Topic started by Vijay (@ 212.137.205.127) on Thu Nov 16 16:58:22 EST 2000.
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I'd like to request amateur composers who visit this page to tell me if they've uploaded any of their work onto the internet and if they have, please tell me where I can listen to it. Thank You.
Some composers to check out (in no particular order): Jay, Srikanth, Ganesh, Eswar, Sridhar Seetharaman, Kumar, Rjay. Vishwesh Obla
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- From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76)
on: Tue Sep 24 16:48:41 EDT 2002
AdityA: very soothing (not at all bayangaram to me :-) ). how about veRRikaLin mudhaRporuLE vEzha mukak karupporuLE or geethanjali. no bayamuRuththal there either. these vivAdhi swarams invoke a kind of desperation and sadness in me. (i dont think any carnatic rAgam invokes bayangkaram in me; they are too sweet for that ;) )
'Keep churning out composition' :-)) i started this one about two years ago and gave up after my "inspiration" left (me :-( [:-)]). will anyone be interested in "correcting" it and giving it a completion? http://www.psych.ucsb.edu/~varadhar/toquy.mid . thanks. (maTTamA irundhA mannichchikOnga.)
- From: Aditya (@ 160.231.10.192)
on: Tue Sep 24 17:47:49 EDT 2002
hihi:-)) Good it soothes you...Vivadi Swarams depresses you so low that it sometimes leads fear...This kind of fear is not like Halloween kind:-)) I enjoyed composing this piece but I ran up the stairs after finishing it like a kid and I illuminated the basement with all the lights available...Later I laughed:-))
- From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76)
on: Tue Sep 24 18:44:44 EDT 2002
AdityA :-)) well then play this ragam after watching 'the shining'!! kola nadungidum :-))).
talking about vivAdhi rAgams the most difficult should be raGupriyA - c c# d f# g a# b C = sa r1 ga1 ma1 pa da3 ni3 SA or its shudhdha madhyama counterpart thAnarUpi. we have five five successive intervals dha3 - ni3 - sa - r1 - ga1. the super composer :-) dhIkshithar has a krithi named himagiri kumAri Ishwari in raghupriyA (known as ravikriyA in his nomenclature). (i have an s. bAlachandar rendition; amudhum thEnum edhaRku?... :-) ) any other examples?
sorry for the digression.
- From: Aditya (@ 160.231.10.192)
on: Tue Sep 24 19:13:05 EDT 2002
Once in a while as an experiment it's OK guru...
I am not very particularly too keen on vivadhi ragams.
- From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.161)
on: Wed Sep 25 02:19:52 EDT 2002
Sridhar...
Thanks for the pointers !:-)
- From: satsona (@ 203.199.192.162)
on: Wed Sep 25 05:07:17 EDT 2002
aditya
very good try at a difficult raaga. composing a happy number would be a challenging one:-).
hihi
composition and the flow of ideas are too good(particularly movement of the seconds over the main Melody). the instruments could have been better. just curious, which keyboard did u use?
cheers
- From: Aditya (@ 68.62.30.39)
on: Wed Sep 25 07:15:36 EDT 2002
satsona:
HiHi:-)) provided a MIDI file. This format has no hard reference to the instrument on which it was played. When you play it on your computer...it uses your sound card. So these sounds are designed to be generic on all kinds of media - so a big compromise. However if you just
assign a good sound module to this one...it will sound a lot better.
regards,
Aditya
- From: Aditya (@ 68.62.30.39)
on: Wed Sep 25 07:24:27 EDT 2002
HiHi:-))
If you remember the instrument names in the tracks, let me know...I will record it with appropriate sounds available with me...If you have a way of changing yourself a better chord ( triad note ) at 0:11. I am not here to correct but to lend you some of the greatest sounds and effects in the market:-))
Regards,
Aditya
- From: kicha (@ 210.210.56.197)
on: Wed Sep 25 08:12:00 EDT 2002
Dear Aditya..hi!!! My Sruthi is 2.5(i.e.rendrai kattai or D sharp)..Thanx forliking the vocal arrangements..listened to your scary track..while listening to it..i could imagine vocals based on some bhairavi raagams could be used as addons to get it more intense...not sure whether all bairavi notes can be worked out..anyway looking forward for great music from you..(planning a vocal track it seems)....bye
- From: Aditya (@ 160.231.10.136)
on: Wed Sep 25 09:03:37 EDT 2002
Kicha:
Imagine vocals in "Mukhari" or "Husseini":-)) BTW scary is not the right term here.
Imagine in the middle of the night you woke up and suddenly you found GOD or somebody whom you idolized infront of you...how would you react:-))
This is exactly what this track feels.
Regards,
Aditya
- From: Aditya (@ 160.231.5.136)
on: Wed Sep 25 09:14:09 EDT 2002
Sridhar:
Swamiji is another gifted artist I met in this forum. I am glad that I was introduced to this website by a friend in 1999. The first score that I heard here was Annan Srikanth's Peacock Dance...
it's still lingering...then the first song that I paid interest here in understanding how it could have programmed was your "WhyNot"...Until that time I thought people play the rhythm in live specially "MisraChapu" kind of things...then i learnt that it could be programmed too...then i moved to understanding the time signature concepts...Did you guys see how srikanth used to write in "Raga thread" - Time Signature stuff...I miss him here...He's too busy these days.
Regards,
Aditya
- From: Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 192.147.58.6)
on: Wed Sep 25 10:34:06 EDT 2002
Aditya,
Since you have a carnatic background, I would appreciate your comments on my composition "Persistence" from a classical viewpoint.
- From: Sam (@ 132.235.18.15)
on: Wed Sep 25 14:08:10 EDT 2002
Aditya, no I am not doing a bachelors or masters in Music. Sorry for a late reply.
Satsona/Kaumudi ur welcome. Those links I gave talk abt counterpoint only. U can start looking into other issues like Instrumentation etc to better appreciate music, esp western, be it classical or someother.
One small question, do u guys feel that theres a difference between counterpoint and harmony?
- From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76)
on: Wed Sep 25 14:13:40 EDT 2002
satsOnA: i didn't use any keyboard for this composition:-) i just typed everything on to noteworthy composer. thanks for listening.
AdityA: thanks. standard instruments. obviously, piano is giving the (metronomic) introduction. the flute begins and violin immediately follows. towards the end when i alternate between Emaj and Amin, the triangles come on followed by drums, stings, cello and double bass. well... i would be glad if you improve the song (or make it sound good). i tried to compose on I-IV-II-V progression. I couldn't about IIdim tho'. if you can give it a different spin, please do so.
- From: Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 192.147.58.6)
on: Wed Sep 25 14:13:55 EDT 2002
Counterpoint is one kind of harmony writing.
- From: Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 192.147.58.6)
on: Wed Sep 25 14:45:20 EDT 2002
HiHi is our local ilaiyaraja. Directly writes his music.
- From: Aditya (@ 160.231.5.136)
on: Wed Sep 25 16:13:55 EDT 2002
Sridhar:
Regarding the Persistence Score...
Have you performed Grahabedam in Kalyani Scale. From the Arrangements, you seem to be aware of Bridge, and Connector Model. I would like to do Section by Section Walkthru and need the following information...
Though I could trace a form in this song I prefer you to help me identify the sections exactly in time like Intro, Bridge, Connector, Outro etc., Let me know if you have tried to make a Style ( Blues/Jazz/Coutry/Rock etc., ) in particular. Modulation was done in the scale to give a feel of Natabhairavi. Don't bother if you can't find any of this information...I will try to do it for you whenever I get free time.
Summary...musically it's good.
Regards,
Aditya
- From: Aditya (@ 160.231.10.136)
on: Wed Sep 25 16:26:45 EDT 2002
hihi:-)
It will sound better if it was performed by human rather than software performance -> there could be so much of difference in expressive feel of this piece...
Regards,
Aditya
- From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249)
on: Wed Sep 25 18:12:20 EDT 2002
hihi..gnani thaan ponga :) Like Aditya say, this needs to be played on real instruments..for a compromise on a keyboard..(TIP: demand a Triton / Trinity or whatever keyboard as dowry ..along with the female singer :))
- From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249)
on: Wed Sep 25 18:30:53 EDT 2002
Sridhar..I like Persistence..It sounds fresh for the most part..better recording..keyboard might make this still better. Have you heard an album called 'Tubular Bells' ?. I dont like that album that much but your work seems to be some what like that but I like yours (because of a strong indian melodic line, probably). It seems to be like a usually formally dressed person (WCM) on a casual friday (essences are there but not overtly strict/formal) ..(since I am not musically trained, I have to resort to analogies like this !!)
- From: Aditya (@ 68.62.30.39)
on: Wed Sep 25 18:34:53 EDT 2002
Kiru:
Your reviews on IR's rock influences doesn't make me feel you're not musically trained...infact I feel your ear is trained well.
- Aditya
- From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76)
on: Wed Sep 25 18:54:46 EDT 2002
kAna mayilAda kaNdirundha vAnkOzhi :-))
- From: Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 24.189.195.219)
on: Wed Sep 25 19:04:43 EDT 2002
Kiru: Thanks for listening. I like your analogies. Very interesting. I will try to listen to 'Tubular Bells'. Give me more info like composer etc.
Aditya: I did pick up Kalyani as a base scale. I am not sure if I explored it as araga with the gamakams and prayogams. I would let you explore more and come back with your story.
- From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249)
on: Wed Sep 25 20:14:22 EDT 2002
Aditya..thanks..hihi dont say things like that ..when thanksgiving is around (roast panniduvaanga ) :) .
Sridhar ..Tubular Bells is 1973 album by Mike Oldfield. It is a genre defying score that was ahead of its time. I think people might call it ambient these days..I havent played it much..since my wife asked, "Is the CD scatched and stuck on a track" :) Still you and other people here might find it interesting.. This has been currently released on multi-channel SACD (new high resolution audio format).
Talking about rock influences..I was listening to Hell freezes Over yesterday..Even though there were a few songs with guitar ostinato (thanks rjay :)) majority of the songs..the orchestration seems to highlight the tune/singing. I think this is the way to go (or atleast my taste). I see many of you doing it this right way which is why I am happy and postive in my feedback..But not sure whether this will appeal commercially..I am digressing now..later
- From: Aditya (@ 68.62.30.39)
on: Wed Sep 25 20:48:47 EDT 2002
Sridhar:
starting 2:00 first 4 bars bridge ( may we call ) is very intersting but the next 4 bars was slightly monotonous. The bridge finally puts us into what we may call scale modulation which appears you entered into Natabhairavi scale...then later when you come back to kalyani...it was abrupt...appeared there was no bridge. These are my initial observations. I will come up with a more formal review...
Regards,
Aditya
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