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S.P Bala the greatest??????

Topic started by Jay (@ bat-50-212.tm.net.my) on Thu Mar 30 11:45:56 EST 2000.
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hi guys,

For me spb is the best bcos he is an all rounder/versatile and conquered tfm 4 a long time...But some are saying that upcoming singers like HH and UK already reached spb's stature and maybe better than him...What are your comments??? I am a fanatic fan of this great spb..so my fellow fanatics,plz e-mail me if you want to discuss more abt spb.....

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• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.95) on: Sun Jun 10 00:56:14 EDT 2001
  
  RajaG:
  
  >>>>IMF- Rafi sucked big time in his Telugu songs and his Bengali songs. I have not heard Rafi's Kannada songs but my default mode is to rate him based on his Telugu/Bengali regional fiascos rather than his HFM prowess.<<<<<<<<<
  
  Well, merely your saying that does not make it so!!
  What about SPBs awful Hindi songs (without disrespecting his Telugu,Kannada,Tamil songs AT ALL - I must say this, before people throw eggs and tomatoes on me, and brand me an NSCM in their usual style.
  SPB,RAFI AND KJY are my FAVOURITES and I feel ALL ARE EQUALLY GOOD)
  
  And what do u say about Kishore's third class Marathi,Assamese and Bengali songs. And Hindi songs too. U said 'Kya hua tera vaada' is the 142743493493493th best song of Rafi. (Of course he did not sing those many songs :-)) Right!! Thats still better than the Aradhana songs of Kishore.
  
  I have always believed Rafi and SPB and KJY to be equals. Bringing a pathetic Kishore in, is what I intensely dislike. And God knows why we are forgetting TMS. Was he less versatile?? And Manna Dey??? I will have to give u a list of the different genres covered by him too!!!! Well even Dr Sirkazhi Govindarajan and Ghanatsala. Maybe they were not so verstaile (as far as I know - correct me if I am wrong). But their singing skills were TERRIFIC. I see that theres nobody talking about them.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Sun Jun 10 02:58:47 EDT 2001
  
  kjy is the greatest of all of them!
  
  anbudan
  mahabs
  
  
• From: deepa (@ 202.9.148.207) on: Sun Jun 10 06:22:55 EDT 2001
  
  mahabs,please do not bring the name of kjy in the discussion greatest.he may be the greatest in malayalam film industry, but still when it comes to all indian level, there are several better players than him.
  
  
• From: comment (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Sun Jun 10 09:11:30 EDT 2001
  
  
  "I do not know a lot of South Indian Music as i
  know HFM, but i know enough to make a good judgement".............
  
  Indian music fan, this is the biggest bs you have made here till date, our friend has not heard southern music and does not have a clue about it.
  
  Till date there is no statistics or any musical reasons to say rafi is better than spb.
  
  
  Indian music fan/LV , 40,000 songs for any singer is an achievment, secondly this was not due to luck or any other means, singing is a great art where spb shines better than anyone I know in India. if you dont think so, i am sorry, it is not my work to make you agree, we can only wake up people who are really sleeping, I have heard more music and know far superior music than you, people like rajag has studied and analyzed music more than you, you know nothing about music heard some hindi songs and started bashing others in a fury.
  I request rajag and others to stop answering this guy, we all know his statements are most stupidiest and biggest BS we have had here till date.
  
  
• From: IMF (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Sun Jun 10 12:38:42 EDT 2001
  
  comment,
  
  When i said the statement that I do not know alot of SI music, i meant that i do not know a lot about it as much as i know HFM or NI music. You guys don't know alot of HFM or NI music to be making judgements such as spb is better than rafi or anything like that. Comment, by what you have said so far, i don't think you have any musical knowledge yourself to be comparing people. From what you wrote on KK, you seem to be following blindly. Just admit that you have not heard rafi that much or HFM that much to make a statement. I told you that i have enough knowledge in SI music to make a judgement but not as much as i do in HFM. You make it sound as if you are in expert in BOTH, which you TRULY aren't so let's make it a fact that you only know more SI music. If rajaG has studied music and analyzed it, why is he always blasting people when they make statements. I don't buy that he knows alot about HFM or NI music as he does about SI music. If he knew alot about NI or HFM he wouldn't be making such harsh comments or stupid comments like he has before such as comparing kk to rafi without any facts. Now we can see who has got musical knowledge and who is just saying things based on their own opinion.
  
  And, please elaborate on musical reasons and statistics which you claim are there to say spb is better than rafi besides 40,000 songs. All your comments are bs and without any facts and true statements.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.80.148) on: Sun Jun 10 12:46:12 EDT 2001
  
  mr comment:
  
  For ur kindest info, there is NOT A SINGLE PLACE where I have said anyhting about SPB. Please read my postings more carefully before darting pellets like these. Mohammed Rafi is very much in the same league as SPB. U may be very great, atleast u say so, however I personally am a student of Hindustani classical for 10-12 years myself. I have performed on stage, and have wide exposure to film and light music in various languages - Hindi,Marathi,Telugu,Kannada, Tamil,Gujrathi, Punjabi and even Kashmiri, besides a few Bengali ones too. I am not an ignorant bla-bla or something like that. Rafi himself has sung thousands of songs, and was THE favourite of almost every MD all through his career (which started in 1940 and sadly ended in 1980). So if Rafi sang 30000 songs and SPB sang 40000 songs, that does not mean that SPB > Rafi.
  He too was a concert-trained student of none other than Ustaad Bade Ghulam Ali Khan Sahab. I myself am a fan of SPB, and I do not HAVE to prove that to you. But I feel Rafi and even KJY are very much equals to SPB. And why we are forgetting TMS, Sirkali Govindarajan and the highly underrated Ghantasala, God only knows.
  
  
  ANOTHER THING: A POINT I have been trying to make is - why get into this RUT of who is greater than whom???? Rafi and SPB sang at different times. The overlap period was small. Also their domains were different. Mr comment - by getting into such a comparison, u are gaining nothing. Ur personal opinion is SPB is the greatest - someone else might feel so about KJY or Rafi. I feel all are equally great.
  
  Secondly, yes RajaG is very knowledgeable. In fact I am in personal contact with him. But I too know quite a bit myself, and I dont think I'm being immodest.
  
  So Mr Comment, ur opinions are not inscriptions on the Qutab Minar.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.80.99) on: Sun Jun 10 12:56:09 EDT 2001
  
  comment:
  
  Read the first senetence as 'There is not a single place where I have said anyhting BAD about SPB'.
  
  Again, your GREAT MUSICAL SKILLS are (probably not so very :-) ) aptly displayed by that foolish comparison of Kishore (who is just an average singer) with great legends like SPB,KJY or RAFI.
  
  
• From: comment (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Sun Jun 10 13:18:34 EDT 2001
  
  so if you say everyone is equal to everone, why the hell you argue...
  
  total nonsense.
  
  
• From: comment (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Sun Jun 10 13:19:33 EDT 2001
  
  might not in Qutab Minar but might be in periya kovil , tanjor.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: comment (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Sun Jun 10 13:37:13 EDT 2001
  
  i did not say kk is greator than rafi,
  , IMHO, KK is more versetile, meaning, voice modulation is better. thats it.
  secondly, you finally end up saying all my statements are bs, greatest joke,
  you come up with a great idea of saying rafi is the best singer in india music history, few people quoted about spb and his achivements, which was apt to this thread, now you end up saying everything thing is a bs what you say is are golden words, and it is been written in tajmahal or some other morans grave.
  basically you dont know to argue, you are biased
  with hindi music and musicians. if you think you know more music than me or anyone else here, so be it. who cares. basically this is tamil film music page, so we know who is bs'ing in the wrong place, find a hindi tree and climb on to it and do what ever you want about rafi or moookesh or anyone for that matter. scram!
  stop insulting southern musicians,
  yes yes we all can hear, dont comeup with i did not tell anything about spb bla bla bla bla bla...
  
  I suppose swamiji is right this time,
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ 65.80.249.41) on: Sun Jun 10 14:19:17 EDT 2001
  
  IMF - Comment aka Fan aka Srikanth is a qualified musician, trained in WCM and a very good composer. I think he is better suited to analyze/criticize than any of you no-name _fools_ that appear one day and disappear the next after posting some inane drivel.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.81.87) on: Sun Jun 10 22:49:54 EDT 2001
  
  dear comment:
  
  hunt out a single place here where I (LV) has insulted SPB. I have said SPB,Rafi,KJY are equals. I am NOT supporting IMF. Like u even I am classically trained. And I am entitled to my opinion. Also saying that KKs voice modulation is better and putting him in the same league as these 3 is rather erroneous, according to me. KK could not render ghazls,bhajans,classical songs,thumris, good folk songs or songs with deep meaning,or philisophical songs.In fact Suresh Wadkar,Hariharan,Bhupinder and many others beat KK RAW in this.
  
  Please tell me with suitable examples why u think KKs voice modulation is better. Thanking u
  
  
• From: comment (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Sun Jun 10 23:04:56 EDT 2001
  
  In your list of song types - ,KK sings great in "film" songs. thats all about it.
  what kind of song is "singari" ?
  what kind of song is mera jeevan ?
  I get some pep when i hear dekhana hare dekhana,
  which i dont with many rafi songs, I can dig more on KK, but LV or what ever you name is , sorry seriously I dont want to sit and prove for kishore kumar, we are in the end of long day, at least i am ,
  you might write me off - i dont know much about it. Please go ahead.
  
  
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.81.87) on: Sun Jun 10 23:46:49 EDT 2001
  
  
  mr comment:
  u have misquoted me. I never said KK was good for film songs - in fact he sucks royally almost everywhere. And what about the ghazls,bhajans,semiclassicals,philosophicals,folk songs,thumris etc etc etc.??? 'Mera jeevan kora kaagaz' is a bit more listenable - agreed - but does it stand anywhere in comparison to 'saun baar janam lenge' or to 'mile na ph*ool to kaaton se....' or 'din dhhal jaaye' or 'main naseeb hoon kisi aur ka'.
  
  Also show me a single song where KK has traversed the range of Rafi as in 'Man tarpat .....' , 'ae duniya ke rakhwaale', or 'mohabbat zindabad' or 'akele akele kahaan ja rahe ho'.
  
  And what do call Rafi's 'sar par topi lal','yahoo!!!' and all those Shammi Kapoor songs ? Peppy is THE word.
  
  
• From: GV (@ 64.228.138.51) on: Mon Jun 11 00:17:01 EDT 2001
  
  deepa:
  Just because you don't (obviously) know much about KJY's role in non-Malayalam music, you cannot ask other participants not to bring his name into this discussion. KJY is very much a part of Indian (and may be international) music scene, and is considered by a lot of people to be one of (if not the) greatest.
  
  

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