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Did MSV have ANY musical defects?

Topic started by SR Kaushik (@ nova1.cs.wisc.edu) on Wed Sep 30 15:21:55 EDT 1998.
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Let me make one thing clear: I am not against MSV, but am merely curious about this topic.

I have made an interesting observation. We have so many criticisms of IR and ARR, but I've not seen any criticism of MSV. I haven't listened to many MSV songs, but I wasn't very impressed by whatever I have heard on TV. Whatever it is, I cannot imagine that he did not have any musical defects. Could anyone point them out? I am very interested. It might test the "objectivity" of certain "objective" people regarding the IR-ARR "war"(I'm not hinting at anyone, please do not misunderstand this), but nevertheless, I want to pursue this.

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• From: K (@ 63.48.63.144) on: Sat Mar 16 19:13:24 EST 2002
  
  See these songs onscreen to get a feel of MSV's songs' visual feel:
  
  Nilavai Paarthu Vaanam Sonnadhu (for a "sad" night's feeling)
  Mana Medai MalargaLudan Deepam (for a "first" night's feeling)
  Ponaal Pogattum POdaa (for a "death" night's feeling)
  Unnai Ondru KEtpen (2nd version) (for a "passionate" night's feeling)
  Paal POlave (for a "longing" night's feeling)
  
  
• From: K (@ 63.48.63.144) on: Sat Mar 16 19:25:20 EST 2002
  
  hari, thanks for quoting the songs "PoonkadhavE" and "kavidhai keLungaL" to say what fusion is and is not, respectively. Now, I can feel what fusion is even though I can't express!
  
  
• From: ravish (@ ) on: Fri Aug 23 21:39:37 EDT 2002
  
  Besides the above topics, could you folks tell me if MSV was conferred with National Awards? The unassuming, honest-to-goodness has been an uncrowned King of Light Music? What say you?
  
  
• From: ravish (@ 66.176.224.74) on: Fri Aug 23 21:40:41 EDT 2002
  
  Besides the above topics, could you folks tell me if MSV was conferred with National Awards? The unassuming, honest-to-goodness personage has been an uncrowned King of Light Music? What say you?
  
  
• From: Sathish A Great fan of MSV (@ ) on: Sat Sep 14 21:41:13 EDT 2002
  
  good to see all of your observations about MSV.
  
  MSV is a very special MD of all times with "no ego". Reason is that he scored for MGR/Shivaji/MK Muthu/Karunanidhi/Cho (all are kind of politicians during their periods). We cant compare any MDs because time seperates them. I find one observation - that is when Illaiyaraja came to TFM in 1975, MSV was there till 1983-84. I think in 1983-84 there were 4 major "diwali" films released for MSV (Ranuva Veeran/Keezh Vaanam Sivakkum/Andha Yezhu Natkal/Thanneer Thanneer) for Illaiyaraja only BR's Bala Naagamma!! where as when ARR came to TFM Illaiyaraja faded after Thalapathi 1992-93.
  This shows the perseverance of the personalities.
  Ofcourse MSV would have tired because Jenova to Senthamizh Paattu! the span is too much and he scored more than 1000 films which no MD did yet.
  
  "I used to believe MSV songs did not have image/visual feel like IR songs." - this statement was wrong. Please check the following songs - "Valamana Boomiyil", "Neela Nayanangalil", "Oru Osaiyindri Mounamaga", "Kaatrukkenna Veli Kadalukkenna", "Adhisaya Raagam", "Pon Magal Vandhal","Kannanai Ninaikkadha Nallillaiye","Yamuna Nadhi Yenge","Sittukkurivikkenna Kattuppadu", "Yaadhum Oore Yaavarum". The best example is "Pachai Kili Muthu Charam" The greatest song ever scored by any MD. You just hear the opening bass of the song - it is a "Touch of Class" - what an imagination one could have to compose this piece!!
  MSV is truly a gem of a musician and THE king of "Light Music".
  
  Just FYI, MSV was not confined by any of the actors in music composition. He in fact told MGR "Nalla Perai Vaanga Vendum Pillaigale" song should not be modified and there was a different perception between MGR and MSV and finally MSV convinced MGR and the song was great hit.
  
  Conclusion is "I have heard many music and MD but I have never seen an MD like Thambi Viswanathan" -Kannadhasan.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Sun Sep 15 08:00:06 EDT 2002
  
  Satish
  
  
  In SL s continued Vanavasam we need someone to discuss MSV.Please contuinue the discussion with MSV s Pallavi style.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.156.2.138) on: Sun Sep 15 10:49:17 EDT 2002
  
  "where as when ARR came to TFM Illaiyaraja faded after Thalapathi 1992-93"
  
  May be this guy is living in another planet & there is another MSV or IR or ARR. But definitely, from what he says, he's not from planet earth!
  
  :)
  
  
• From: G-a GREAT FAN OF RAJA (@ 129.49.80.179) on: Sun Sep 15 11:36:42 EDT 2002
  
  SATHISH...WHO SAID ILAYARAJA FADED...PLEASE DONT VAMBU IZHUTHUFY OUR RAJA TO THIS THREAD....OUR RAJA IS ALWAYS THE RAJA TO THE RAJA....
  
  
• From: Sathish A Great fan of MSV (@ 68.18.66.205) on: Sun Sep 15 14:57:16 EDT 2002
  
  do you guys think this is the best come back of illai after 1992? it is a big joke!! I cant even think he is even competing with his sons!! (and then to Deva and then to ARR!!) - I love his pre-92 songs with whole heartedly. Please accept the fact as it always bitters. Even MSV's Ganga Yamuna Saraswathi was greatest hit - how is it?
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 66.138.140.161) on: Sun Sep 15 17:57:01 EDT 2002
  
  Yea Right... Ambleen.. sathish is another wolf in sheep clothes.. Acting as an MSV fan give him slightly more immunity to attack IR. But what this guy doesn't know is we know what he is upto. If IR has not given good music after 1992-93 then ARR has never touched the keyboard.
  
  
• From: Sathish A Great fan of MSV (@ 68.18.81.118) on: Sun Sep 15 19:17:12 EDT 2002
  
  cool down guys! I am not saying illaiyaraja is a bad MD. He is one of the gems "TFM" ever produced. So is MSV and ARR. As time passess the music taste and the musical forms, styles & culture changes. These MDs have to accept their inability to lure their music fans. I accepted MSV and IR about their inability to attract the music fans because they have not changed their style of composition and the same thing may be applicable for ARR after some time! This does not mean that MSV is bad/IR is bad/ARR is bad. Please read between lines and dont jump into any conclusion as IR already said that "Music is a magic" and now i am saying "so is the taste of the music fans".
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 66.138.140.161) on: Sun Sep 15 20:20:04 EDT 2002
  
  IR still attracts whole lot of groups.. if you have doubts.. go and see Ivan review, Lajja BGM reviews, Hey Ram reviews.. just because you don't like IR doesn't mean entire world doesn't like him. He has issues with major directors like MR, BR, KB.. That's why he is not scoring music for them. IR gave music well ahead of time even those days. 'Kaviriye Kavikkuyile', 'Pudhiya Poovidhu Poothadu' are still fresh tunes.. So don't include IR in MSV list. MSV has retired. But IR is still composing. I listen to Ivan songs everyday. So don't generalize your opinion.
  
  
• From: Sathish A Great fan of MSV (@ 68.18.82.136) on: Sun Sep 15 21:27:58 EDT 2002
  
  u must be a IR chauvanist! Tell me how many golden hits IR gave after 1992. tell me honestly on comparable to Deva or even Bharadwaj! IR is composing and is trying for a big come back but his style has become stero type to the best of my "35 years" of music knowledge and only AWE likes deliberately!!
  
  BTW, u confessed that IR has issues with Directors. U read my first response in this forum "good to see all of your observations about MSV. MSV is a very special MD of all times with "no ego". Reason is that he scored for MGR/Shivaji/MK Muthu/Karunanidhi/Cho (all are kind of politicians during their periods)". IR is the most egoistic/egotistic personality in the entiere music community. U know one thing he critisized Vairamuthu 4 or 5 years back on "Andhi Mazhai" song. Why in the world IR did not critize him at the time of writing the song itself. I know the reason for fighting with these Directors/Producers and Super Stars but they all are child like act. Tell me one thing why Kamal did not recognize IR now-a-days? Tell me why after scoring 750 films IR could not pass 1000? he may pass soon hopefully - but look at the gap since 1992. first 750 was faster than the last 250 of the 1000 IR films.
  
  BTW, i know more about IR than U. have u ever heard of "Manadhasai Akki Haadu" just go listen the song and come back and talk about IR. I am more IR fan than u guys. I still accept the fact that he is "tired" and may be getting re-"tired". Dont talk anything pre-92 songs as i mentioned earlier they are great IR hits.
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.56.244) on: Sun Sep 15 21:57:35 EDT 2002
  
  Ejaman
  Marupadiyum
  Valli
  Walter Vetrivel
  Maha Nadhi
  Priyanka
  Rajakumaran
  Sethupathi IPS
  Veera
  Veetla Vishaeshanga
  Avadharam
  Moha Mull
  Kadhal Kavithai
  Andha Puram
  Kangalin Varthaigal
  Friends
  Time
  Bharathi
  kannukkul Nilavu
  Ivan
  Kadhalukk Mariyathai
  Devathai
  Hey Ram
  Azaghi
  .. These movies came after 1992... After 1992 Karthik Raja and Yuvan Shankar Raja entered.. he was not taking too many projects.. He not only scores music for songs but also something called 'BGM' if you have heard of. His ability to give life to movie with his BGM is widely acclaimed by all people something which is beyond comprehension for the people like Deva, ARR. For someone who worked day in day out.. for 1976-1992 (your period)... it will take the toll on him. He still scored music for more movies than ARR during that period. Now you go ahead and list the "so called hits of" deva after 1992.. Don't you see the way MDs like ARR and Deva copy all over the world. Deva is the primary culprit of using IR's tunes. How can you even compare Deva with IR. Who said Kamal is not recognizing IR?
  
  
  " I have worked with several composers. But this man (Mr.Ilayaraaja) is on his own trip - he is a colossal talent. We have worked together in around 70 films and we know each other's requirements and expectations very well. He saw the rushes of the film (Hey Ram!) just once and immediately decided the music to be scored for the song sequences that have already been picturised. I told my film crew to give me a week's time and that I will come back with one song in that time - instead I came back with seven songs !! - Padma Shri Kamal Hassan, India's ace actor (Source : "Screen", February, 2000 Edition) "
  
  Don't assume things.. IR commands respect from everybody.
  
  
• From: God (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Sun Sep 15 22:21:58 EDT 2002
  
  Satish, don't waste time with this nut.
  To him, Ivan is the biggest hit of the decade! Just laugh him off.
  
  Can you belief this quoting of Hey Ram? A movie where IR was the second choice?
  Let them live in their own world. We won't shatter their dream-like existence, until they cross the borders.
  
  
• From: Ayo Pattikkitchu (@ 24.156.49.133) on: Sun Sep 15 22:39:56 EDT 2002
  
  Even when MSV had many musical defects, people did not notice them because of other factors, like good lyrics, songs suitability to the situation, the way it was filmed etc, made his songs a complete success. Now days none of IR songs has any meaningful lyrics or suits to a particular situation, so his success merely depends on his music. That's why some directors have used IR songs for dog duets & animal chasing. ARR has identified IR's weakness and has given lot of importance to these two factors so his songs would never fail to capture peoples hearts & minds. So even when MSV & ARR music defects, listeners would fail to notice them unlike IR songs, where listeners would always criticise or stop listening to his songs completely.
  
  

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