattu - Dalapathy - 91
  13) Vegam Vegam Pogum - Anjali - 90
  14) Motta madi Motta madi - Anjali - 90
  15) Star wars - Anjali - 90
  16) Agaya Vennilave - Arangetravelai - 90
  17) Oru Poongavanam - Agni Natchatiram - 88
  18) Valayosai Kala Kala - Sathya - 88
  19) Oru Kiliyin Thanimiyile - Poovizhi vasalile - 87
  20) Oh Butterfly - Meera - 92
  .....
  These songs are examples for his musical arrangments.. and how its synchs with the song.. I have not mentioned, Devar magan, puthu puthu artangal, keladi kanmani, bommukkutti ammavukku, idhayathai thirudathe, Mohamul, Rajakumaran, Rajathi Raja, Singara Velan, Chinna Tambi, Veera, Ejaman.. Malayil Yaro from chatriyan came in 90.. I consider that is one of the top 10 compositiong from IR. Mannil Indha kadhal came only after 1987.
  Let us not try to shorten his peak period. He is always the same IR with improved knowledge and less friends in the movie field.
  
  
• From: Palani (@ 64.154.67.121) on: Fri Sep 13 02:54:06 EDT 2002
  
  You are right Awe.. Last week i listened to the following songs more number of times any of the new oness.. Ofcourse i listened to "appadi pakkaradenn", "kathe kathe", "manase manase" songs quite a few times.. But one which i listened to more was "Padi vaa thendrale" by PJ from Mudivalla Arambam. good guitar work by IR. I was addicted to the song. just because songs are new that doesn't mean they are better than old songs.
  
  

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