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All-Time Great Lyrics in TFM!

Topic started by Bhaskar (@ spider-wa062.proxy.aol.com) on Fri Jun 19 01:52:00 EDT 1998.
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Friends,

Shall we discuss about some all time
great Lyrics in TFM by any Lyricist independent
of which Era in TFM!

Lyrics should be peculiar in writing, peculiar
in meaning, different in thinking, it has to be
different from the usual ones. It has to be
Unique in its approach/writing!

I shall give a few examples of some Lyrics
which I feel is very different and unique in its
style of writing, meaning and thinking!

Thanks
Bhaskar

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• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tp03.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Jun 20 14:17:16 EDT 1998
  
  Kanchana:
  
  Andha atthikkaai pattu meaning ippo suthamaa
  purinju irundhadhum marandhu pOchu, I shall try
  to analyse again and try to post the exact
  meaning of each line again this evening!
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-ti051.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Jun 20 14:36:22 EDT 1998
  
  Bhaskar:
  Your logic behind the "mottai vaNdi" is absolutely hilarious! But then again, that's the humor we all expect from you, right? :-)
  
  Do you want me to post a line-by-line meaning of aththikkAi? If so, let me know, and I'll do so within the next hour. It will be such a pleasure to delve into those type of "meaty" songs from kaNNadhAsan.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tp03.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Jun 20 15:04:14 EDT 1998
  
  
  Kanchana:
  
  Ayyaiyyo! That Motor vandi was not a
  humour from me! It was something serious that I
  was planning to do when I go to India :-))))))
  
  Neenga adhai Humour-nnu solli ennai motor
  vaangadha oru nalla payyannu solli paechu mattha
  paakkureenga! :-)))))
  
  motor vandiyai paartha piragu dhaan
  ponnaiyaE paarkkuradhu! Decided! :-)))
  
  Approm, andha aththikkAi song-ukku
  line-by-line explanation kudutheengana enakku
  irukkura konjam confusion kuraiyumnnu naan
  ninaikkuraen! Thanks in Advance!
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-tp03.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Jun 20 16:05:25 EDT 1998
  
  Bhaskar:
  Now I know you are really joking! :)
  
  Here is the line-by-line meaning for aththikkAi song:
  
  Setting: Sung by two sets of newly-weds under the full-moon (always conveniently available in movies).
  
  aththikkaai kaai kaai aalangaai veNNilavae
  visham poalak kodiya (aalangaaiyaip poalak kasakkum) veNNilavae, nee vERu dhisayil kaai
  
  iththikkAi kaayaadhae ennaip poal peNNallavoa
  indha dhisaiyil kaayaadhae, ennaip poal neeyum nANam niRaindha oru peNdhaanae
  
  kannikkaai aasaikkaai kaadhal koNda paavaikkaai
  angae kaai avaraik kaai mangai endhan kOvaik kaai
  indhak kannikkaaga, ivaL avar mEl koNda aasaikkaaga, avar mEl kaadhal koNda indha paavaikkaaga
  nee en mannan/thalaivanaagiya avar irukkum dhisaiyil avaridam kObam koL/oLi veesu (kaai has two meanings)
  
  maadhuLangaai aanaalum ennuLam kaai aagumO
  indha peNNin manam kaai pOl aanaalum en uLLam avaLidam kaayaadhu
  
  ennai nee kaayaadhae ennuyirum neeyallavoa
  self-explanatory
  
  iravukkaai uRavukkaai Engum indha Ezhaikkaai entire stanza is self-explanatory too
  
  Elakkaai vaasanai poal engaL uLLam vaazhak kaai
  thOlinnuL irundhu maNam veesum Elakkaiyaip pOl engaLiruvar manangaLum naRumaNaththOdu vaazha oLi veesu
  
  jAdhikkaai pettagam poal thanimai inbam kaniyak kaai
  moodi vaiththirukkum jaadhikkaai petti poal thanimai inbam etc..
  
  sonnadhellaam viLangaayO thoodhu vazhangaai veNNilaa
  sonnadhu purigiRadhae, adhaith thoodhaaga pOi avaLidam solvaai nilavae
  
  uLLamelaam iLagaayoa ovvoru pEchchuraikkaayoa
  un uLLam iLagi ennidam nee oru sollaavadhu ennidam pEsa maattaayoa
  
  veLLarikkaai piLandhadhu poal veNNilavae sirikkaayoa
  self-explanatory
  
  kOdhai enaik kaayaadhae kotRavaraik kaai veNNilaa
  peNNaagiya ennaik kaayaadhae, ennaik koNda mannavaraagiya ivaraik kaai, nilavae
  
  iruvaraiyum kaayaadhae thanimaiyil Engaai veNNilaa
  nilavae, nee engaL iruvaridamum kaayaadhu, engaLai vittup pOi, un thanimaiyai eNNi Enguvaayaaga!
  
  That's it, I think.
  
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-tp03.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Jun 20 16:06:30 EDT 1998
  
  Oops close italics
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-ti013.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Jun 20 23:06:30 EDT 1998
  
  Was mulling over this lyrics discussion during a rather stiff, formal dinner get-together today. Some thoughts to share....
  
  In ponnezhil poothadhu pudhu vaanil, there seems to be a clever wordplay in the second line of the following couplet:
  kiNNam nirambida chenganich chARuNNa
  munvandha chevvandhi mAlai engE
  The possibility of two interpretations in the second line had escaped me all these years; not sure if the wordplay is intended by the lyricist.
  
  Now, moving on from ponnezhil and aththikkaai I'm wondering if any of the following two "songs" are unique in terms of "lyrics".
  1. pEttai rap from kaadhalan
  2. oorvasi oorvasi from kaadhalan
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Sat Jun 20 23:30:28 EDT 1998
  
  Kanchana:
  
  Thanks for the explanation for aruNagirinaadhar's
  song. The first line is "muththaiththiru". I am
  also confused about the first line. Your explanation
  for the next 5 lines look very right. We probably
  have to look for a good help for getting the exact
  meanings of other lines.
  
  Your explanation for 'aththikkaai' song is useful
  because, in my experience in talking to people,
  I find that many think of this song to be just a
  routine naming of various 'kaais' in order to have
  a rhyming.
  
  There's a story behind the endha oor song:
  
  oru muRai arinjar aNNA, kazhaga naNbar oruvarai,
  'engirundhu varugiRAy' endru kEttaar. adhaRkku
  avar, 'karuvoorilirundhu varugiREn' endraar.
  udanE aNNA, 'ellOrum karuvoorilirundhu saavoorukku
  pOgiRavargaLdhaam' endru kooRinaaraam. arugil
  irundha kaNNadhAsan idhanai rasiththaar. avaradhu
  kaRpanai, 'kAttu rOjA' padaththil ip paadalaaga
  malarndhadhu.
  
  idhil 18 'oorgaL' varugindrana. mudhal charaNaththil
  'udaloor, uRavoor, karuvoor, maNNoor' endra oorgaL
  varum iru varigaLil kavinjar manidha piRappai
  patri sollugiRAr. pinnar, 'kaNNoor, kaiyoor,
  kaaloor, kaaLaiyoor' endra oorgaL varum varigaLil
  'human growth till youth' patri solgiRAr. appuRam,
  'vEloor, vizhiyoor' varigaLil, paadalai paadum
  manidhan oru peNNidam kaadhal vayappattadhai
  solgiRAr. 'kAttu rOjA' padaththil, hero SSR
  and heroine Padmini are in love. (As usual), Padminiyin
  appAvukku idhu pidikkaamal pOga, avaLai oru
  idaththil pOi maRaikka, like all heroes, SSR
  thinks that Padmini has ditched him. appO varum
  sOgap paadalthaan idhu. meedhi varum varigaLil, adhaavadhu,
  'kaadhaloor, kaattoor, kanniyoor, kadaloor,
  paLLaththoor, mEttoor' endra oorgaL varum varigaLil
  kavinjar idhaiththaan sollugiRAr. kadaisi 2
  varigaLil 'keezhoor' enbadhu boomiyaiyum,
  'mEloor' enbadhu maraNaththaiyum kuRikkum.
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Sun Jun 21 00:42:23 EDT 1998
  
  There are some verses in songs where you go from
  one idea to another, A --> B --> C ... and at the
  end you see the clarity of the whole thing. I find
  such verses unique and interesting. Let me give
  two examples.
  
  1. kaadhaliththal paavamendraal kaNgaLum paavamandrO
  kaNgaLE paavamendraal peNmaiyE paavamandrO
  peNmaiyE paavamendraal mannavarin thaay yaarO
  
  2.paarkkath therindhaal paadhai theriyum
  paarththu nadandhaal paadhai thodarum
  payaNam thodarndhaal kadhavu thiRakkum
  kadhavu thiRandhaal kaatchi kidaikkum
  kaatchi kidaiththaal kavalai theerum
  kavalai theerndhaal vaazhalaam
  
  Are there more like these?
  
  
• From: pg (@ client-116-14.bellatlantic.net) on: Sun Jun 21 08:33:54 EDT 1998
  
  Kanchana :
  
  in athikkAi, there is a line which says veNNilavE nee thidhikkAyO.
  
  I always used to wonder what this means : is he referring to thidhi's ?
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-wa022.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Jun 21 10:39:26 EDT 1998
  
  Keerthi:
  Thank you for sharing that story behind endha oor. The best bet to get the full meaning for muththaitharu baththith thirunagai may be to contact the local "saiva siththAndha sabhai" or its equivalent. Your observation re transitive logic in lyrics is a good one; I'll do some research and get back.
  
  PG:
  I had a great time laughing when I saw your question; please forgive me. :-)
  What makes it humorous is that the word sirikkAyO sounds like thidhikkAyO due to PBS's thamizh pronunciation(!). I rewound my cassette and listened to that spot several times and realized why you thought it was thidhikkAyO. The actual line:
  veLLarikkAi piLandhadhu pOl veNNilavE nee sirikkAyO
  :-)
  
  
• From: murali (@ pm1-dbq125.dubuque.net) on: Sun Jun 21 12:55:10 EDT 1998
  
  Few more:
  
  - 'Theyroattaum ananda chenbagha poovaAtam' from Nool veli (KB's movie)
  
  - 'Thenpandi theEn nila...' from Mounam Sammatham. a Mammoty starrer. Who wrote the lyrics for this song?
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Sun Jun 21 14:34:22 EDT 1998
  
  
  Kanchana:
  
  I was not even close to 10% of the meaning that
  you have mentioned for the Atthikkai Song.
  
  Tamizh is really a amazing Language to learn!
  It is a never ending learning curve ......
  
  Thanks again for the meanings ....
  
  The best I liked which I never thought was ...
  
  Elakkaai vaasanai poal engaL uLLam vaazhak kaai
  
  
  
  thOlinnuL irundhu maNam veesum Elakkaiyaip pOl
  engaLiruvar manangaLum naRumaNaththOdu vaazha oLi veesu
  
  I was touched by this explanation....
  
  Running short of words to praise Kannadhasan!
  
  Keerthi Sir:
  
  Unga Endha oor endravanae explanation
  DhooL! Also I was stunned by the amazing meaning
  in the lines which you mentioned as A->B->C
  transistion ......
  
  
  kaadhaliththal paavamendraal kaNgaLum paavamandrO
  kaNgaLE paavamendraal peNmaiyE paavamandrO
  peNmaiyE paavamendraal mannavarin thaay yaarO ?
  
  
  My answer to your lines :
  
  
  KaNgal iruppadhu Kadhalippadharkku illai
  peNgal iruppadhu kaNgalukku illai
  Thaai iruppadhu peNmai endru karudhuvadharkku illai
  kaNNukku kaanum deivam endru vanaguvadharkku!
  
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Sun Jun 21 14:45:29 EDT 1998
  
  Kanchana:
  
  I am just pondering over the two interpretations
  that caught your mind!
  
  
  kiNNam nirambida chenganich chARuNNa
  munvandha chevvandhi mAlai engE
  
  
  One straight forward interpretation for me
  is a peN in the second line.
  
  What could be the other possible interpretaion ?
  
  Chevvandhi mAlaiyil irukkum chevvandhi pookallil
  ulla thaen-nai suvaikka varum vandugalO ? :-))))
  
  Please clarify the curiosity!
  
  

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