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Did MSV have ANY musical defects?

Topic started by SR Kaushik (@ nova1.cs.wisc.edu) on Wed Sep 30 15:21:55 EDT 1998.
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Let me make one thing clear: I am not against MSV, but am merely curious about this topic.

I have made an interesting observation. We have so many criticisms of IR and ARR, but I've not seen any criticism of MSV. I haven't listened to many MSV songs, but I wasn't very impressed by whatever I have heard on TV. Whatever it is, I cannot imagine that he did not have any musical defects. Could anyone point them out? I am very interested. It might test the "objectivity" of certain "objective" people regarding the IR-ARR "war"(I'm not hinting at anyone, please do not misunderstand this), but nevertheless, I want to pursue this.

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• From: Deivam (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Fri Sep 20 00:32:24 EDT 2002
  
  Yeah, Andrew Lloyd is an Indian.
  Queen Elizabeth has saambaar for lunch.
  Michael Jackson wear veshti.
  
  More...
  
  Vikram, Thai Pongal, Paayum Puli were silver jubilee hits, Solla Thudikkithu Manasu, Vaalibame Vaa Vaa, Oruvar Vaazhum Aalayam, Saathanai, Raja Rishi ran for 100 days, Ninaivu Chinnam, Metti, Ninaivellaam Nithya all ran for one year.
  
  The best examples of period songs are from Hey Ram and Naayagan
  
  Ridiculous?
  Why not? Since we are already on a roll here?
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.56.97) on: Fri Sep 20 00:35:42 EDT 2002
  
  He is yet to come up with one movie that ran for 200 days.. he talked everything except that.. Thanks for accepting the defeat decently god..
  
  
• From: I Want Idli (@ 166.90.34.233) on: Fri Sep 20 00:53:45 EDT 2002
  
  John Scott.. Vada pazani koilla motta pottaru..
  Yo.. ennaya ularara.. Sambanda Sambandam illamal ularuvathukku mr.deivatha vittal verul alillai..
  Nalla jamaiyinga.. ungala kekka oru alu illanga..
  
  
• From: Ayo Pattikkitchu (@ 24.156.49.133) on: Fri Sep 20 01:03:34 EDT 2002
  
  Oru vela John Scott IR vin Ivan & EMV songsy kettu irruparo?
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 202.95.127.5) on: Fri Sep 20 03:50:21 EDT 2002
  
  AWE, I always wonder how deeply you have involved to not each and every points. You are able to project each and every dimension on IR song. I like to your views on IR beats (eg. Veera song). Many guys here are glorifying MSV because he said ARR is his son. In the begining days (in DD interview) he received lot of critisism, because he mentioned ARR is a computer music man, anybody can do computer music. Rule 8 of ARR fan club is to say everybody is great other than IR. coming to the comment IR is a big flop in hindi- IR may be flop but his songs are not not... that way even MSV is a never known with hidustani..
  
  
• From: Sathish A Great fan of MSV (@ 68.18.82.113) on: Fri Sep 20 20:02:45 EDT 2002
  
  AWE, i think u did not read my conclusion of the previous post nor u thoght about why films r not running more than 25 days now-a-days.
  i said D B Yesterday MSV, Yesterday IR and Today ARR. I told about ARRs talent. I never compared ARR to IR! please read in between lines. How can I compare the 3 gems of different generations!!
  IR did go to Hindi films. This is true but he was a failure. u must admit this. if not, u r NOT IR fan but a "fan"-atic!
  
  i will tell u one thing - the same IR is not able to make a single film not even 25 days to run in Today's world. First IR is re-tired!! u know this but dont pretend. Let me tell u the reason why now-a-days any movie does not run more than 10 days successfully. there are lot of TV Channels available to see and there are plenty of Cassettes available and now-a-days every household has @least a tape recorder. More over there r TVCD (thiruttu VCD!) available and thro internet to hear songs. In the previous generations the only way to watch movie is in theatre and to hear on radio (u know about AIR!). only big shots like u might have had VCR at home. naturally people tend to go to theatre for time pass and no body would like to watch "tu du tu du du du...." DD1-dd2!! So a film like "SKV", "TYT" etc., all ran without any substance in the film. The same IR and his entire family is not able to make a film to run on music only.
  
  ARR is capable of scoring "Platinum" every film even though film is utter failure ask producer V Natarajan and K T Kunjumon.
  
  Have u ever listened to VANDHE MADHARAM. Was it run in theatre? This was a mega mega hit. Do u know who all came for the bid BMG, COLUMBIA, HMV and SONY. SONY just listened to the music for just 5 minutes they just took the entire Rights and they just beat others competitive price.
  
  Reminding u, i am not comparing Pre-92 IR but post-92 IR and his entire family + other Kutti Chatthaans!
  When these people not even able to give 5% music, the new gem of the generation ARR is able to give 100% super hit. Got it??
  
  Folks Kizhakku Cheemaiyile, Taj Mahal are enough to tell the world that he knows how to score Folk songs and mix with Hindustani, Pakistani (kind of a fusion in my words) to give "What r u waiting for another day" (Vandhe Madharam) Fateh alikhan sang so beautifully. If u did not hear this, just listen the Mixing of Instruments, Voice and Song itself.
  
  For hindustani music listen to Tall & Dolisjakhe rahna, Lagaan and most of the hindi songs plus Kannalane.
  
  Parasakthi (vasanam and songs), Manohara (vasanam and songs), Ulagam Sutrum Vaaliban (just songs)ran 52 weeks - do u think the same film will run now the same # of days as did before. my answer is big NO. Because the taste, culture, audience view everything changed.
  
  U mentioned SKV - it ran bcos Kamal+Ambika+Silk+SPM+AVM+IR. similarly Karahattakkaran - Senthil+Koundamani comedy + IR music. If u say about the above then why Ninaivellam Nithya, Mudu pani, Johny all failed.
  U can not judge a reason for why some of the super hit songs are not a big hit. It is all audience - makkal makkal makkal and dont say IR IR IR- Gotcha? Again reminding u Pre-92 IR is a great...
  
  U know there was the greatest musical film called "Ninaithale Inikkum" - what a failure it was!! That was the best trend setter for the modern music started by the greatest legend of all time my dearest MSV and acted by all the superstars and super director.
  
  Bottomline is dont mudichi pottufy the IR Music with some of the run-away hits. there were plenty of reasons that they ran.
  
  I just tried to educate u about the Film nuances. I hope u would have been educated.
  
  
• From: Sathish A Great fan of MSV (@ 68.18.82.113) on: Fri Sep 20 20:13:42 EDT 2002
  
  Mr maanbumigu speaker avargale,
  please dont jump on MSV. He IS the musician and trend setter for all the followers. Dont talk about his Hindustani composition talent.
  
  Go and listen to KARNAN songs and then dont even come back here.
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.59.116) on: Fri Sep 20 21:55:37 EDT 2002
  
  Well i am sorry that i failed to educate you Sathish.. Did you listen to the theme song of Raja Parvai. which was there in the song of the day section. Just listen to the orchestration.
  It is phenomenal. MSV became a music director by Chance. IR became a music director by Choice. That's the difference. MSV came from kerala to act as a hero. He couldn't. Your way of calling them kuttichathans reflect poor taste. If you cast them aside over some genius composer i would not be bothered. But Over ARR.. no chance.. He is no better than any of Karthik Raja, Yuvan Shankar Raja, Harris Jayaraj. Why did Baba and Kannathil Muthamittal take a nose dive? Why is he dog slow?
  Speed is one of the essential quality to judge one's genius. Talent is different from Genius.
  Just understand that. Illayraja is the only genius TFM has ever seen. If you just take present day scenario Harris Jayaraj leads the TFM, followed by Bharadwaj and others. So Why do you consider present scenario? Fur Elise was composed by centuries back. Still it is ringing in my cell phone. So when you talk about Illayraja you should look at his entire career.. these pre-1992 post-1992 are rubbish. You ignored, Devar Magan, Mahanadhi, Kadalukku Mariyathai and host of other films after 1992.. If you leave out likes of Mahanadhi, Bharathi i will have to leave out the likes of Roja and Bombay. So just because you like ARR doesn't make IR a bad composer. Obviously you have not understood the depth of IR's songs. That is not your fault. Because the nuances in his music, including BGMs are beyond comprehension for the likes of MSV and ARR. Just because MSV is a senior most composer, he won't automatically become a trend setter. If i start listing out songs and start analyzing the nuance of each and every song, this TFM forum won't be enough. If you start saying.. Pre-1992 era.. Can we say Pre-2000 era of ARR.. Because he was a big flop in 2001 and 2002. So don't come out with weak arguments. When it comes to graceful composition and interludes there is someone to be born to match him. I am not putting down anybody's work.
  It is just that calling music directors as kuttichathans make one annoying. What is your problem pal? Why don't you live with MSV and ARR songs? Who asked you to listen to IR songs? Going by your argument.. you don't like songs like Inji Iduppazaga, Sriranga Nadhanin, Masaru Ponne, Ennai Thalatta Varuvaya, Ariraro Ariraro .. etc.
  Good keep it up. Your reasons for Sakalakalavallavan's success was ridiculous. Ambika and Silk? What is this man.. Ok now i have clearly understood you cannot argue with me on music like counter points, fusion, orchestration, melodies and all those nuances. You are no different from any other ARR fan who would say SONY bought his cassettes so he is great. PANASONIC bought his cassettes so he is great.
  You listen to what you like. We listen to what we like. For heaven's sake don't listen to post-1992 IR songs just like I don't listen to ARR songs at all.
  
  
• From: Sasi (@ 64.156.229.49) on: Fri Sep 20 22:11:01 EDT 2002
  
  Satish i disagree with you. Illayaraj music was responsible for movie success those days. You cannot call it 'run away' success. The reasons you gave were weak. I am glad you didn't include light boy's name in Sakalakala vallavan's success list. MSV is just a Light Music scorer.. end of story.. ARR is just tamil pop music scorer end of story.. IR is tamil classical music scorer.. Always classical music is gets more respect and also it lasts more than other genre music.. IR's music is predominantly western classical based.
  ARR songs are based on modern pop songs. Most difficult thing to do is classical. Illayaraja not only excelled he was prolific also.
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.45.68) on: Fri Sep 20 22:18:02 EDT 2002
  
  Speaker.. i just wanted to get out of this thread.. since he answered me i had to come here.. I have opened a thread called musical arrangments.. may be we can share our listening experiences there.. IR doesn't need any defense, just like the almighty doesn't need. His phenomenal achievments will take care of him.
  When they listen to an IR song next time, they will realize. Do you think they are not listening to "Appadi Pakkaradenna" song? I don't think so. It is just to annoy us. I am not annoyed one bit. I just thought he was asleep. Now i have found he is awake but pretends he is asleep. Why wasting energy?
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.45.68) on: Fri Sep 20 22:23:04 EDT 2002
  
  btw speaker i am not coming here again. it's kinda boring to talk to these people.. saying the same thing again and again.. Atleast we can talk about some songs and share some songs.. instead of wasting time here..
  
  

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