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thiruvasakam in symphony

Topic started by Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 67.83.146.59) on Mon Apr 7 15:33:24 EDT 2003.
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http://www.thiruvasakaminsymphony.com/v_eng.htm#8a

Official audio release from Ilaiyaraaja.

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• From: SSSSAV (@ 66.57.14.197) on: Sat Sep 11 00:22:12 EDT 2004
  
  Gyan,
  You are now definitely digressing!
  The question posed by 'M-L' was something which needs no answering. Then, we will be dealing with the 'poi maan'! Instead, let's focus on the reality!
  Indians and especially the Tamils of the past, did show a 'never-die' attitude and went to far-off places and conquerred so many. They were all not taking steroids! Of late, a sort of lethargy has creeped into our system and bloods and has resulted in our decay. We have become emotional in things not needed for our survival and the so-called 'Tamil guards' have misled us in the wrong way and the Tamil samudhaayam has blindly followed these people and are at the cross roads now, not knowing what to do. I am not ascribing any blame on any one in particular.
  "aRivu poorvamaaga sindhikka maRandhu, uNarvu poorvamaaga seyal pada aarambiththu vittOm"!!
  What is the need of the hour is people like IIR, Abdul Kalaam, M.S. swaminathan, M.S. udhayamoorthy etc. to arouse us with their deeds- and not by words- to remind us of our capabilities. Once top people in every field start thinking of the people who gave them respect and recognition and resolve to do something in return to these 'people of their soil', more people will turn their attention towards them and will follow suit.
  Nobody cared for IIR[at least not me] when he was only making great music for himself in the movies. But, when he decided to do something for the very people who helped him to reach the place where he is now, more people started paying attention[ again, at least me!].
  This is what inspired people. Otherwise, IIR has not said anything new which others haven't said. But, he distinguishes himself when he attmpted to do something unique to bring world attention towards the Tamils by this TiS. That's where he seperated himself from the others.
  Now, more thoughts from you, guys!
  
  
  
• From: SSSSAV (@ 66.57.14.197) on: Sat Sep 11 00:25:31 EDT 2004
  
  contd....
  
  "This is what inspired people. Otherwise, IIR has not said anything new which others haven't said. But, he distinguishes himself when he attmpted to DO something unique to bring world attention towards the Tamils by this TiS. That's where he seperated himself from the others."
  
  And, this, in my humble opinion, is eqivalent to an Olympic Gold Medal!
  
  
• From: sathish kumar (@ 62.255.64.7) on: Sun Sep 12 06:17:30 EDT 2004
  
  To all those people who are bothered that IR is trying to gain acceptance for indian music in the western world, Here is my humble opinion abot this whole TIS project and other such projects that are gonna happen in the near future. Music is about feelings which has no boundaries. Like a love of a mother to her child in all forms of life and in all parts of the world. Likewise music is common to all. What IR is attempting to do is to bring out the musical treasures of the Indian Music Form in an understandable form to the westerners as well who could well appreciate this and may even come forward to explore the treasures of it.This again is going to benefit the musicians across the world. Like we dunno who invented the power steering system in automobiles But every comapny now provides it and we all enjoy it. It is like that. There is no harm in sharing this knowledge. This is what IR is trying to do and we should wish him good luck in this venture.
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Tue Sep 14 13:15:51 EDT 2004
  
  "chenRiduveer ettu thikkum kalai chelvangal yaavum konarndhinguch chErpeer" - mAhakavi bharathi said. I think, IR is doing it. He knows indian music, I mean, the essence, the spirit of it completely. He looks at the notations which Master Dhanraj uses to teach WCM..it must have struck a chord (:)) in somewhere. He knows he wants to make indian music sound 'big', 'grand' ..I have heard him so say so in some interviews not necessarily with the same words. Now he is attempting that with something sacred. That is all. Ofcourse, he is all that Music_lover says. Only with such an attitude a simpleton can go on to write music that will impress the highly trained musicians of the west.
  
  Coming back to Gyan, I think I know what he is talking. I think, I also know what Music_lover is talking about. Music_lover and SSSAV are talking about practical, technical issues. Gyan is talking at a higher level. He is not wrong, IMHO. Our society also was not just lazy, we also have built high temple towers, palaces, dams, big boats and conquered foreign lands. But what remains now is an 'attitude' or 'culture'. This is probably the conclusion we have come to. This is what Gyan is summarizing, I think.
  
  BTW, eating meat does not seem to be increasing my killer instincts :) Kidding aside, I came to this great country (USA) 13 years ago enjoyably listening to eerama rojAva songs on the sg airlines flight. This CD nowadays never gets played on my system. The person who thought andhi mazhai was a great song ..now appreciates songs like azhagE azhagu. Living in this corporate politics dominated environment in the Americas (I am software engr and my wife is a Regd Nurse) I can't but wonder at the distinct difference in approach to life between the West and India.
  Yesterday, I HAD to watch a TV serial with my wife :). A daughter is killed. The mother dreams as the daughter telling her that she did not commit suicide, but she was killed. The daughter does not mention who killed her in that dream. This is surely a suspicion in the mothers mind that is manifesting as a dream.
  Similarly, IR 'knows' the integration points betweem indian and western classical music (am I talking like a s/w engr :)) He dreams/believes it is the Almighty that wants him to accomplish this task. If he were in the west, he would be calculating in what all forms he could make money with this idea. But no IR, just wants to DO it, I suspect, he has no commercial ambitions in this area. This is one example of an indian approach, I can think of.
  
  Anyways, this is a digression. But I do enjoy digressions like this :)
  
  
• From: SSSSAV (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Tue Sep 14 14:22:14 EDT 2004
  
  ""If he were in the west, he would be calculating in what all forms he could make money with this idea.""
  That was the only sour note in an otherwise well thought out and expressed passage. After 13 years in USA, one might have expected a realistic point of view. That was definitely 'Indian' way of thinking. I sort of tend to disagree with that statement. They [westerners] get ideas, start implementing it immediately, and money flows in, if it clicks--that's what I have seen in my 14 years here!
  The only difference is there are plenty of right-thinking sponsors readily available for a cause, which is a dearth in our [Indian] soceity. I know it as a truth from my personal experience with TiS!! But, I should also admit that 'help' does come in at the right time[a bit late... perhaps??] for those who seek it!!
  
  
• From: app_engine (@ 136.1.1.33) on: Tue Sep 14 14:42:10 EDT 2004
  
  SSSSAV, you missed `if here in':-) k was actually referring to an Indian in the west and not westeners themselves:-)) (and he may be correct about all NRI's & I'm one too...)
  
  
• From: app_engine (@ 136.1.1.33) on: Tue Sep 14 16:04:35 EDT 2004
  
  Sorry typo: 'if he were in'
  
  
• From: SSSSAV (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Tue Sep 14 17:04:36 EDT 2004
  
  That sentence can be understood both ways!:-)
  
  I am in agreement with his views mostly.:_)
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Tue Sep 14 20:38:59 EDT 2004
  
  SSSAV, that was a gross generalization and simplification to drive home the material aspect of the western culture. It is difficult to convey these points in a few posts. I may have to write a book and probably have Gyan co-author it :)
  No, I do not have a bad opinion about America or the West in general. I reiterate, there is a DISTINCT difference in approach to life of Western and common Indian person. I am using 'Western' and 'Indian' in a very idealised, extreme view. There are people in India who are so much after money and wealth who are much more materially driven than people in America. But the point is, this 'attitude' is something pervasive in America. This country is the epitome of capitalism. It is 'collective pursuit of profit'. This 'collective' thing is something again not common in India and which is one of the things hindering our progress. The commercial attitude or motive is so ingrained, that a complete system has been built to achieve it. Your quote of 'quickly implementing it and money flows' is a reference to this system. Again, my posts take a while to write, so I may have to stop. But I want to inform the readers that I do not view the American or Western attitude totally negatively. That is why in the beginning I said we have to strike a balance.
  
  And BTW, you guys are doing a good job with TiS, please dont get disheartened. You probably are not aware of the troubles that Classical music labels and city orchestras face in this country. It is very difficult. Sony Classical, has started releasing BGMs of movies. My city does not have a opera hall yet, inspite of charging 1.125% property tax in the inflated CA real estate market. Classical music is definitely a business on the decline in the West, as well.
  
  
  
• From: SSSSAV (@ 66.57.14.197) on: Tue Sep 14 21:46:05 EDT 2004
  
  Thank you for pointing the theme out,-- "collective pursuit of profit"-- that was what I was referring to. And I totally agree with you there. And thank you for your nice words too!
  
  If only we all can collectively pusue t[h]is more effectively...........!!
  YIA!!
  
  
• From: SSSSAV (@ 66.57.14.197) on: Tue Sep 14 21:47:04 EDT 2004
  
  'pursue' , not 'pusue'!! ...typo!
  
  
• From: Sri (@ 202.153.37.115) on: Fri Sep 17 01:20:47 EDT 2004
  
  
  K,
  
  'Sony Classical, has started releasing BGMs of movies'.
  
  Can u please elaborate. I am eagerly awaiting BGM scores of IR, in the form of Instrumental Albums, in volumes.
  I often wonder how the reaction will be from the listeners, if great BGM peices (Original Track w/o voice mix) from movies such as Aanpavam, Mouna raagam, Idhayam, Jhoney, Guru, Hey Ram etc ... are released in the form of albums.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.241.200) on: Fri Sep 17 15:54:01 EDT 2004
  
  indhiya kulakozhunthugal ellam Uncle Sam'oda kudaiyin keezh amarnthu desam munnaeruvathai patri kavalai pattu vedhandham pesugirathugal.hmmm....
  
  namakkenna pochu nammalava ellam kshemama settilayitaloanonnu illama nejamavae kashtapadra jeevangal ellam thirumbi odi vanthu ayya IR vazhiyila intha desathaliyae irunthu munnaethrathukku konjam kai kudungo.
  
  verasa vaangapoi inganna irunthae 'collectivaa pursue' pannipudalaam...
  
  

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