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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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• From: mahalaxmi (@ 203.197.129.72) on: Mon Nov 30 11:05:41 EST 1998
  
  a small clarification,
  are these ragas correct?
  mullai malar melle-kaanada
  ullathil nalla ullam-chakravagam
  nilavum malarum paduthu-mohanam
  rathiriyil pootirukum tamarai-hamsanandi
  ullavum thendral katrinile-devakanthri
  kanodu kaanbathellam thalaiva-nattai
  tanjavuru mannu yaduthu-sindu bairavi
  madavi pon mayillal-karakara priya
  yennum yennai yenna saiya poikirai-thilang
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ mail.netrisk.com) on: Mon Nov 30 17:37:44 EST 1998
  
  pee soo:
  ragangal padinaru is abheri
  
  mahalaxmi:
  i think
  kanodu kanbathellam thalaiva is abheri and
  yennum yennai yenna saiya poikirai-gambhira nattai
  
  others seem to be right.
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ mail.netrisk.com) on: Mon Nov 30 17:39:54 EST 1998
  
  Ragapriyan:
  Thanks for jana.. notes. iwill try it today again
  
  pee soo:
  i have not heard kangal enge but my raga db says that kangal enge is sudhadhanyasi.
  
  
• From: saketh (@ calloway-a-asy-7.rutgers.edu) on: Mon Nov 30 19:40:50 EST 1998
  
  vasu,
  
  Is not the song "kannodu kAnbathellAm" based (mainly) on Suddha Dhanyasi. to me, it sounds closer to SD than Aberi, though i can feel Aberi here and there (swaras??) . A tough one.
  
  
• From: pee soo (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Mon Nov 30 23:29:33 EST 1998
  
  Can somebody clarify the raagaa of 'alai meethu viLaiyaadum iLandhendralE' by bhava in a recent IR album 'kaadhal kavithai'
  
  I tunneled with three songs:
  
  *) kaNgaL angE nenjamum angE of karNan
  *) raagangaL pathinaru uruvaana varalaaRu
  *) athi kaalai nilavE, sugamaanE kanavE, suga raagam naan paadavaa [lyrics could be wrong!]
  
  Is there any relation to tehm? [Im still learning to identify raagaas. So any comment on this would help me]
  
  Thanks in advance.
  
  
• From: YGeetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Tue Dec 1 14:28:21 EST 1998
  
  Saketh: Vasu is CORRECT. We've discussed this many times, please look at the Jeans thread and also back pages of this one. I've notated the swaras which are clearly in ABHERI, not Suddha Dhanyasi(SD). The starting swaras of :
  Pa Pama Panipama Panipama Gamapa Sagasani Panipama Gamagasa Gama....are in SD, but, the song takes the whole set of Abheri swaras. As you know, the Ragas are quite close, with SD being SGMPNS SNPMGS and Abheri being SGMPNS SNDPMGRS, both JANYAS of KARAHARAPRIYA MELA.
  
  The katpana swaras are :
  
  Kannoadu Kaanbadhellaam Thalaivaa
  
  Ma Ma Ga Ga Ma Ma Sa Sa
  Ga Ga Sa Sa Ga Ga Ni Ni
  Sa Ga Ga Sa Ma Ma Sa Ga
  Ga Sa Pa Pa Sa Ga Ga Sa
  Ni Ni Sa Ga Ga Sa Saa Ni
  Dha Pa Ma Gaa Ga Ma Pa
  Ni Sa Gaa Ri Saa Sa
  A Ni Dha Paa Ma Gaa
  Ri Sa Ga Ma
  
  Kannoadu Kaanbadhellaam Thalaivaa
  
  Pa Pa Ni Ni Saa Sa Ga
  Ga Ma Ma Pa Pa Ni Ni Sa
  A Sa Ni Sa Ga Ma Pa Ni
  Dha Pa Ma Gaa Ma Pa Ni
  Sa Ga Ri Sa Ni Sa Ma Ga
  Ri Sa Ni Dha Pa Ma
  
  Kannoadu Kaanbadhellaam Thalaivaa
  
  Ree Ree Sa
  Ni Sa Ri Ri Sa Sa Ri Ri
  Ni Ni Saa Saa Ga Ri
  Sa Ni Sa Ga Ri Sa Ni Dha
  Pa Paa Paa Ni Dha Pa
  Ma Ga Ri Sa Ni Sa Gaa
  Sa Ga Ma Ga Ma Paa Ni
  Dha Pa Ma Pa Ni Ma Pa Ni
  Sa Ga Ri Saa Ga Ri Sa
  Ni Saa Ni Dha Paa Ma
  Ga Ma Pa Ma
  
  Also, to confirm with you, I've spoken about this to Nithyashree herself(who sang the song).
  
  
• From: saketh (@ calloway-a-asy-5.rutgers.edu) on: Tue Dec 1 21:14:29 EST 1998
  
  Geetha,
  
  thank you for the clarification on "kannodu kAnbathellAm" song and for the detailed kalpanA swaras.
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Tue Dec 1 22:09:21 EST 1998
  
  pee soo:
  
  I think alai meedhu viLaiyaadum iLam thendralE
  sung by B'dharini in Kadhal Kavidhai is in
  Sudhdha Dhanyasi, the same raga in which
  kaNgaL engE of Karnan is made. There
  appears to be some traces of similarity
  between the starting lines of alai meedhu
  and some lines in the charanam of kaNgaL engE.
  Also, the way a sequence of notes is first
  played in high pitch and the same ordering
  repeated again in low pitch adds to the similarity.
  
  I think alai meedhu starts as
  ppSn nSnp ppnpm..
  
  Warning:
  I am a learner and so what I have said
  above could be very wrong.
  
  p.s. I think the song would have been much better
  if it had been sung by someone other than B'dharini.
  Also, I felt that the instruments were shadowing
  the vocal too much. (Perhaps, done with intention?)
  
  
• From: peesoo (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Tue Dec 1 23:27:53 EST 1998
  
  thanks a lot raghap priyan. I also felt the same abt bhava's voice in alai meethu. but, ithellaam open-aa sonna , TFM-la theep poRi paRakkum. ;))
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.150) on: Wed Dec 2 12:39:36 EST 1998
  
  Is 'Deivam Thanda Veedu' set to Keeravani?
  Is Metti Oli Kaatrodu a combination of Sudha Danyasi and Tilang?
  
  I would like to know the Raagas of the following songs too:
  Aruna Kirana Deepam from GURU (Mal)?
  Naane Naana Yaro Taana?
  Tuyilada Penn Ondru Kanden?
  Veenai Meettum Kaigale, Malai Sootta Vaa?
  
  Many thanks
  Neels
  
  
• From: Dhandapani (@ 207.12.164.181) on: Wed Dec 2 13:03:01 EST 1998
  
  Geetha, Sorry for digging 'kannodu kaanbathellam' discussion again. When I tryed to play your notes, it doesnot sound like that song. what is 'katpana swaras' ? please clarify me . thalai vedithuvidum pola irrukku !! TIA Dhandapani
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.65) on: Wed Dec 2 13:08:39 EST 1998
  
  neels,
  metti oli kaatrodu is set in raaga Jog.
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Wed Dec 2 22:49:14 EST 1998
  
  Geetha:
  
  Did you read the latest issue of Kalki (6 Dec)?
  Someone has badly criticised her recent carnatic
  performance, for nearly two full pages!!
  
  Can someone tell me if chandhrOdhayam oru
  peNNaanadhO from the movie Chandhrodhayam
  is in Kalyani?
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Wed Dec 2 22:51:17 EST 1998
  
  
  Geetha:
  
  By "her" I meant Nithyashree.
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ mail.netrisk.com) on: Thu Dec 3 16:09:04 EST 1998
  
  Hi,
  is there a way to quickly identify m2 in a raga (as diff. from m1). somewhere on net, i read that its one of the earliest things the music listeneres learn to identify. what are its general characteristics ? i usu. find a raga by "guessing" no of notes and then by trial-n-error method on keyboard (which ga, ri,da, ni). if there are "general" methods of finding notes from experienced listeners that could be helpful, thanks. i do believe that there are such gen. methods. one of my friends with whom i used to play chess, plays it by saying that there are some "general moves" which you follow in certain situations. likwise in music too ?
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ mail.netrisk.com) on: Thu Dec 3 16:24:15 EST 1998
  
  Dhadapani:
  Kalpanaswaras -lit swaras of imagination. i believe, its used to bring out the depth of raga. its one of the places where improvisation becomes a challenge. usu it doesnt have connection with the charnam in its strict sense. ie. you cant play charanam based on kalpana swaras esp on key board. cos theres usually lots of gamakams involved.
  
  ive cassete of sopanam - a malyalam film where kjy & co sing saadhinchane in aarabhi, where he first sings swaras and then repeats charanam, here there is a correspondce, i dont know what such swaras are called btw. but its wonderful
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ mail.netrisk.com) on: Fri Dec 4 17:26:42 EST 1998
  
  Dhandapni:
  Search for "A gentle intro to Karnatic music" by Mahadevan Ramesh on the net. It gives a good understanding of Kalpanaswarams (Part 3). In fact the whole primer gives a very good understanding of carnatic music.
  
  
• From: YGeetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Sat Dec 5 06:05:04 EST 1998
  
  Dhandapani: My advice is that you use the Melakartha as Karaharapriya and then follow the swaras, you have to map the correct SGMPNS SMDPMGRS(The Avarohanam is exactly Karaharapriya). The swaras I have detailed are the ones that were used in the song, you may have noticed, at the start and at the end. The ones at the start are the SD ones and then the swaras at the end, which are Katpana swaras - Nithya made them up herself....those are the ones I detailed. Have another go, but with the Karaharapriya notes this time......Good Luck.
  
  Ragapriyan: Please can you give me a URL of the Nithyashree issue? If not, can you please give me some comments that are main to the article, as I have seen her live in London, and her concerts were excellent. I must admit, I'm not so hot on the songs she has done for Adithyan and Deva(from Venillave Vennilave and Chinna Raja). The Adithyan song was a 'lift' of a Hindi number and is a duet with Hariharan, while the Deva number is sounding very Anurada Sri-Ram like......
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ 173-254-142.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Dec 5 09:44:26 EST 1998
  
  Geetha:
  Im a frequent reader of Kalki @ www.kalkiweekly.com where you can get that article on nithyasree.
  i cant comment on Ns perfo coz i didnt see it, but the author has some narrow attitudes which are worth disregarding.
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Sun Dec 6 00:33:46 EST 1998
  
  Vasu:
  
  But similar comments came in Ananda Vikatan too!
  From the pungent comments of Kalki, it's possible
  that it was by suppudu!
  
  
• From: haris (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Mon Dec 7 04:12:19 EST 1998
  
  Nithyashree's concert
  
  nithyashree sang in a festival arranged to celebrate the 100th birthday of kumbakonam rajamanickam pillai who has made very good name as a accompanist in the yesteryears. He happen to be the grand father of tamil film actor thyagu.
  
  coming to nithyasree's concert, she had violin, mirudangam, gatam, and ganjira plus a thavil (haridvaramangalam a.k. palanivel.. has played for kannodu kanbadhellam). Thavil accompanying a vocal artist is very odd.
  
  Comments(complaints..) from kalki (reviewer=thumburu)
  1. though nithya has a very high-pitch voice (thumburu says.. mathavangallAm kashta pattu pidikkara mEl sthayi-ya thAn ivangalOda keezh sadjamam..) thoughcan sound over not 1 thavil but even all the thavil players in tamilnadu put together, what would happen to the ears of the listeners???..
  2. during Alapana in keeravani, in the higher pitch it seems, she didn't give gamakam but gave some mellisai kind of a touch. which thumburu feels is pakka adulteration(in his own words)
  3.instead of singing more alapana and neravals she sang swaraprasthabam for almost all songs.. with tempo and with some jala-vithai which thumburu feels is not good for the music.
  4. good things... she sang more tamil songs.. thavil thani was great.
  
  
• From: haris (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Mon Dec 7 04:14:27 EST 1998
  
  closing boldsorry
  
  

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