Topic started by GV (@ 65.93.1.21) on Sat Jan 26 01:49:39 EST 2002.
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K.J. Yesudas is among 27 eminent Indians selected for the Padma Bhushan award this year. The names of the winners were announced as part of the Republic Day celebrations. This is a very fitting award for one of the greatest singers that India has ever produced. Congratulations, KJY!!
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- From: naina (@ 134.129.119.91)
on: Mon Sep 1 12:45:59 EDT 2003
CRESCENDO MUSIC AND THARANGINI MUSIC PRESENTS
KUDAMULA POO
MUSIC DIRECTOR : M. JAYACHANDRAN
SINGERS : PADMASHREE DR. YESUDAS, K. S. CHITHRA AND VIJEY YESUDAS
LYRICS : GIRISH PUTHENCHARRY
MORE DETAILS AT : http://www.tharangini.com/album/kudamulapoo.htm
E-MAIL : sales@tharangni.com
- From: Erin Swaney (@ )
on: Fri Sep 12 23:00:04 EDT 2003
I am also researching on Indian music. I have listened to most form of the Indian music including the regionl numbers and others. I must conclude that Mohhammed Rafi is the best when it come to singing the most difficult numbers effortlessly and sweetly. KJY and SPB both can do it with more effort and they don't remain that sweet. In addition to that Greg, I have found after going thru all kinds of regional music, you will find tremendous amount of diversity in Bengali music. they are great. Singers called hemant, manna, kishore and Sandhya mukherjee are worth listening. I think thru the compositions of bengali music director like salil, RDB, SDB u can catch up the rythm of whole India.
- From: Erin Swaney (@ )
on: Fri Sep 12 23:01:26 EDT 2003
I am also researching on Indian music. I have listened to most form of the Indian music including the regionl numbers and others. I must conclude that Mohhammed Rafi is the best when it come to singing the most difficult numbers effortlessly and sweetly. KJY and SPB both can do it with more effort and they don't remain that sweet. In addition to that Greg, I have found after going thru all kinds of regional music, you will find tremendous amount of diversity in Bengali music. they are great. Singers called hemant, manna, kishore and Sandhya mukherjee are worth listening. I think thru the compositions of bengali music director like salil, RDB, SDB u can catch up the rythm of whole India.
- From: saji (@ 202.88.238.239)
on: Sun Sep 14 07:47:13 EDT 2003
Listen to yesudas hindi songs. he is the best. when he entered hindi field lata and kishore were trying to stop him. that is why the top class MDs didn't invite yesudas to thei efforts. but for yesudas second grade is enough. YESUDAS IS THE BEST.
- From: JK (@ 61.11.83.161)
on: Sat Sep 20 05:52:31 EDT 2003
Vanna Nilave- is from "Paadatha Theneekkal" starring Sivakumar and Radhika penned by Kalaignar mu. karunanithi. Director: V.M.C Hanifa and MD is Ilaiyaraja
- From: silva (@ 210.187.62.20)
on: Sun Sep 21 01:59:06 EDT 2003
padma shree kjy is born to great singer is given by my lord shiva no one can be like him
- From: Sree (@ 218.79.105.221)
on: Fri Sep 26 02:34:04 EDT 2003
For those of you who belong to the diehard dasettan fan category, there are quite a no of exeptionally good new songs sung by him in malayalam, epecially with all the gossip of his voice aging. i am listing a few below. comments appreciated after listening.
1) innale ente - balettan (film)
2) Aroral - pattalam
3) Kolamayil - kerala house
4) Anuramgamanda - anyar ( a beautiful smeiclassical no in hindustani style)
- From: raj (@ 202.54.137.28)
on: Fri Sep 26 03:54:03 EDT 2003
vanna nilave is by vaali . Story was by Karunanidhi
- From: Krishnakanth (@ )
on: Fri Dec 12 11:54:57 EST 2003
Whether or not he was stopped by Lata or Kishore, Yesudas is simply the BEST!!!! After all, quality never suffers.
- From: sreevalsan (@ )
on: Fri Jan 9 00:54:44 EST 2004
Be a lover of dasettan my family members expessily when we are in tensioned his magical sound will regenerate and give a peaceful results.
I my self had a collection on both classical and filimsongs and heard as a Tonic.myself with my father go to his live concert area in kottayi every year
Regd's
sreevalsan Palakkad
- From: Binoo (@ )
on: Tue Jan 20 14:11:15 EST 2004
A human being can earn everything in this world with money or influence or hardwork execpt the ability to sing. So the skill of singing deserves the BEST amoung all arts.We can't tell how and where it is coming from?
Here the EMPEROR in the EMPIRE of music deserves the BEST of all.
The ability to sing at the age of two ,really a great boon from God to our dasettan..
- From: mukul (@ )
on: Sat Feb 14 03:37:36 EST 2004
any new album from him recently
- From: Ansal N. Abdulsalam (@ )
on: Sun Mar 14 23:14:27 EST 2004
His voice is very touching...when he sings "innale" in balettan...we will feel the sorrow.
- From: George (@ )
on: Sat Mar 27 15:01:07 EST 2004
Sir,
We never thought that a Great Singer can be so mean and cheap that he is putting his hands in the beggers bowl.
How he can ask for a royalty if he remembers his yesterdays.
If he make an open apology it will elite his respect.
Regards,
George
- From: cynic (@ 61.1.222.97)
on: Tue Mar 30 03:34:34 EST 2004
GEORGE,
.
I think the royalty was demanded by KJY's son, VINOD YESUDAS, and not by KJY. KJY is yet to make a statement on this. You see, VINOD was trained (MBA?) in the US, and is probably not able to appreciate the emotional bond that exists between the popular artists/singers and their audience. In the US public performers have to pay royalty, but here the right thing to do would be the opposite, i.e., to pay royalty to the performers because: the old songs still sell because they are kept in the limelight by the people who render these songs again and again in public stages.
.
this is another proof for the uselessness of american education, when the product is transplanted in INDIA.
.
cynic
- From: Mano (@ 24.195.28.155)
on: Wed Mar 31 23:35:50 EST 2004
Cynic is perfectly right. If you educate your children in the U.S., they become so mean and greedy and not even think of anything else but money. I have a couple of friends here in the U.S. who sent their children to school, college to get better education. One of their children recently graduated from college with MBA degree. Once he got out from the college, his first priority was to start calculating the expenses his parents spent for immigrating their siblings from India. His parents have left no choice but to disclose the expenses they incurred during the 80s. The result, he prepared a financial statement and started demanding money from his uncles, aunts etc. His intimidation and insult ended when the whole family broken apart. That's what happened if you educate your children in the U.S. and think that they are smarter than the children in India. Certainly, they will receive the prestigious degree but they don't posses the qualification of understanding others emotional feelings and sufferings. They don't have any remorse or common sense at all. They don't care about the family values and the relationship. This is what exactly happened to Vinod Jesudas. He is going to ruin his father's popularity, dignity and respect. I have been a big fan of Jesudas even before Vinod was born. I have a huge collection of his popular songs, both old and new. Even last month when I was in India, I spent almost Rs. 5000 to purchase his latest albums and other classical songs on CD. I don't think he is going to collect any royalty from any of the local singers. If he do so, I must say, HE IS A GREEDY PERSON.
- From: G.Abraham (@ 82.35.9.153)
on: Thu Apr 1 08:01:47 EST 2004
It is heartening to see that ,it was indeed his son,VINOD , and not Yesudas himself who demanded royalty from public perfomers.So much as one may say this,Indian music law lacks a strong policy regarding royalty to singers.
It is more surprising to see that singers dont get royalty ,when lyricists and music directors do.Also,as far as my understanding goes,Royalty was demanded only for the songs owned by Tharangini(Yesudas's music company which owns the copy right to his some of his songs),and not all songs sung by KJY.
If we set aside the emotional factor,royalty will eventually create a professional setup ,which is lacking in the performance music scene in India.This may well be the start of a new trend,which will undoubtedly benefit lesser known singers and upcoming artistes in the long run.As this will make for a more professional set up in the performance music scene.Low profile singers will get paid more eventually.
Also it will encourage more original talents.SO it is not too bad an idea....Is it??
The thing with Indians is that we take things for granted.There is no deserved credit given for original thinking and production.We get satisfied with copies,may it be from established aartistes,prev generation geniuses ,or hollywood.
For us to stand on our strong foot,we need to get more original,and royalty will encourage more and more original artistes.
The strongest criticism on this aspect about yesudas is that he has not paid royalty to the future generations of Thyagaraja swamikal,Syamasaatrikal and the lot,of whom he has sung a lot of keerthanas in his kucheries.That itself explains the need to bring about a royalty policy,Doesnt it?If there was a system of Royalty,the future generations of those stalwarts of the art,would be living comfortably now.
300 years from now,when Yesudas is still going to be remembered for sure,thanks to the adavancement in technology(and he is a genius who deserves to live in our memories for ever),who knows what the state of his grand children will be.The family of the lyricist who wrote Jingle Bells,in the west will reap the rewards forever.Yesudas has given us so many memorable hits.We must be able to give something back to him.
- From: SUBBU IYER (@ )
on: Sun Apr 18 00:36:44 EDT 2004
It is heartening to note that we are alive to the issue. Since the arguments presented here follow two threads, I shall dovetail my response along those lines:
1. As for Vinod Jesudas being an insensitive, spoilt, brat, I couldn't agree with you more! Indeed, it is ridiculous that one who went to a third rate american university(he went to the Univ of Miami) on the strength of papa's riches and one whose command of malayalam is abysmal(he shares this "distinction" with at least Vijay Jesudas - I don't know about the third son, Vishal) can just sit there and talk about royalty!
I shudder to contemplate some scion of the family of the father of the malayalam language (Ezhuthachan, surely) demanding royalty from every user of the language!! Long live capitalism and its Gatesian version in modern times!!!
2. Mr.Abraham does attempt to build up a cogent argument, but I'm afraid I fail to agree with you, sir, for, I think your reasoning is specious.
(a) It is inconceivable that Vinod could take a position on his own, on an issue of such gravity. Surely we could suspect KJY's connivance in this affair. If, on the other hand, Vinod's is his own voice(pun intended!), then Yesudas' lack of control over the family is a bigger issue than his lack of control over his voice in recent times!
(b) Indeed it is an issue with an emotional facet to it which cannot be discounted. True Indian music, nay, Indian art, is steeped in tradition - sampradayam! Which is why, the GURU(the loose translation to "teacher" is woefully inadequate)and GURUTHWAM are concepts unique to the orient and meaningless to the occidental mindset. What is more, Yesudas is a product of this tradition. As he himself waxes eloquent at the drop of a hat, Yesudas the playback singer wouldn't exist but for persons of the calibre of Devarajan, Dakshinamoorthy, Baburaj and inspiration from singing RAFI hits!! Not to mention the role Chembai played in his life!
So, one fine morning in 2004 our bloke wants poor ganamela organizers to start paying him royalty?!! Gibberish! No, on afterthought, it is cupidity on a scale that cannot be countenanced.
(c) We are entirely missing the point if we say that Tyagaraja's successors should be paid royalty. For, it is precisely this vulgar, shameless commercialization of art that he decried (for example, in the keerthanam "Nidhichala Sukhama?"). Our music, our system, our life, does not work that way, dear sir!
Newton lives-300 years after his time, we still don't pay any royalty to use his equations!
Shakspeare lives- centuries later, we don't pay any royalty to quote him!
Mozart, Beethoven, Bach live - none pays royalty to play their compositions in a concert!!
Yesudas asking for royalty? As my american friends would say - Gimme a BREAK!!
- From: SUBBU IYER (@ )
on: Sun Apr 18 00:36:56 EDT 2004
It is heartening to note that we are alive to the issue. Since the arguments presented here follow two threads, I shall dovetail my response along those lines:
1. As for Vinod Jesudas being an insensitive, spoilt, brat, I couldn't agree with you more! Indeed, it is ridiculous that one who went to a third rate american university(he went to the Univ of Miami) on the strength of papa's riches and one whose command of malayalam is abysmal(he shares this "distinction" with at least Vijay Jesudas - I don't know about the third son, Vishal) can just sit there and talk about royalty!
I shudder to contemplate some scion of the family of the father of the malayalam language (Ezhuthachan, surely) demanding royalty from every user of the language!! Long live capitalism and its Gatesian version in modern times!!!
2. Mr.Abraham does attempt to build up a cogent argument, but I'm afraid I fail to agree with you, sir, for, I think your reasoning is specious.
(a) It is inconceivable that Vinod could take a position on his own, on an issue of such gravity. Surely we could suspect KJY's connivance in this affair. If, on the other hand, Vinod's is his own voice(pun intended!), then Yesudas' lack of control over the family is a bigger issue than his lack of control over his voice in recent times!
(b) Indeed it is an issue with an emotional facet to it which cannot be discounted. True Indian music, nay, Indian art, is steeped in tradition - sampradayam! Which is why, the GURU(the loose translation to "teacher" is woefully inadequate)and GURUTHWAM are concepts unique to the orient and meaningless to the occidental mindset. What is more, Yesudas is a product of this tradition. As he himself waxes eloquent at the drop of a hat, Yesudas the playback singer wouldn't exist but for persons of the calibre of Devarajan, Dakshinamoorthy, Baburaj and inspiration from singing RAFI hits!! Not to mention the role Chembai played in his life!
So, one fine morning in 2004 our bloke wants poor ganamela organizers to start paying him royalty?!! Gibberish! No, on afterthought, it is cupidity on a scale that cannot be countenanced.
(c) We are entirely missing the point if we say that Tyagaraja's successors should be paid royalty. For, it is precisely this vulgar, shameless commercialization of art that he decried (for example, in the keerthanam "Nidhichala Sukhama?"). Our music, our system, our life, does not work that way, dear sir!
Newton lives-300 years after his time, we still don't pay any royalty to use his equations!
Shakspeare lives- centuries later, we don't pay any royalty to quote him!
Mozart, Beethoven, Bach live - none pays royalty to play their compositions in a concert!!
Yesudas asking for royalty? As my american friends would say - Gimme a BREAK!!
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