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Topic started by bb (@ 24.4.254.104) on Tue Feb 20 03:21:22 EST 2001.
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Hi! We've made a major addition to newtfmpage, and that is a big song bank. Dhool features thousands of songs for your listening pleasure. This site is a part of the newtfmpage.com - swara.com group. Together with newtfmpage, we wish to make this the best place to listen to tamil film songs online and know about tamil film music. Our collection includes old, new, famous, rare and unheard of songs. We are still fine tuning and fixing the database errors, so please bear with us. We value your feedback, and this will help us build the site better. Please post your comments below or mail to comments@newtfmpage.com.
This work was done by us (bb and RR) with MS and swara.com ravi.

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• From: Rani Padmini (@ 208.134.115.240) on: Thu Jul 10 16:55:00 EDT 2003
  
  Speaking one's mind begets gangsterism. Rather than instrospecting, people like to gang up and assault. No wonder there is a such a scarcity of women here.
  GOOD BYE!
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.136.27.31) on: Thu Jul 10 19:44:54 EDT 2003
  
  Rani,
  Gang up and assault? Introspect a little and you can see who did the assaulting. Besides, this is an electronic forum, no ganging up is possible. If you post a response addressing everyone who has opposed your views, then you have equalled their might word for word.
  
  Feminism and womens' rights are worthy causes that deserve better than the service you or Naaz have rendered it. A male describing a female as macho or masculine should not render him an MCP. It just shows that male's preference in a woman's appearance. If you feel his opinion is narrow-minded or dated, you can state it. But do you believe you have a right to dictate to a guy on whom he should find attractive? That's not feminism or being sensitive to women. That's just misguided angst at patriarchy coming out on the wrong issue. I find Padmini and Radha's shoulders to resemble NFL linebackers. I prefer women who don't have wide shoulders and big faces. Hey, should I be shot for stating this? Does this mean I only like coy, demure women? Hardly. Does that mean I'm an MCP? I just have a certain preference in the way a female looks. I've heard women tear apart men for the way they look. My cousin sisters are merciless at this, but it's their prerogative. I've seen women post in the forum fawning over male movie stars. Now, should men feel degraded by this? Of course, not. We should all have the right to display our likes and dislikes regarding public figures. Keeping it tasteful would be nice for the readers, but that rarely seems to work here.
  
  If the poster had said anything derogatory about a female participant, he would've been put in his place. A public figure is a whole other issue. They're public property, at least in conversations and discussions. We have heard every kind of criticism levelled on P. Suseela, SJ, PBS, Jency, IR, ARR, Udit, the list goes on without a specific gender, race, caste, or other bias. People say how they feel about artists. That's what this forum is for. If you felt that the "macho" comment was objectionable, you could've certainly aired it in a different way.
  
  Your manner and politics are hardly warranted here, especially in this instance. Of course, that's just my opinion. You don't have to agree. You can certainly shoot back at me an acid response. As long as it borders on civility, I will welcome it and respond to it. After all a truly strong, righteous woman wouldn't cower and retreat at a bunch of MCPs now, would she?
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219) on: Thu Jul 10 20:57:14 EDT 2003
  
  Udhaya -
  
  Frankly, I never thought the day would come. It was purgatory, or thereabouts, waiting for you to address me by my name, however pseudo it may be. It's a first of sorts (in my recent memory around here,) and it already puts me in a good mood. Twice in a day. One more, and I’d claim grand slam.
  
  Naaz or Rani Padmini is a bit misleading. “And” I believe.
  She’s her own person.
  
  Right-off, let me say "d*ckhead" was used rather self-consciously. MCP sounds anachronistic - and boring. The merits of "d*ckhead" lie in its gender specificity, indeed, and that is also really the point of its usage, wouldn't you say? What has brought up this issue? The use of "macho" as a "put-down" to describe a woman. Not a “man’s preference on how a woman should look.” Nothing quite so benign. It is more on the lines of: How dare she be majestic and self-possessed - like a "man"? The corollary for this was the dropping of an Indian feminist's name, once again, indulgently. Dismissive, essentially.
  Sorry, but I don't see the humour in it.
  And here's what I can't believe: for someone who has consistantly startled me with his brilliance and insights, you don't see the irony of it all. I must admit, this is a bit of letdown and I know I'll have to deal with it later (I get that feeling every time I post here, do you?) But I can talk about the sag a bit, if only to drown in it soon enough.
  
  If the humourlessness of my use of "d*ckhead" - a man using it to describe his own kind - disturbs you, how is it that you only see a mild affront, and that too at a stretch, in the employment of "macho" to describe a woman - but miss the inherent political sexism in its usage?
  
  If "coy, submissive, squeaky" were such wondrous qualities I'm puzzled why they don't work for men - or if they do, why is it once again, another misogynist put-down? As in: Don’t be a “woman”?
  
  Does a man’s calling a woman “macho” and a woman (your cousins, let’s say) calling a man a “sissy” have the same connotation in the larger world? As “put downs,” one’s a university, the other a Montessori. The architectural (never mind sociological) inequities of usage and effect couldn’t be starker.
  About the “huh”:
  
  I haven't come across a study that concludes that heterosexual women everywhere sit around once every so often, patting themselves for being such "coy, submissive, squeaky" role models. Have you? I know my lesbian cousin would freak if I used those words to describe her, or even, like - her doormat. Not that I would. My heterosexual women friends would stop calling me altogether.
  Still, just as I contemplate such dire scenarios, I feel inwardly serene, an addressed joy in having had this moment. It is one hell of a good mood. I don't think I am going to drown in anything, really.
  A mixed blessing, dressed in such traditional pink and blue. But how it twirls and twirls in an imagined colourlessness.
  
  PS: I'm still busy throwing out the assumed male privileges of my gender and vocabulary (not enough windows to tell you the truth,) so I'm sorry I have to decline the offer of Thought Police Chief. At least, for the foreseeable future.
  Last thought: In my reading, Feminism is not just about being “sensitive” to women’s issues, it is also about dismantling our retrograde ways, as men, of seeing women in this world.
  But what would I know: My version is already deigned skin deep.(or misguided angst against patriarchy. Your pick.)
  
  
  
• From: venkat (@ 66.185.85.78) on: Thu Jul 10 22:55:53 EDT 2003
  
  Instead of drenching ourselves with rhetoric (to the extent of ‘sentencing’ us to death) could someone go back and read all comments about TKK and point out where precisely it turned misogynist, before Rani Padmini arbitrarily generalized the entire ‘man’kind as anti-feminine and invited us to gang and ridicule.
  
  If you could kindly do this exercise and pinpoint the crossing of line of control, it would do a great deal to teach us, incognizants, a lesson in political correctness.
  
  We used to hail Special Olympics and achievement by the physically challenged (another of those politically correct words). It is considered as a morale boosting exercise. The other day, I heard someone in my office remarking all those who watch Sp. Olym. are all sadists, rejoicing as the poor stretch themselves physically !!! Days are not far away when some pundits will label vaLLuvar a pedophile for he said:
  
  makkaLmey thIndal utaRkinbam maRR(u)avar
  coRkEttal inbam cevikku.
  
  (makkaL – children, mey - body) I despise myself for having to live in a world like this.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Thu Jul 10 23:04:17 EDT 2003
  
  Rani Padmini made a mountain out of a mole-hill. She(or he) could be sitting somewhere laughing over all the digression caused in this thread.
  
  bb, suggestion for next SOTD
  "porandhaalum aambalaiya porakka koodathu" from Policekaaran Magal :-)
  
  
• From: Lord LabakkuDas (@ 202.54.153.21) on: Fri Jul 11 00:12:16 EDT 2003
  
  "I find Padmini and Radha's shoulders to resemble NFL linebackers"
  ROTFL..:-))
  Udhaya, Exactly my feelings..LOL
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.136.27.31) on: Fri Jul 11 00:19:09 EDT 2003
  
  Naaz,
  Let's make it a grand slam. It's funny how people who fight for rights are invariably out to take away others' rights. My bisexual friend saw these posts and laughed at the pointlessness of it all. So, you're not all alone with progressive, alternative thinking cronies. Yes, even there you're not alone, I'm sorry to say. You seem so sure that I would mind someone calling me or a male as a coy, sissy, or whatever the in derogatory label is. I don't care. Let's leave it at you shrugging off Dic*head as no big deal and me shrugging off "macho" Padmini as no big deal. Let Rani come and call Sivaji a fat bellied, repulsive, sissy male, or rather she can call me that and we can all continue with our lives feeling so progressive and rebellious about ourselves. I swear, I need to learn to speak to other species. There are definite limits to how much humans can entertain me anymore.
  
  
• From: bb (@ 12.234.176.52) on: Fri Jul 11 00:50:39 EDT 2003
  
  Song of the Day: indhira lOgaththu from uyiruLLavarai usha.
  
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/cgi-bin/stream.pl?url=http://www.dhool.com/sotd/indhira.rm
  
  - A quintessential T.Rajendar song to get to the weekend. A good break from the tabla-based songs that I've been hearing for the past few days. I like the song because of the way the lyrics sit so easily with the music.
  
  Just read out the lyrics and the sound/rhyme will get you.
  
  "mugaththai thaamaraiyaai ninaiththu moiththa vaNdu
  Emaandha kadhai thaan kaNgaL!"
  Wow!
  
  "indha maanidanum mayangi vittaan
  andha maadhidamE manadhai vittaan"
  
  "amudham endra sollai aaraaichi seivatharkku
  avaniyil avaLE aadhaaram!"
  
  The kind of lyrics that we rarely find in TFM. As Udhaya was telling me the other day, you may not find another song with the word "avani" in it!
  
  - Udhaya writes on the song:
  
  Indhiralogathu sundari is a delectable song on many levels.
  The song combines the old and new, arcane and artsy in a seductive
  blend. You have sendhamizh imagery in abundance (thenil palaa oorum suvai
  aval sirippu; amudham endra sollai aaraaichi seivadharkku avaniyil
  avalae aadhaaram) coming at a dancehall pace that overwhelms and excites
  like a fresh burst of waterfall on a summer-weary body.
  
  You have veenai followed by dance percussions accompanying SPB's intuitive
  singing accentuated by mirudhangam here and chorus humming there.
  The lyrics alone are worth the listen, but this is a song that traverses
  genres and labels. This is TR at his genuine best. Let the mockers heckle,
  you've made your mark, TR, this song is here to stay in the annals of
  TFM classics. Cheers.
  
  - Notes for the song: http://www.newtfmpage.com/notes/old/in_uu.txt
  
  - Contributions of T.Rajendar to TFM: http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/26454.27681.19.53.32.html
  
  
• From: narayanan (@ 216.251.50.73) on: Fri Jul 11 01:27:36 EDT 2003
  
  oNNanglass song of the week after paLaya paLaya songs. SP was at his ease to sing this song. In college comp's this was used by participant singers. who sing this in movie?
  
  

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