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IR's Western Classical Based Compositions

Topic started by Dorai (@ 216.217.47.130) on Wed Dec 13 15:24:30 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I am interested in collecting all the different styles of Western Classical Music that Isai Gnani Illayaraja has used so far.

I request all the knowledgeable TFM folks here to contribute their knowledge about the different styles of WC that IR has used and also list the songs.

I will start with some songs like
'Sundari Kannal Oru Sethi'
'Aaananda Ragam Ketkum Kaalam' - Panneer Puzhpangal
'Envaaniley Orevennila' - Jaani

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• From: omega (@ 205.227.43.15) on: Tue Dec 26 01:23:47 EST 2000
  
  Raja, rajaadhi , rajan indha raaja
  kooja, thookadhe veru engum kooja
  - Western Classical music???
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ ) on: Tue Jan 2 14:35:18 EST 2001
  
  i am hooked on to "manithA manithA ini un vizikaL sivandhAl ulagam vidiyum" of kaN sivanthAl maN sivakkum. the prelude could be expanded in to a full fledged concerto. (swamiji, naveen, srikanth, ... want to try? :-) ) this IS composition! Esudoss sings with zest and the lyrics aren't lagging behind either. (btw, who wrote the song?) this is a must for any ir-song collector. (watch out for the "real" bass voice in the chorus towards the end! wow!)
  
  
• From: SL (@ 15.255.104.11) on: Tue Jan 2 14:46:49 EST 2001
  
  Rajan,
  'manithA manithA' is a great song indeed!!!!
  Great lyrics too !!! You want to know who wrote it ? You are asking for trouble. It is Vairamuthu :)
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Tue Jan 2 15:26:32 EST 2001
  
  SL,
  
  i had that doubt! (who else would use words like dhEsiyam, jOsiyam, sUsagam? :-)) )
  
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 206.49.110.156) on: Thu Jan 4 03:14:28 EST 2001
  
  Can some WC buff clarify if Veettukku Veedu Vasappadi (Kizhakku Vasal) is indeed based on Mozart's Symphony No.25 (Titan watch music)?
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ ) on: Mon Feb 12 06:27:20 EST 2001
  
  Can anybody explain what technique is used in the song Vanam thottu pOnA from Thevar Magan (pathos version of Potrippadadi) - the chorus is simply haunting. Also, the baroque style interludes of Chinna Kannan Azhaikkiran - pathos version sung by Janaki.
  
  
• From: raj (@ 195.96.165.97) on: Fri Feb 16 07:58:00 EST 2001
  
  consider the song maamaruthile from karisal kaattu pooove,,good example of western classical,
  atho anthe nathiyoram from the film yelai jaathi
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Feb 16 10:13:21 EST 2001
  
  Siraichaalai, Suttum vizhi Parvaiyile Thoondilidum Devi.....full of western classic. I would be pleased if some expert can furnish more details on this.
  
  
• From: Observer (@ 144.92.164.198) on: Fri Feb 16 12:44:30 EST 2001
  
  Where is "manidha manidha" available on the net? I am desperate to listen to it.
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.159.71) on: Fri Feb 16 14:45:31 EST 2001
  
  observer: AIR website.
  
  
• From: purv (@ ) on: Mon Feb 17 19:47:57 EST 2003
  
  Hmm, curious topic! I can name some IR WCM based compositions.
  
  1.) Pudhichaalam Pudhichen (Gopurangal Saayvathillai)- the prelude and the interludes
  2.) Chandrigaarum Sooryamum (Avatharam)- the whole song
  3.) Bhaaratha Samudhayam (Bhaarathi)- the interlude
  4.) Vande Mantaram from the same film
  5.) Alaigale Vaa (Kavitha Malar)- again, the entire song. This was apparently one of IR's first attempts at an opera number.
  6.) Adukkumalli (Aavarampoo)
  7.) Sri Raamane (Kangalin Vaarthaigal)
  8.) Varuvaai Anbe (Garjanai)- the interludes
  9.) Siru Ponnumani (Kallukkul Eeram)- the entire song, pretty much. I believe this is one song that can be enjoyed by occidental music enthusiasts as well as Indians
  10.) Raasaathi Raasaathi (Poovarasan)
  
  And many many more. I could go on and on to no end.....
  
  
• From: mythila (@ 137.237.12.102) on: Tue Feb 18 13:35:42 EST 2003
  
  Three unforgettable numbers come to my mind immediately.
  1. Niram pirithu parthen - mindblowing composition from film Time
  2. Vaan megam poo poovai thoovum - another lovely song from Punnagai Mannan
  3. Oho megam vandado - This one is my very personal favourite. Listen to the wonderful background music that comes along with Charanam (Kaalgal engeyum pogalam kaadal illamal vaazhalam ..).Wish somebody comes out with analysis of this song!!!
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Thu Feb 20 09:04:55 EST 2003
  
  Mythila ,
  That composition from TIME ,i would say is one of the best of Illayraaja .....
  
  1.Oru Punngavanam (Agni Natchathram-Listen to teh interludes!!!!)
  2.Enna Solli (Enn Mana Vannil -Listen to the interludes)
  3.Vaanavillae (Ramana -AGain interludes)
  4.Illaya Nila ( guitar man !!!!)
  5.Minmini Parvaigal (Julie Ganapathy)
  6.MAnjal Poosum (friends ,Prelude ,Interlude)
  
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.190) on: Thu Feb 20 10:09:35 EST 2003
  
  Friends - what is the definition of "W.C. based"? All the songs mentioned above are not WCM.
  
  
• From: mythila (@ 137.237.12.102) on: Thu Feb 20 13:17:55 EST 2003
  
  Yeah Ramki, I love these numbers you have listed.
  Orupoongavam-Esp the background violins that accompany the lyrics in charanam-naan vaanavillai vendinaal oor vilai koduthu vanguven ...
  (This song also takes me to a diff world)
  enna solli- is a recent great melody in Sudhadhanyaasi raagam
  Vaanaville - another recent lovely melody in Dharmavathi after a long time. I loved the prelude of this song too.
  Manjalpoosum - the best song in friends. I bought the cassette of friends after listening to this song just once.When I heard this song,I thought IR still has his midaas touch intact.
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Thu Feb 20 22:26:38 EST 2003
  
  Venkatesh ,
  That is agood question ..Of course u can give the answer too !!!I had listed songs which uses Orchestral violin interludes and has the symphony touch ,that's it ....
  
  
• From: S (@ 128.107.253.38) on: Fri Feb 21 07:28:20 EST 2003
  
  >>I had listed songs which uses Orchestral violin interludes and has the symphony touch ,that's it ....<<
  
  Ramki,
  That doesn't qualify them as a purely WC based composition....It's like calling any song Raga based...Usage of Western style cannot be called a WC song...
  
  IMO, songs like "kanavil midhakkum" from eera vizhi kAviyangaL "poottukkaL pOttAlum" from kshatriyan, & "manidha manidha" from to name a few of them, come under than category.
  
  To me, those songs which can be expanded into a WC piece come under that category.
  
  
• From: S (@ 128.107.253.38) on: Fri Feb 21 07:30:03 EST 2003
  
  typo..usage of WC instruments cannot qualify them to the purely WC category.
  
  
• From: ravi k.s. ravichandran (@ 128.110.251.151) on: Fri Feb 21 19:42:40 EST 2003
  
  This is a good topic.
  
  I do not know of any purely WC style orchestration along an entire song, if that is what is meant by IR's WC based compositions. Instead, I would call it that IR is tremendously skilled at WC in his interludes or as starts--When I say this I am restricting myself to piano, violin, flute and classical guitar
  
  One of the best examples that I know of a classical guitar is of course--Izhaya Nila Pozhigirathae... in Payanangal Mudivathillai
  
  The best use of violin Chello and Flute in interludes that I liked, is-- Mayilae Mayilae Un Thogai Yengey.. in Kadavul Amaitha Medai
  
  Another one for Piano is perhaps--Yen Vanilae Ore Vennila...In Jhonny...Actually this song has more of WC violin and chellos but is believed to be having good Piano pieces at places by IR fans--I would say it has outstanding violin pieces--one should listen to discover...
  
  Probably the only piece that I know that has a complete WC backdrop, incredible it is indeed, is "Ennulle Enulle oru Minnal Ezhum Nehram......--Man this blows my mind and I am still awed that how come this guy composes such piece even for some ordinary movies like Valli ? (Am I right ? Please correct if I am wrong..)
  
  Recently I have discovered an amazing collection by Johann David Heinichen, a German Baroque composer, virtually overshadowed by Bach, Vivaldi during the Baroque era..I would recommed his 2 CD set entitled, "Dresden Concerti". When I listened to it felt like IR and Heinichen has some similarities in terms of composing combos involving Violin, Flute, Horn (I don't know of IR's use of Horns) and Oboe. If you are a hard core IR fan, you would love it..
  
  You can listen to samples for free in www.towerrecords.com
  
  Bye
  
  
  
  
  
• From: ravi k.s. ravichandran (@ 128.110.251.151) on: Fri Feb 21 19:52:21 EST 2003
  
  Here is one piece of Johann David Heinichen that is amazing...
  
  Goto
  
  http://www.towerrecords.com/product.asp?pfid=1086220&cc=USD
  
  and listen to number 22. Other pieces are also excellent, if you like violin, flute, oboe etc..
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.190) on: Sat Feb 22 02:16:49 EST 2003
  
  Ravi k.s.
  
  Good posting, I enjoyed yours. Actually almost all IR songs have some classical elements in it. So its difficult to classify them as pure WCM. However, Guru (Malayalam) songs are all mostly WCM-based, esp. Aruna Kirana. Some more WCM-based songs are:
  
  1) Poongathave (Nizhalgal)
  2) Pothi vacha (Mann vasanai)
  3) Eriyile elanthamaram (Karayellam shenbagappoo)
  
  Chello piece - Maharajanodu (Sathi leelavathi)
  Horn - Nandavanam poothirukkudhu (Illam)
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.190) on: Sat Feb 22 02:23:25 EST 2003
  
  I left out some more songs:
  
  1) Songs in Ullasa paravaigal - lot of WCM interludes in the songs
  2) Ival oru ilanguruvi (Brahma) - happy version
  3) Oru iniya manadhu (Johnny) - esp. 1st interlude
  4) Vizhiyile mani vizhiyil (Nooravathu naal) - heavy baroque in 2nd interlude
  5) Kelade nimageega (Geetha) - Kannada song, with heavy WC chorus
  6) Ival yaaro (Vijay's movie, fogot the name)
  7) Kathum kadal - Kattumarakkaran
  8) Vaanam thottu pona (Thevar magan) - again WC chorus
  9) Unnai ethir parthen (Vanaja Girija)
  10) Koondalile (Balanagamma)
  
  
• From: JLT (@ 132.235.229.134) on: Sat Feb 22 17:02:13 EST 2003
  
  U really cant call the guitar work in Izhaya Nila as classical guitar. The arpeggios in the intro might be, to a little extent, but the remaining parts its more like a guitar in a pop song. (And it seems to be picked with a pluctrum than with fingers.)
  A better example of classical guitar by IR is the intro in Ennulle Ennulle. Remember the intro guitar in Priya Priyatama raagalu from the telugu movie Killer, I would say thats tryin to play a classical guitar piece on an electric.
  
  To my limited knowledge, I cannot recall any other songs that have classical guitar peices in them. Slight digression: Some examples of different guitar styles(though not really explored, for lack of audience i think) in our film songs.
  
  1.Flamenco, Spanish-satrangi re, Jumbalakka and bunch of others.
  2.Country- The backing guitar in Kannalane when the pallavi is sang for the second time.
  3.Country rock- The intro in Sithan Vaasal from Kadhal Samrajyam
  4. Our Prassanna style guitar- 1st interlude in Samba samba (love birds), Sutrum Bhoomi 1st interlude in (Dum Dum Dum), 2nd interlude in Kuluvayile, intro to Kannodu kanbathellam.
  
  Second pallavi in Injarango(nylon guitar?), Leysa Leysa(?),Kay sera sera etc feature some decent rhythm guitar rather than just dumb rhythm guitar work.
  Two recent acoustic solos that stand out are 2nd iterlude in Gulmohar Malare, and 2nd interlude in Leysa Leysa. To spoil my happiness, theres no song that u can call it as pure heavy metal/hard rock. Musthafa starts promisingly, but soon turns (or dilutes??) into a reggae kinda song. Yea, first interlude features a solo with distortion, but no power chords and stuff. On the contrary, 2nd interlude in Gulmohar Malare and 1st interlude in Chayya Chayya have power chords but then the other music that they accompany turns out to be something else.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.162.217) on: Sat Feb 22 22:19:52 EST 2003
  
  JLT..Gosh! beyond my cognition..Good posting anyway.
  
  

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