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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Mon Jul 24 12:06:13 EDT 2000
  
  vaNNam konda veNNilavEy from kabHi kHudh pE kabHi haalaath pE rOnaa aayaa.
  
  kurukku chiruththavaLey from saavan kaa maheenaa pavan karEy sOru..
  
  ilamaiyenum (I am guessing) Is it 'mei kahin kavi na banjaoon, thEraa pyaar me ai kavithaa'? (which has a somewhat similar tune but a different sandham (and a very very ordinary BGM music compared to iLamai)
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Mon Jul 24 13:27:30 EDT 2000
  
  G:
  
  vaNNam koNda veNNilavE has a striking resemblance to "JagadhOdhaaraNaa adisheedhaLashODhaa".
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.123) on: Mon Jul 24 14:12:22 EDT 2000
  
  rajaG,
  u are bingo on kurukku siruthavale. i had a strong feeling that i had listened to the opening lines somewhere before. Nowadays a lot of ARRs songs give u the feeling that u have already listened to them before.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on: Mon Jul 24 14:23:21 EDT 2000
  
  Vijay: I cannot take credit for discovering the similarity. I believe it was mentioned by SPB in the Bay area concert recently.
  
  
  
• From: e.hari (@ webproxy05qfe0.sbi.com) on: Mon Jul 24 15:36:27 EDT 2000
  
  I feel the saranam of the vannan konda vennilavi
  sounds close to the saranam of 'annan oru koil enral'.
  
  e.hari
  
  
• From: rj (@ 206.152.113.154) on: Mon Jul 24 16:36:07 EDT 2000
  
  Looks like,
  MDs like MSV, Raja and ARR take inspirations
  rather than copy the notes! I think they
  perceive melodies in a different level and
  so they take the skeleton and give a different
  form rather than tracing the contour!
  The skeleton could be the harmonic framework,
  or the melodic framework (raagam) and the
  feel (thalam) or even a specific way of using
  an instrument!
  
  Here is my list of possible inspirations:
  
  MSV:
  
  Irandu kaigal naanganal : Yae dostagi
  
  Raja
  Kadal kasakkudhayya: Manmadha leelaiyai
  vendrar undo
  
  Vaanuyardha solaiyilae : Nenjam marappadhillai
  (especially the intro)
  
  ARR
  
  Kannodu kaanbadellam : singara velanae deva
  En veetu thottathil : Nadavindhu kaladee
  
  Maybe these are far fetched. But I am trying
  to see if others can see a similarity and
  explain why...
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Mon Jul 24 16:47:45 EDT 2000
  
  singara vElanE -> KaNNOdu -> a bit far fetched RJ :-) all the others are definitely acceptable for me.
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 206.152.113.154) on: Mon Jul 24 17:32:50 EDT 2000
  
  MS
  
  The themes that are similar are:
  Thavil Mridhangam based dance songs,
  both in Abheri, with female lead,
  With extended Swara-singing interludes!
  
  ;)
  RJ
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Mon Jul 24 17:55:20 EDT 2000
  
  
  ARR : kuchi kuchi raakamma - senthamizh thenmozhiyal(i have mentioned this before)
  the line "pombmalaiku then pidikkum" is exactly similar to 'parukida thalai kunivaal' from the original
  
  
  
• From: gundu (@ dot.icn.state.ia.us) on: Mon Jul 24 17:59:07 EDT 2000
  
  hi,
  
  guys don't u think telephone manipol getting inspired from ace of base is a bit far-fetched ...?? looks like absolute coincidence to me .. also, today when I was in a local bus here in iowa city, heard the tune of deva's song in "avvai shanmughi" ... that last song where kamal and meena sing about separation and all that pain .... deva is a total god in serendipity ... :)))
  
  gundu
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Mon Jul 24 18:09:45 EDT 2000
  
  and 'raaman kathai kelungal' from chipikkul muthu seems to have been self-inspired from chinna kannan azhaikiraan. the notes are similiar for the opening line atleast.
  
  
• From: haris (@ inet-fw4-o.oracle.com) on: Mon Jul 24 18:21:40 EDT 2000
  
  Line-To-Line..
  aruvA manayil narukkariyE (azhaga rakshasi) = Thalayai kuniyum thAmarayE..
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Mon Jul 24 18:35:06 EDT 2000
  
  haris, well, 'narukarriye' is sloightly different from thamaraye. plus since this is not the beginning of the pallavi u can just call it as a case of coincidence w.r.t. similiarity in swaras. Our MDs just need the first line of the pallavi and then they can beautifully develop that into a song. In 99% of the songs discussed in this thread, the similiarity ends with the first one or two lines of the pallavi. adhukappuram yaar venumnaalum adha tunea pottukkalaam. But how much they improvise and creat further using that base is what differs from one MD to another. a good case of developing the base tune is that of IR's endha poovilum vaasam undu. just listen to the original in the copied songsl list. IR has almost copied the whole pallavi and keeps repeats the first few notes of the prelude albeit in a different scale in the 2nd interlude. he also uses the flute beautifully in the first interlude that lends a rustic folk-like touch to the song.
  
  
• From: isai (@ 63.102.55.194) on: Mon Jul 24 18:51:13 EDT 2000
  
  Regarding Tamil to Hindi copies:
  Ek do theen (Tezaab) was lifted from Annen annen sippay annen (Kozhi koovudhu).
  Anand Milind lifted several (in fact innumerable!) # of songs of IR and kept saying they composed it originally.
  
  
• From: prakash (@ inh1ts12-qfe0.ims.bt.net) on: Mon Jul 24 19:21:38 EDT 2000
  
  I was watching Tirunelveli yesterday and a piece of BGM was sooo familiar-repeated again and again-it was the first line of kaadhal kadidham theetave from jodi-i , as a HCIRF,cannot imagine that IR ,of all persons would flick a ARR tune for a BGM piece-another eg of musical coincidence.
  
  
• From: KITKAT (@ pm-82-122.tm.net.my) on: Mon Jul 24 21:46:27 EDT 2000
  
  Innum Rhythm songs vera varanumaa:-)
  
  
• From: Curious_Copier (@ durham-ar1-228-095.dsl.gte.net) on: Tue Jul 25 21:11:08 EDT 2000
  
  Digression
  Isn't playing songs over internet by so many .coms and amateurs against copyright law?
  Aren't they including newtfmpage violating the law?
  Please throw some light.
  
  
• From: Bug (@ goliath5.primary-server.net) on: Tue Jul 25 22:51:35 EDT 2000
  
  curious_copier,
  
  yep, all the sites running the show with songs in their site thinking as if they own the company is definetely illegal.infact i think this might affect the sales to certain extent.
  
  luckily newtfmpage isn't hosting any songs by themselves, but recently they also started by bringing rare songs collection.
  
  like the western audio companies which came upon mp3 stuff etc....i think soon the indian audio companies will deal with this problem as the internet awareness in india is skyrocketing.already many audio companies in india like pyramid, AVM , sangeetha etc have been sold to bigger giants cos they couldn't cope up with the piracy and the loss in the market. I don't think the audio companies will take this lightly as we have taken away their living.
  
  audio companies can deal with this in several ways one among them is giving the info to IRS...they will calculate the income these sites made on a day today basis and finish off these sites I guess.
  
  anyway erukkum varai enjoy pannuvom endra policy pola erukku sites like raaga.com.
  
  Bug
  
  
• From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu) on: Wed Jul 26 02:20:11 EDT 2000
  
  hairs, vijay and others :
  
  Raga similarity doesnt consitute a copy. two or more songs set in same raga (talayai kuniyum thaamaraiye and azhagaana rakshashiyae) are bound to have similarities. This point has been discussed loud and clear several times. Theres no point in raking it up again, again & again. Before posting your accusations/suscipions on copies, please go through the archives!!!
  
  chandy
  
  
• From: ararsal purasal (@ hlr-81-49.tm.net.my) on: Wed Jul 26 04:58:27 EDT 2000
  
  http://newtfmpage.com/copied/russ1.mp3
  
  Listen to the above track. (Suttufied from a egroup for ARR) I would like to know whether any body heard this b4. This was supposed to have been played by a russian orchestra in a dd program last year. Can somebody give me an insight on this?
  
  
• From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu) on: Wed Jul 26 05:34:08 EDT 2000
  
  arasal, the piece does have some traces of bombay theme music. Can you give more info on whats this russian orchestra, and when did they compose this?
  
  chandy
  
  
• From: haris (@ inet-fw2-o.oracle.com) on: Wed Jul 26 14:46:14 EDT 2000
  
  chandy,
  
  traces-nnu chollitteengalE.. appattamAna copy.
  when did they compose this? dig! dig!! all the best..
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Wed Jul 26 15:40:31 EDT 2000
  
  its close to a copy, perhaps as close as u can get;)) but sill doesnt qualify exactly as a copy. But ARR has been definitely inspired by this piece. he has tinkered with the notes a little bit here and there, but yes u can definitely add this to his list of inspirations.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Wed Jul 26 15:56:04 EDT 2000
  
  if "entha poovilum vaasam uNdu" is branded a copy, this is on par with it...
  
  ..and the former was indeed branded a copy. So let us not relax the rules.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Wed Jul 26 15:58:30 EDT 2000
  
  endha poovilum vaasam undu is A note-by-note copy
  whereas this is not. MS, u should know better;))
  
  this is almost a copy and thats how u can describe it. IR just did a ctrl C and V in endha poovilum whereas ARR has modified the original a little bit here
  
  
• From: NJ (@ pppa32-resaledavenport1-3r7231.saturn.bbn.com) on: Wed Jul 26 19:18:32 EDT 2000
  
  Originals a ketka ketka enakku nenju vali adhigamaayitte pogudhe.... Aaandavaaa... !
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Wed Jul 26 19:36:26 EDT 2000
  
  NJ
  for a change listen to Deva's tamil songs;))
  
  
• From: Sabesan (@ ws-209-233-228-254.webvangroup.com) on: Wed Jul 26 19:49:01 EDT 2000
  
  vijay r u sure IR did a Ctrl C and V? cause i remember reading sometime back in some other thread, only the starting piece alone is a copy and not anything else (i haven't heard the Original).....
  
  but for me, that song really sounds IRish...
  
  
• From: NJ (@ pppa20-resaledavenport3-4r7061.saturn.bbn.com) on: Wed Jul 26 19:54:37 EDT 2000
  
  Vijay,
  
  Seekaram mela poirven... ;)
  
  Naveen
  
  

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