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Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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• From: Deepa (@ 165.91.179.85) on: Sun Aug 20 20:28:25 EDT 2000
  
  Nan thedum sevvandhi poo is Hindolam, but well if it sounds like Mohanam it just means u r setting a different aadhara shatjam, Mohanam and Hindolam can be got by a Shruthi Bedham of each other....
  
  like if u play G3 P D2 S R2 G3 and the descent G3 R2 S D2 P G3, it will just sound like
  S G2 M1 D1 N2 S S N2 D1 M1 G2 S of Hindolam...
  
  so if I say that the line
  Poovo idu vaasam corresponds to
  M1 M1 M1 M1.. M,,,D G,,, IN HINDOLAM....
  Then Povom ini kaadal desam would be
  D1 D1, D1 D2 N2 D2, D1, M1 G2 S
  try it out and c if it works...
  
  
• From: Deepa (@ 165.91.179.85) on: Sun Aug 20 20:33:29 EDT 2000
  
  About pachai kiligal, ideally Aabheri has a D1 though the D2 has become prevalent these days, but I would say that a D1 can be ragarded as a variant, the general cinema music deviation to add to beauty, and the remaining song may be treated as Aabheri..
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.134.137) on: Sun Aug 20 22:18:22 EDT 2000
  
  'ideally Abheri has a D1' - can you clarify this?
  
  
• From: silkfort (@ 202.9.174.141) on: Mon Aug 21 06:16:52 EDT 2000
  
  I feel the following are also in ananda bhairavi
  
  mettu podu (duet)
  anbenra mazhaiyilae ( minsara kanavu)
  Poi va maganae poi va ( karnan)
  dheendai ( en swasa katrae)
  
  some one confirm pls?
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ 12.10.193.123) on: Mon Aug 21 07:42:44 EDT 2000
  
  Can anybody lemme the know the movie of the song 'kaanchi pattuduthi kasturi pottu vechu, thevathai pol nee nadanthu vara vendum'. Who's the MD? Raja?
  
  Its a lovely adaptation of kalyana vasantham.
  
  Karthik
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.134.137) on: Mon Aug 21 09:45:53 EDT 2000
  
  Karthik: 'vayasuponnu' by MSV
  
  
• From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137) on: Mon Aug 21 11:55:45 EDT 2000
  
  Well..to add to what Deepa says about Abheri..technically it has D1 only. Even carnatic musicians sing Abheri with D2.."Nagumomu" and "Bhajare re maanasa" for wexample. But there is an excellent version, recording of Abheri with D1, by MS Subbulakshmi, Muthuswami Dikshithar's krithi "Veenabheri.."( MSS's AIR Concerts collection) with an excellent chittaswaram, a tight rope walk since you can easily glide off into any of the other Natabhairavi offsprings.Hear that for what the original Abheri is all about.So if its a nightmare for Carnatic musicians to render it with D1 even...what about cinema MD's...?:-)
  
  To add to the Sruthibedam... MLV used to do it beautifully sliding from Hindolam to Madhyamavathi and back and so also from/to Revathi and Sunadhavinodhini.It heightens musical pleasure..
  
  
• From: vasi (@ 203.199.224.2) on: Mon Aug 21 12:02:10 EDT 2000
  
  Chandrasekar:
  Gopuravasalilae female solo - i think u mean 'Naadham elundhathadi kannamma'
  For others: Its raga - Is it Sriranjani?
  
  
• From: ravi68 (@ ) on: Mon Aug 21 12:09:44 EDT 2000
  
  Vaasi.. Its not solo.. KJY also sings and defly it's Sriranjani
  
  
• From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137) on: Mon Aug 21 12:29:54 EDT 2000
  
  Well Cheenu, we can perhaps agree that its predominantly Sumanesarnjani or name it as Cheenuranjani or (Chennupriya!!!):-) .. Thanks for your great effort. But look at that melody..Superb effort by MSV for the song situation and in fact adding up that M2/N3 has pushed up its musical value...
  
  RR .."Andhamanai paarungal azgu"..it looks like
  Cheenupriya..:-)!!.Confusing....well what about the invocatory song "Vaagarthaviva Sampruththou....." in Salangai Oli.(that portion alone).Both of them look similar to me..away in US i can only hum and identify..:-)Do play on ur keyboard and let know.
  
  
• From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137) on: Mon Aug 21 12:57:44 EDT 2000
  
  Well MS/Cheenu/RR/Deepa/... what about "Paadumpothu naan thenral kaatru.."? Looks like Mohanakalyani to me.
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.7) on: Mon Aug 21 15:10:16 EDT 2000
  
  Deepa & Ravi
  
  Thanks for your nice clarification on Abheri.
  i always wonder whether abheri is a child of Natabhairavi or Karaharapriya ! now, i'm bit o.k
  
  RR,
  
  You said 'ARR is nowadays obsessed with Ananda bhairavi'. can you gimme few examples.
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.7) on: Mon Aug 21 15:15:05 EDT 2000
  
  silkfort,
  
  1. 'Mettu podu' is sure AB.
  
  2. 'Theendai' is set in Sri.
  
  3. 'Anbendre mazhaiyile' - i don't think it is in AB, i see the prayogam of D2 in arohanam.
  
  
• From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137) on: Mon Aug 21 15:52:02 EDT 2000
  
  Well thinking of this Abheri stuff..what about Jeyachandran's "Manjolai Kilidano Maandano.." from Kizhakae Pogum Rayil?
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.7) on: Mon Aug 21 16:27:21 EDT 2000
  
  Ravi
  
  'Manjolai killidano' looks like 'Sudha dhanyasi'.
  
  Possible numbers from Abheri :
  
  1. Columbus columbus from Jeans
  2. Kadhalikum pennin from Kaadhalan
  
  Experts confirm.
  
  
• From: Vidhya (@ 204.164.111.130) on: Mon Aug 21 16:46:29 EDT 2000
  
  Maanjolai kiLi - Suddha dhanyaasi
  
  Anbendra mazhaiyilae is Ananadha bhairavi,
  though "pugazh maindhaen" uses kaakali nishaadham.
  
  
• From: IR (@ 63.27.160.117) on: Tue Aug 22 08:51:55 EDT 2000
  
  Vidh - Kaakali Nishadam is an accepted foreign note in Aanandha Bhairavi... it is used in prayogas like "Sa Ni dha Ni Sa ri sa..."" Techinically it is not spelt out in the aaro/avaro of the raga
  
  
• From: IR (@ 63.27.160.117) on: Tue Aug 22 08:59:59 EDT 2000
  
  Aabheri strictly takes only Dha2 and is a janya of Karaharapriya...(22)
  
  Sa Ga2 Ma1 Pa Ni2 Sa
  Sa Ni2 Dha2 Pa Ma1 Ga2 Ri2 Sa
  
  Although I have seen some people distinguish between Aabheri and Dhanashree calling the later a janya of Natabhairavi, thereby including Dha1 instead of dha2...
  
  
• From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137) on: Tue Aug 22 11:41:15 EDT 2000
  
  Well IR ..I beg to differ with you:-)...Its has only D1..refer to the Veenabheri krithi of Dikshithar and MSS's rendition of it.The proof of the pudding lies in "hearing it"..:-). I have heard that Papanasam Sivan was so particular..a purists he is... that he never sang Abheri with D2!!!Deepa/MS/Cheenu/RR/.......Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  
• From: IR (@ 38.220.167.5) on: Tue Aug 22 11:58:21 EDT 2000
  
  ::)) ravi68... I have not heard MSS sing the Vinabheri krithi...
  
  but I do agree with you on one issue - "The proof of pudding.."" theory ::))
  
  some popular aabheri krithis are:
  Nagumomu Galeneni
  Bhajare Re Maanasa
  Eppadi Paadinaro
  Enu Dhanyalo
  
  Singaara Velane Devaa...
  
  Let me know what you think after listening to these.... Also is there a real audio file on the net for the song you are talking about?
  
  
• From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137) on: Tue Aug 22 12:17:58 EDT 2000
  
  Well IR.. There is this twin cassette album featuring a number of songs rendered by MSS for AIR-including Mamava Pattabhirama in Manirangu....
  Hey presto go it..Its at http://www.musicindiaonline.com/cgi-bin/music.cgi?Mode=List&Code=00000H&s=19&e=39...Hear it...
  
  
• From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137) on: Tue Aug 22 12:19:31 EDT 2000
  
  typo.....Sorry the hear it also go mergd woth the URL....:-)
  
  
• From: IR (@ 38.220.167.5) on: Tue Aug 22 12:39:42 EDT 2000
  
  ravi68.. you are right about dha1 in that rendition by MSS...
  
  I still hold on to my view that Abheri should have dha2 and more so because it is a janya of karaharapriya... The 4 ragas are used interchangeably (Aabheri, Dhanaashree, karnataka Devagandhari and Bhimplas) these days and like I mentioned before some people do distinguish between Aabheri and Dhanashree and as far as I know, it is only dhanashree in that case which is believed to be a janya of Natabhairavi (which takes dha1)...
  
  But, I do not have an explanation for dha1 usage in Vinabheri song...
  
  Check these other Aabheri songs out...
  
  Bhajare...
  
  http://www.musicindiaonline.com/cgi-bin/music.cgi?Mode=List&Code=00000W&a=sdiklg985kmfdsiumds98m
  
  Nagumomu
  
  http://www.musicindiaonline.com/cgi-bin/music.cgi?Mode=List&Code=000003&a=sdiklg985kmfdsiumds98m
  
  
• From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137) on: Tue Aug 22 12:54:59 EDT 2000
  
  Well..IR I do concede the fact the usage of D2 is prevalent( Nagumo,Bhajare.et al) and D1 is an exception( Veenabheri alone as i hear it,it was a revelation to me when i first heard the MSS song..well she cant be wrong,it was a googly!!), but Abheri is technically referred as a janya of Natabhairavi...probably u can delve into the melakartha and its janya books and let me know..would be nice.
  
  
• From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137) on: Tue Aug 22 12:59:00 EDT 2000
  
  Well another dumb question IR..does Dhanashree have D1..for instance the SwathiTirunaal tillana,which is the only DhanaShree piece i have heard.Any more is there?
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.7) on: Tue Aug 22 13:15:43 EDT 2000
  
  Hi Ravi and IR,
  
  i don't know how much you guys will appreciate these examples, when you are discussing keerthanais...
  
  though, i see a lot of Abheri songs with D2, there are some film songs in Abheri with D1,
  
  1. Adi rakamma kayathatu from Dhalapathi
  2. Guruvayoorappa from Pudhu pudhu arthangal.
  
  
  
• From: IR (@ 38.220.167.5) on: Tue Aug 22 13:36:36 EDT 2000
  
  ravi68 - Dhanashree - usually is sung with dha2 also(including the thillana)although some believe that it should take dha1
  
  
  
• From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Tue Aug 22 13:51:24 EDT 2000
  
  Is there a raga called "uppEri" ?
  
  :-)
  
  
• From: Vidhya (@ 204.164.111.130) on: Tue Aug 22 16:20:34 EDT 2000
  
  illai.
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.134.137) on: Tue Aug 22 23:57:02 EDT 2000
  
  Listen to these gems:
  http://www.angelfire.com/pa3/ppp/kbs.html
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.134.137) on: Wed Aug 23 05:44:54 EDT 2000
  
  ravi68 (68?) : there are a few compositions in the Hindustani Dhanasri. Go to ICM forum (link on top) and browse old reponses in 'Song stats' thread.
  Velayathavan: before you ask, no ragas called vEppEri,puzhalEri,sombEri or even kAttEri..!
  
  

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