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thiruvasakam in symphony

Topic started by Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 67.83.146.59) on Mon Apr 7 15:33:24 EDT 2003.
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http://www.thiruvasakaminsymphony.com/v_eng.htm#8a

Official audio release from Ilaiyaraaja.

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• From: * (@ 161.114.64.74) on: Thu Feb 12 12:37:06 EST 2004
  
  the CM comment was funny :-D
  
  
• From: agneyen (@ 138.88.161.13) on: Thu Feb 12 12:48:48 EST 2004
  
  Raja's contribution to music is world music, I dont want to specify it as tamil or south indian.
  
  Your spiritual harmony (c,g) is what breaks the world. Many people still associate spirituality to religion which again divides people.you have done it yourself.
  
  You analogy for Tax payer and selecting CM are totally unrelated. The fault lies in the social system. Adminstration and execution of laws which gives you better candidate and not by questioning.
  
  It's mututal benefit if you are paying taxes. You can afford to pay more to projects by going with itemized tax deduction.
  
  There are two categories of people who donate money to temple.One who will put few dollars and other one after asking lot of questions . will give away in big chunks. They get satisfaction of fulfilling some wish and that's their main goal. God is secondary. Don't you question your god by going to temple in first place ? Isn't it true that it's only for personal reason ? Do you go to temple for world peace ??
  
  I don't care about spirituality nor about deity. I am paying for a pleasure to listen to IR.IF not IR I won't even think of donating.
  
  
  
  
• From: Yanni (@ 63.64.13.24) on: Thu Feb 12 13:58:55 EST 2004
  
  Lack of true faith in GOD and lack clear understanding of religion is what causing problem. Well I do not want to get into that topic as this is debatable.
  
  Tell me what did you feel when SEP 11 happened (of course I am taking this one example from many), did you not think why these kind of things happening in the world. Again, this is lack of clear understanding of the religion. May be religion is what the reason for the problem in the world now but at least it is not meant to be. So this is also an effort to make people understand and increase in faith of GOD.
  
  Every body will have their own definition of World peace, If you pray for others happiness then that is an effort towards world peace. I went to temple the following day of SEP -11 to pray for the souls died that day. Did I go to temple for me that day? No. There are still few people pray for other souls also, Raja is one among them.
  
  
• From: SSS (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Thu Feb 12 14:17:07 EST 2004
  
  Somehow we resisted the temptation to answer Mr. 'agneyan's mail' and hoped that "Yanni' will come up with a suitable one! And, he did! Thanks.
  YIA!!
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.3.33) on: Thu Feb 12 14:19:26 EST 2004
  
  Yanni,
  
  what did u do when there were people marching down the streets to condemn US's war againt Iraq?Did you go to temple after the attack was complete and prayed for the souls who were dead due to the attack? clearly you had a chance to hav avoided that attack but u shunned that thinking God will take care.
  Sep-11 had nothing to do with Religion. it was a counter attack by the people of third world against US's monopoly over the world. at such time praying alone wont help. it needs courage to understand the truth and act accordingly.
  BTW iam a HCIRF and going to listen to TIS for the pleasure of listening to IR as pointed out by agneyen.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.3.33) on: Thu Feb 12 14:32:00 EST 2004
  
  Yanni,
  
  and definitely dont believe that Wrold peace will be acieved thro TIS. Religion is one such thing which makes people forget their worries for the time being.while it gives a pseudo feeling of getting away with the problem one faces, in reality it deepend the problem. this crap is being said again and again by IR that Religion will bring peace to the world. while he fails to address the basic issues for world peace. i felt like laughing when i heard him say in his 'geethanjali' album that "intha padalgal kaettu kodana kodi yaelai makkal aanmigathil karainthu thangal thunbangalai theerthu kolvargal". i felt like asking him "appuram sothukka enna vazhi".
  so cut this crap of promoting world peace etc., and get ahead with promoting a symphony with enriched tamizh literature and music frm 'Tamizh maan'.
  
  
• From: Yanni (@ 63.64.13.24) on: Thu Feb 12 14:40:52 EST 2004
  
  I neither said counter attack is what the solution nor supported it? As I mentioned we pray for every body.
  Of course this could be a pure entertaining pleasure for you but the intention is up above than that, which is creating a spiritual faith in you. The option is yours.
  
  
• From: agneyen (@ 65.162.94.250) on: Thu Feb 12 14:42:00 EST 2004
  
  Yanni;
  I understand your point but Our opinions differ on religion and gods etc. I appreciate answers you tried to come up with on my query. It was mature and healthy.
  
  
  I personally too much in to the advaita track. Thiruvasakam is dvaita and not what I would like to dvelve into.Religions are there only due to one human element, fear.
  
  Again faith is misnomer , you keep faith or belief into something which you don't know. If you know then you won't call it as Faith.
  
  sorry for the digression..
  
  
• From: mnt (@ 198.73.152.100) on: Thu Feb 12 14:43:07 EST 2004
  
  Angeneyan's original questions as to the Tax deductibility of the donation still remains unanswered.
  
  Angeneyan: Yes. the donations are tax deductible in the US, as the TiS team has tied up with FeTNA.
  
  SSS can ellaborate on that.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.3.33) on: Thu Feb 12 14:49:40 EST 2004
  
  Yanni,
  
  u didnt answer to the basic questions ive posed and trying to escape. the option is urs always as whether to face the issues directly or to get away frm it.
  i agree that u pray for everyone but i asked u what u did when it was within ur reach to stop something? were u praying at that time too? if so even the god u believe wont forgive u.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.3.33) on: Thu Feb 12 14:53:14 EST 2004
  
  ufffff,
  
  with that mnt's post get back on track everyone.
  sorry for digression... :-)
  
  
• From: agneyen (@ 65.162.94.250) on: Thu Feb 12 14:54:08 EST 2004
  
  Thanks 'mnt'. That's what I wanted to know.
  
  
• From: Yanni (@ 63.64.13.24) on: Thu Feb 12 14:56:58 EST 2004
  
  Rajasaranam!
  
  I am John-Q public, what maximum I can do is pray for every budy's goodness and if possible do something. People like Raja can go a step ahead to spread the same. I am not a senate memeber to veto uncle SAM.
  
  
• From: SSS (@ 192.147.58.6) on: Thu Feb 12 15:10:50 EST 2004
  
  Yes. The donations are tax deductible in the US, as the TiS team has tied up with Tamil Nadu Foundation USA Inc.
  
  
• From: Vatsa (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Thu Feb 12 15:50:13 EST 2004
  
  Hi All,
  
  I dont know why people confuse TiS with world peace. I would like IR to be a musician than trying to be a Michael Jackson. Whoever contributed to the project, contributed for IR's music and tamil literature. I would like to add to someone's point before if there is a delay it will be frurstrating even for hardcore IR fan. Though, it will still be frurstrating, it will be better if there are reasons given for the delay and also, the status of the project once in a while. Its more of a black box now. Its not the money, many have devoted time and energy on this project.
  
  Vatsa
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Thu Feb 12 16:50:52 EST 2004
  
  First, let me SSS (those three nice people) for all the hardwork and dedication they are putting into this project. As an ardent lover of IR's music, I would have loved to volunteer more time than money. But I am not in a position to volunteer time. Considering that I know how difficult it is to make time for activities apart from your career and family, my respect for SSS is very immense. I think these folks are doing a fantastic service.
  
  First of all I want to share my view of why this public funding for TIS is a good idea - This music is classical and spiritual. Looking at the current state of our society, moderately prosperous and extremely fashionalbe, serious music has losts its place and prominence. There IS no motive for IR or anybody like him to attempt something like this. If I were IR, I see no reason to do something like this with the audience in mind. But if at all, there are quite a few people for care for things like this, this is an opportunity for them to show how serious they are. If somebody is not willing to donate a check for $20, very unlikely they would even bother to buy a CD when this is out. Maybe, some will do, there should be enough people behind an artiste to attempt a project like this.
  I am sure IR has seen crores of rupees. But this money is going to make him really happy. Because he knows these came from people - who have trust in him..who trust him to do something like this. This very fact is what I think is motivating him..apart from his own drive..or whatever he feels his calling is..
  
  Re: Spirituality..world freedom etc..I think we are being overly simplistic about this. rAjA creates enormous amount of creative output. If he feels there is some divine purpose/intent in it, it can only enhance his output. Even if you do not believe in god (I think rajasaranam is an athiest) Music itself can be considered divine (and many do). Music does what praying does to many people..consoles..soothese comforts. And ofcourse, I think Mr.Brahma, Mr Siva do not send faxes/emails to get your wanting accomplished. They only make you stronger to achieve this. So I suggest to people, not to paint a religious color to this. Considering that a christian priest is a prime mover (I even mentioned to Father Jegath he must be a noble soul to do this) ..for all practical purposes this can be considered a very secular work.
  
  Thanks for your patience in reading through this.
  
  
• From: SSS (@ 66.57.14.197) on: Thu Feb 12 20:16:50 EST 2004
  
  Dear all,
  'Yanni' has sighted in his first mail the following
  World peace
  Spirituality
  Music
  Tamil
  Religion
  God
  Siva
  Raja
  This is like a buffet! No one is forcing you to take everything. Whatever appeals to you, you take it! The amazing fact is that IIR is able to bring out all these elements with this symphony! With one stroke, he is accomplishing all these. If any of these is not palatable to any one, they are welcome to disregard that alone.
  Mr. Agneyan is perfectly right in saying that civapurANam is 'dualistic' but a deep reading will convince one that it emenated from a soul who merged with the one thereby proclaiming 'non-dualistic' ideals only. That's what we tried to convey to you by explaining the verses . We hope you all remember that!! Just to re-cap your memory, we will once again print the earlier verses which will explain the UNIVERSALITY' of this. Get ready!!
  
  

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