Home   Forum   Wiki   Notes   Register   FAQ   Sitemap   About Us   Contact Us  

7 points if IR seeks a comeback

Topic started by Sriram (@ 136.2.1.153) on Fri Jul 2 11:19:18 EDT 2004.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

1. Stop writing songs (even first few lines..)
2. Use good lyricists like Vairamuthu
3. Work with leading directors
4. Stop singing himself
5. Stop using Bhavadharini
6. Stop listening to "Jalra" parties - Eg: RajKiran, Ramarajan
7. Shed some ego

---

Responses:

• Old responses
  
• From: e (@ 136.2.1.101) on: Fri Jul 9 11:37:22 EDT 2004
  
  Sriram, I believe dhaLapathi & Guru (MY) as strong top 10 contenders which are post-1990. Even today, his capability to create great music is not questionable, especially with unique numbers like 'pAttu cholli' in azhagi. However, it may be true that he has motivation related problems after the scene changed...or it could be age, promotion of children etc.
  
  
• From: To Dorai (@ 205.242.228.31) on: Fri Jul 9 11:48:02 EDT 2004
  
  Dorai,
  
  The argument was not about my name. People can use any name in a public forum. How can I be sure, that Dorai is ur real name? Dont digress from the topic.
  
  Every Director makes movies with his own style.. B/W or Color. The question is abt whether he's a BIG director. And he IS. He's made all kinds of movies, appealing to all audiences. He's even made HIT movies in Hindi (Ek Duje Ke Liye) which reached an all-India audience!
  
  The names you put out regarding BR/MR launches are nowhere near the class, achievement of Kamal/Rajni/Sridevi/Chiranjeevi (telugu)..
  
  I rest my case now.
  
  --Madrasguy
  
  
• From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11) on: Fri Jul 9 11:49:00 EDT 2004
  
  Sriram,
  
  "I also like IR as a Musician, but not as a person. (another example Lata Mangheskar)"
  
  We know IR only through media. If IR refuses to be a person as expected by media people, they could write wrong about him. That does not make him a bad person and it is his choice.
  
  However, I would give 50% chance that what media portrays him to be true. If you ask the people who met him personally, they give diagonally opposite story about him. That's what surpises me.
  
  I like IR as a musician. IR as a person, I don't know what he is. That is my take.
  
  
• From: Dorai again.. (@ 205.242.228.75) on: Fri Jul 9 11:53:59 EDT 2004
  
  Bhagyaraj is a genuine talent. I respect his skills. Still, I would say achievements, class of Kamal/Rajini/Sridevi/Chiranjeevi are bigger..
  
  --Madrasguy
  
  
• From: Sriram (@ 136.1.1.33) on: Fri Jul 9 12:59:20 EDT 2004
  
  Anbe Sivam,
  
  Why should media potray him bad? What do they get?
  
  Let us see...
  1) Is not ture all leading directors left IR
  2) VM-IR fight is well known in TFM. (and you know IR initiated it...I am not saying VM is all good...)
  3) IR insulted all lyricists...(in public)
  
  Can you show me an one more expample where a whole-lot of people against one person?
  
  And you say "rest of the world" is at fault.
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 198.16.9.11) on: Fri Jul 9 13:07:36 EDT 2004
  
  Madras Guy,
  My real name is Dorai.
  
  Anyway, I thought your case is rested. Lets reopen it for appeal. But, you are sure to lose!!!
  
  Kamal - Was a child prodigy (Kalathur Kannama). But I don't deny KB's involvement and coaching Kamal. BR also brought the best out of Kamal in 16 vayathinile which was a major milestone for his acting talent. BR also brought the best out of Kamal in Sigappu Rojakkal and Kaithiyin Dairy.
  Rajini too had a great role in BR. I am not saying that BR introduced them to Tamil Film industry. KB has also had a great influence from BR and he has openly admitted it several times. KB's shot selections changed dramatically after BR came in the TF scene. For that matter, all directors have had the influence to elumate BR. He is the most imaginative/creative director that I have ever seen so far (and that includes even MR).
  
  Coming to the point, Kamal, Rajini, Sivaji, MGR are like rare gems. Its not important who introduced them. Even, if Rajini is introduced by Rajkiran he would have still become a big star. Its how they shape themselves that's important. One movie alone does not make a star. For that matter, I don't give full credits to BR for Bagyaraj's success. Bagyaraj would have been a star even otherwise for his sheer writing and narration skills.
  
  As far as KB goes, I like him as a writer. He is not technically as competent as BR, MR and other big directors. His strength is story narration. He is technically very ordinary, hyped by the media. He has not given big hits across all class of people.
  
  
• From: e (@ 136.2.1.101) on: Fri Jul 9 13:22:34 EDT 2004
  
  Anbe Sivam,
  Your comment ...'However, I would give 50% chance that what media portrays him to be true. If you ask the people who met him personally, they give diagonally opposite story about him. That's what surpises me.'... appears to mean that media throws muck on IR most of the time, which is not true. It is another creation of some notorious DFers, who claim to have 'insider information in the industry' or follow certain kuppai magazines like vAramalar (sunday supplement of an OK newspaper, Dinamalar) etc. The overall picture from media is not so much bad.
  
  IR may have a distaste for some media people which is understandable (even I personally dislike some journalists who write lies for a profession...e.g. some who write for Junior Vikatan so much of outright lies and slander in the name of investigative journalism, despite being part of the reputed Anadha vikatan family with a great legacy). Such characters would have written some spurious articles in the past. However not many of them appear anymore and most of the impression of IR being headstrong etc. was created by some because of their own ego or poRAmai...It is a well known fact that there are not so much of `morals' in cine industry anyway...
  
  However, if you have been following Anandha Vikatan for a long time, you can vouch for the fact that it always had high regards for IR, including his personality...tons of articles and interviews appeared over the years in that weekly which portrayed him as a warm, simple, humble person...
  
  There's a third angle to this : most people have multiple facets to their personality (maRu pakkam...veettil / veLiyil...irattai vAzhkai etc.) and only the individual'll know what is his `majority' personality and not anybody else...
  
  Bottom line - enjoy IR's music, don't worry too much about how he deals with others (unless you plan to make a movie:-))
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 198.16.9.11) on: Fri Jul 9 13:39:54 EDT 2004
  
  e,
  enjoy IR's music, don't worry too much about how he deals with others (unless you plan to make a movie:-))
  
  Well said.
  
  
  
• From: e (@ 136.2.1.101) on: Fri Jul 9 13:50:11 EDT 2004
  
  Sriram,
  1. Directors may have a say in the choice of MD AT TIMES but not always...similarly producers, Hero, distributors all may have a say in the selection of technician...With big names like IR(in the past) and ARR(now), even MD can choose whom and which film to work with often...
  
  So your blanket statement all leading directors leaving IR isn't 100% true...first of all the main ones who left were KB, MR & BR...your statement cannot be applied to all but one...i.e. KB (who worked for only a few films with IR BTW - sindhubhairavi, punnagai mannan, unnAl mudiyum thambi, manadhil uRudhi vENdum and pudhu pudhu arthangaL, out of the 100's of hits of IR).
  
  MR's case was a big loss for IR...though MR came into scene when IR was already ruling TFM, he became very popular with a string of hits and was backed up by a producer-politician brother who floated even a public company (GV films - the failure of which eventually led to his suicide)...Again in MR's case, it is alleged it was the producer (KB for Roja) who insisted in change of MD and not MR who wanted IR out (which sane businessman will like to drop after the success of dhaLapathi music for a new comer). Since ARR clicked, there was no reason to go back to IR...
  
  In BR's case, it was IR who probably refused to work with VM and left his project (some Sathyaraj movie and then a Rajini film)...remember BR went back to IR for a while...so where is the question of IR getting rejected?
  
  I cannot think of any other big name director who left IR and stayed prominent in the field ...most rose with IR and disppeared from the scene after a while...Some like Fazil, BM stayed with him. Bhagyaraj had been switching MD's from the beginning (he has worked with MSV, GA, S-G before even doing his first film with IR I think and then tried to imitate TR by composing music himself, then went to S-G...this man was another with big ego, wanted to become another MGR but disappeared from the scene)...
  
  2. VM even foul mouthed ARR and there had been a time period when ARR chose not to work with him. It is not abnormal in cine field to have this kind of things...how many people KD would have had issues with? Again IR was much popular before the arrival of VM and remained popular after their clash too...I won't consider VM as a factor at all in IR's market value...all Sridhar/IR combo movies were vAli...agninakshathram was vAli...One of the all-time blackbusters, karagAttakkAran had gangai amaran for most part...
  
  3. IR insulting all lyricists...how it can affect his market? Are lyricists the producers or directors or heroes to have such a big say?
  
  
• From: e (@ 136.2.1.101) on: Fri Jul 9 14:36:52 EDT 2004
  
  Coming back to the topic of ""IR staging a comeback by working with big name directors"" ...
  
  I feel it is the other way around...IR's downfall was probably due to his more-than-the-due-share-treatment to these very big directors (I don't mean talented but big-name) during late 80's and early 90's and neglecting other budding talents thus diminishing his position of "standing on his own value"...
  
  As long as he had his own string of hits kept coming up without reliance on any of the big-names, and focussing on music and music only without bothering about cassette companies / cassette sales etc, the huge success of T Rajendar, Manoj-Gyan or Chandrabose never affected him. There had been big hits without IR year after year but IR stood on his victory stand of music on a high pedestal always. Remember even AVM tried alternates but failed to reduce his importance, despite the movies becoming big hits.
  
  When he started giving better stuff to only KB, MR and such big-name fellows -probably ignoring small timers and budding talents- it back fired. It made him vulnerable and reliant upon marketing forces rather than music.
  
  He chose to probably ignore his solid foundation - to please these marketing savvy creatures...who became so big, ultimately changing the face of the whole music business, making MD (and even quality / originality of music) unimportant in the game finally - to the pre-IR levels as a mere technician.
  
  Proof: If you read SPB's interview in Kumudam this week, even ARR -despite his position of strength- admit being pushed to listen to what `THEY' say and losing out on his quality of output...
  
  IR's success and strong position was synonymous with the success of an icon called MD...now MD is only an eduppAr kaippiLLai, a `sponsored' technician, a mere toy who dances (composes) according to what cassette/ CD the marketing gurus bring to him.
  
  Sad to say, if you analyse virumANdi, it looks (sounds) like IR doing a bommalAttam in the hands of the producer/director/hero, the once-talented-now-megalomaniac kamal:-(
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 198.16.9.11) on: Fri Jul 9 14:42:42 EDT 2004
  
  e,
  Good points.
  
  The satyraj movie was -- Vedham Pudhidu
  Rajini Movie was -- ???
  
  Yes, IR did not work with VM on BR movies. VM and BR belong to the same Thevar caste/community and had stronger affinity to each other. BR did not want to leave VM so prefered to work with other MDs. But soon, he realized what he was missing in IR and came back to him.
  
  All the so called big directors started directing music, commanding change of tunes without even realizing/paying good attention to what IR was giving them. IR did not want to loose his originality and dance to the crazy whims and fancies of the directors. That let to ego clashes and some of them deserted.
  
  

---

List all pages of this thread

Post comments