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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: prakash (@ inh1ts12-qfe0.ims.bt.net) on: Wed Jul 19 18:13:21 EDT 2000
  
  as new skeletons come tumbling out everyday, i cannot but help making one observation.
  unlike other composers raja has never denied having been inspired by other composers.this i feel is because he has such deep belief in his own capacity to make original music-compositions like HTNI and Nbw just to name a few.
  I am just listening to the scottish symphony by mendelssohn-there is a line in the sleeve note which says"structural cogency of movement greatly resembles that of first movement of schumans symphoy with which it is a contemporary"so even the greatest of the composers have not escaped this observation that their composition resembles someone else`s.
  I think raja is a honest composer-he has always maintained music is nothing but cheating the public-he does not take refuge in statements alluding to divine inspiration or that he does not listen to others music.
  after all guys,we have some one who is still going strong as regards to quality,even after almost 800 movies and still daring to attempt new music!Incidentally,this is a question which has always fascinated me- would AR rehman have succeeded s well as he has done in north, if he had had a typical south indian name like mahadevan or viswanathan.(or ilayaraaja!)
  
  
• From: haris (@ inet-fw4-o.oracle.com) on: Wed Jul 19 19:42:23 EDT 2000
  
  vimal,
  
  Can u give the link for the original for the 'kappalEri pOyAchu ' beat??
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Wed Jul 19 19:50:31 EDT 2000
  
  Guys,
  the original version of the song 'love of the common people'(released in 1983) had this prelude with the beats which was copied in akkdaanu naana nada potta and malargale malargale song. but the version i find on the net these days is a shortr one and the long prelude has been shortened considerably. if any of u have the priginal long version i would like u to post the link(mp3 or ra) on the copied songs page.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Wed Jul 19 19:52:04 EDT 2000
  
  Chandy,
  u are right. i read about him intamilcinema.com. it seems this guy, ceylon manohar, had acted with our big stars way back in the 70s and is planning a comeback. this 'surangani' song is from the movie 'avar enakke sondham', i guess, which in contrast had the IR classic uravugal thodarkathai.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Wed Jul 19 19:55:36 EDT 2000
  
  uravugaL thodarkathi is from avaL appadiththaan.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Wed Jul 19 20:15:19 EDT 2000
  
  Oh! I meant 'devan thiruchabai malargale';))
  
  
• From: CRV (@ ww2.ssbcd.co.om) on: Thu Jul 20 01:21:24 EDT 2000
  
  Vijay,
  
  Do you mean 'avar enakke sondham' had two MDs - IR and Ceylon Manohar? Pls clarify.
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ cbin-dns.cisco.com) on: Thu Jul 20 07:05:42 EDT 2000
  
  ceylon manohar was one of the pop singers of early 80s. he has released a coupla albums (which are predominantly "dabba-kuchchi" types ).
  
  He has acted in some movies (typically villain's side kick with sai baba type hairstyle )
  
  
• From: Prabu (@ 63.144.116.253) on: Thu Jul 20 15:02:40 EDT 2000
  
  Hi,
  
  Is "ba ba ba, bababri, bababa bababari pudhu mappillaiku nalla yogamada" song from appoorva sagotharargal a copy from Beach boy song "bar bar bar barbar ann". The humming looks exactly same with words pronounciation almost same.
  
  I never suspected this song to be copy. Feedback needed on this.
  
  
  
• From: Naveen Jebaraj (@ proxy2o.dpn.deere.com) on: Thu Jul 20 16:33:38 EDT 2000
  
  
  Hello Srikanth... :) where are you?????
  
  Naveen
  
  
• From: Naveen Jebaraj (@ proxy2o.dpn.deere.com) on: Thu Jul 20 16:45:10 EDT 2000
  
  Prabu,
  
  Check the Old Responses. We discussed this topic long back.
  
  Naveen
  
  
  
• From: haris (@ inet-fw4-o.oracle.com) on: Thu Jul 20 18:27:07 EDT 2000
  
  The first interlude in the song 'ethanai periya manidhanukku - ethanai siriya manamirukku..' - sounds exactly like 'ranga rangayyA engE pOnAlum..' from 'Varumayin niram sigappu..'
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.223) on: Fri Jul 21 01:07:59 EDT 2000
  
  haris, if that's so it's just a recycle:-)
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Fri Jul 21 02:19:41 EDT 2000
  
  Guys,
  Who was the MD for the song 'aayirathil oruthi amma nee"? was it veda? the song seems to have been heavily inspired if not copied(atleast the opening lines) from 'ajeeb dastaan yeh hai' a lata mangeshkar classic from the movie dil apna aur preet parayi.
  
  
• From: Prabu (@ 63.144.116.253) on: Fri Jul 21 10:07:43 EDT 2000
  
  Naveen Jebaraj,
  
  Can you tell me where to check? [url?] Or can you give the responses again if not the url?
  
  Thank you.
  
  Prabu
  
  
• From: Naveen Jebaraj (@ proxy2o.dpn.deere.com) on: Fri Jul 21 11:37:39 EDT 2000
  
  http://newtfmpage.com/forum/5670.17550.07.23.36.html
  
  Prabu,
  check this url. keep on clicking Old Responses. you'll find many Ba Ba Bari s
  
  Naveen.
  
  
• From: Prabu (@ 63.144.116.253) on: Fri Jul 21 16:01:47 EDT 2000
  
  Thanks naveen, it was me who posted that..previously, but i couldnt find it..so i posted it again...
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  From: srikanth (@ sttl6400gw3poola43.sttl.uswest.net) on: Sat Jul 15 11:10:10 EDT 2000
  
  
  aarpee,
  beach boys are very very old guys like the beatles.
  
  btw: I have posted this many times here, I will do it again, those words (bha bha) are called as "scats" something like the words "tha dha ree nana" in carnatic music,anyone can use it.
  so I dont think so this is a copy.
  check the other scores in the song, it is out of the world.
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  I am not saying IR copied because of the word BHa, i am saying because of the tune + rythm is same as Ba ba ba bababari..I dont have the song right now..but i am sure you can find it on internet..
  
  There is no need to be defensive, every MD has copied from someone at somepoint of time..
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Jul 21 16:42:54 EDT 2000
  
  prabhu, things will clear our once you tell the beach boys song. Somehow find it for all of us.
  
  the chord progression g/d7/g… is very std. progression in many English scores
  As far as other musical parts are concerned, the arrangement in that score will be among the top arrangements in any form of music at least for another 200 years.
  I am very serious about this statement.
  
  Btw: defending …who….me… (So you are new to newtfmpage.com :)
  
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 205.252.37.3) on: Fri Jul 21 17:14:40 EDT 2000
  
  Srikanth:
  :-))) Neengalum IR fanatic-unnu per eduthaacha ? Soopar ! :-)))) Welcome to the club !
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Jul 21 17:28:28 EDT 2000
  
  sri, anyday I support good music,
  I will never hesitate to tell it out LOUD..
  did you hear me ....SUPPORT GOOD MUSIC
  the problem is the word "good" it is very subjective...:))
  
  
• From: NaNbaN (@ 1cust239.tnt15.dfw5.da.uu.net) on: Sun Jul 23 05:31:14 EDT 2000
  
  Pradhu
  "pudhu mappillaiku nalla yogamada" is re-tuned from a MSV song sung by TMS. IR himslef told this on DD. I have bad memory I forgot the original song. If I recollect I will post it here.
  
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  IR's old song "Malaiyil Pootha Mallighai Pookkalae Manmadhan Sindhidum Punnaghai Meengalae..." from the movie "Engamma Maharani" is BoneyM's Theme Song in Oceans of Fantasy.
  
  The prelude and pallavi in IR's song is copied from the strong base humming in the BONEYM's theme song.
  
  The IR's song is SPB section of
  http://members.xoom.com/vetrivels/
  
  NaNbaN
  (Sorry If it was already posted)
  
  
• From: SL (@ snfca060-0302.splitrock.net) on: Sun Jul 23 06:10:53 EDT 2000
  
  Hi Friend, that was tuned by Shankar-Ganesh.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 63-217-90-105.sdsl.cais.net) on: Sun Jul 23 12:19:09 EDT 2000
  
  NaNbaN:
  The MSV number which inspired "Pudhu Maapillaikku" is "Naan paarthathile, aval oruthiyai thaan". Apparently, this was a request from Kamal.
  
  
• From: vasi (@ 202.54.63.24) on: Sun Jul 23 13:41:38 EDT 2000
  
  I think "Snehidhane" of ARR is inspired from "Kaatrinile varum geetham" sung by MS.
  When I played the former in the keyboard,I found this similarity.
  
  
• From: NaNbaN (@ 2cust12.tnt57.dfw5.da.uu.net) on: Sun Jul 23 14:05:35 EDT 2000
  
  SL:
  May be I was duped by the bongo-beat and the Violin overlays, the song orchestration is very similiar to Priya songs . Is it really Shankar-Ganesh?. I am little embarrased being a IR fan that I couldn't find the difference.
  
  The song "Kaytathu kidaithathu kodi Kanakil..." was also copied by Shankar-ganesh duo from a BONEYM song(which I don't remember). But its a famous BoneyM song. Any1 help?
  
  Not related but I think this is right thread. Is Hari Om Hari (Hindi) Copied from One way Ticket or just the pallavi coincedence.
  
  Thanks Srinath I was breaking my head all night :-) . In the interview, IR said he tuned a lot of tunes but Kamal wasn't happy and then IR re-tuned this "Naan paarthathile, aval oruthiyai thaan" and kamal like it.
  
  NaNbaN
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Sun Jul 23 18:33:16 EDT 2000
  
  Vasi,
  even I thought so. Rahman has been inspired by old songs before. so i dont think this should be a surprise.
  
  
• From: S (@ cbin-dns.cisco.com) on: Mon Jul 24 00:37:07 EDT 2000
  
  kallellAm mANicka kal AgumA = sunta hai mErA kudhA
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ ws55.telsoft.net) on: Mon Jul 24 10:35:40 EDT 2000
  
  From SPBs concert:
  
  'enakkindha Mohd rafi pattu romba pidikkum.'
  
  He sings the first 2 lines(unfortunately I don't remember them)
  
  'Raajakitte idhe madhiri song poda solli kettiturndhen..4,5 varusham kazhichu raaja adhe tunele oru song potaan'
  
  He now sings 'iLamaiyenum Poongatru'(which has the same tune as the hindi classic)
  
  
  'oru naaL trainle poittirundhapoo oru pattu manasukkule hum panniterndhen..it is a Mohd rafi solo under Jaidevs music.Andha song inspire pannithaan indha song pannen'
  
  He sings 'vaNNam konda veNNilavae'from sigaram.
  
  'indha pattukku niraiya appreciation vandhudhu..but music poda chance varalai :-)..producers enakku fast music poda varadhunnu ninaikkiraangaLo ennavo :-)
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ 202.9.169.3) on: Mon Jul 24 11:56:10 EDT 2000
  
  Sorry if its posted already,
  "Mustafa Mustafa" has the beats from the ad 'Bacardi Rum' so which came first The ad or the song....plz enlighten me...
  
  

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