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Kaviarasu Vairamuthu?

Topic started by Anbu. S (@ proxy.singnet.com.sg) on Fri May 1 07:19:56 EDT 1998.
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After the great Kaviarasu Kannadhasan, Vairamuthu is used to call as Kaviarasu Vairamuthu, is it acceptable by you, can u compare VM with KK...

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• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Sun Jun 6 19:41:16 EDT 1999
  
  typo : the day is far away
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Sun Jun 6 20:34:28 EDT 1999
  
  MS,
  
  that pA is from kuRunthokai of the cangka kaalam. it is a beautiful poem (IMO). again imo, it's a sorry state of affairs that such openness doesn't exist in out society. a good discussion of it can be found in http://forumhub.com/tlit/6571.16935.01.33.23.html . VM could be (and should be) lauded for bringing such old pAkkaL to the public.
  
  DM (dia-muNdu as thinamalar calls him :-) ) has more "potent" (pun intended) things to his credit. in the song naRumugaiyE naRumugaiyE, there is a line that makes me puke every time i listen to that song. the line is "orE muRai thINdal seydhAi uyirk kodi pUththadhenna". this is the height of vulgarity and chauvinism that could be reached only by him.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Sun Jun 6 22:29:47 EDT 1999
  
  Arul:
  
  Thanks for the response. Anaal...., sorry I differ with you in the line you have quoted. For me it was the best ( :-( and :-) ). IMO, it is a subtle expression 9though easily understandable). I admire subtlety and abhor openness when it comes to expression of..-- Hence.. :-)
  
  Regards
  
  MS
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Sun Jun 6 23:53:42 EDT 1999
  
  MS,
  
  i don't want to discuss more about this line. my comment was not about the subtlety (actually the lack of it), but the blatant male chauvinism (and the resultant vulgarity) in that line. chauvinism expressed subtlely or anyother way is to me to be abhorred.
  
  (as a digression a similar thing happens in the beautiful song kARRu veLiyidai kaNNammA. there GR make the female sing line "thuyar pOyina pOyina thunbangaL ninnai ponnenak koNda pozhudhilE" whereas bhArathi sings that song and that line to his kaNNammA. these all "subtlely" show the way we (mis)treat the half of us!)
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Mon Jun 7 09:01:24 EDT 1999
  
  ok..stopping..
  
  
• From: Jana (@ pppa28-columbus8-2r293.saturn.bbn.com) on: Tue Jun 8 18:37:03 EDT 1999
  
  All:
  
  For Godsake let us not compare Vairamuthu with Kannadasan. Vairamuthu can never ever come even close to Kannadasan. Of course, Vairamuthu has given really good lyrics in his early days, even then, it is no good to compare him with Kannadasan. We all have to accept that Vairamuthu is very notorious using or jumbling up his own words giving similar meanings from his earlier lyrics. Sometimes (most of the time), his songs delivers nothing, which is almost like 'paethal', lately I heard 'Oru thuli, sila thuli, pala thuli', for a while I thought, Vairamuthu has gone nuts composing any gibberish things which comes to his mind.
  
  Kannadasan is like ocean and Vairamuthu is like a pond. It would be more ideal to have a comparison between Kannadasan and Vaali, since both had been (so-called) rivalaries those days. (In fact Kannadasan has good regards for Vaali and Vaali had high respect and reverence for Kannadasan).
  
  
  
• From: STS (@ dialup-209.244.104.27.sanjose1.level3.net) on: Tue Jun 8 23:22:02 EDT 1999
  
  Comparing VM with Kannadasan is like comparing ARR with IR. IR & Kannadasam in TFM can never and ever be compared with anyone.
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ stagfw.thehartford.com) on: Mon Sep 27 17:11:57 EDT 1999
  
  when i watched amarkaLam last weekend, i noticed a thing that i was flabbergasted by...
  VM being 'titled' as kavip paerarasu
  
  these titles have become insignificant entities...
  
  
• From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Mon Sep 27 17:26:51 EDT 1999
  
  avar kavip PAE(ghost) arasu thaan:-)
  
  
• From: nakkeeran (@ inet-fw2-o.oracle.com) on: Mon Sep 27 18:37:57 EDT 1999
  
  'list paerarasu' -nnaa konjam oththukkara maadhiri irukku. :-))
  
  
• From: kavi chakkaravarththi esskay (@ azure.nus.edu.sg) on: Mon Sep 27 20:31:56 EDT 1999
  
  rameshb:
  
  It's a sign of aging! By evolution, kavinjar V
  kaviyarasu V aagi ippOdhu kavippErarasu V aaga
  vayadhiruththirukkiRAr. But frankly, I don't
  think the kavinjar would have requested that his
  name be put like that in the movie titles.
  Either the Director or Producer would have done it
  so as to create some amarkkaLam. See, they
  have achieved that by getting us all excited!
  And.. kavinjarai pidikkaadhavargaLellaam indha
  title-ai paarththu veRuppadaivadhaRkkAgavE indha
  padaththai oru muRai nichchayam pArppArgaL. :-))
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Mon Sep 27 20:40:21 EDT 1999
  
  sk,
  
  please don't be this humble. you are perungkavi perunchakravarthi. :-)))
  
  
• From: Kooththan-II (VM Fan) (@ dhcp-css-consult-12.redbrick.com) on: Wed Sep 29 15:20:27 EDT 1999
  
  Than (Raaja)viyarvayai sinthi kavi ezhuthum
  V-muthuvukku congratulations!!! Diamond-U periya AaL thaan. Yenna AruL, Yenna sollureenga ?
  
  
• From: "viswamitra" (@ p20.amax46.dialup.hou1.flash.net) on: Wed Sep 29 21:08:06 EDT 1999
  
  I believe the sentiment was best expressed in "arasu bathilkal" in Ananda Vikatan some time ago when someone asked what the difference was between the Vairamuthu who wrote "idhu oru ponmaalai pozhuthu" and the Vairamuthu of today, the succinct answer was, "sila aayiranggal" - the implication being that what motivated him in the past to produce some excellent poetry was true inspiration which has given way to the need to produce on demand, in volume and for pure commercial considerations.
  
  
• From: Kamesh (@ hlr-42-72.tm.net.my) on: Wed Sep 29 21:16:23 EDT 1999
  
  Viswamitra
  
  arasu badhilgal is in kumudam not vikatan.
  
  
• From: Zulfir (@ ppp50-72.dot.vsnl.net.in) on: Thu Sep 30 03:45:04 EDT 1999
  
  Dear guys,
  the topic is good. but the example from the film "Amarkkalam" is rubbish. the credit for that song neither goes to vairamuthu or to the music director. it is a concept copied from a hindi album of "shankar mahadevan". the tune is a xerox copy and the lyrics almost typical translation. vairamuthu is having talent. but he is not getting chance to show it. he is compelled to "mettukku paattu" concept. if we see in "nizhalgal", "alaigal oivathillai" the lyrics were wonderful. but atlast we should not compare him with "KANNADAASAN".
  
  
• From: Rasigan (@ nat23.aspentec.com) on: Thu Sep 30 13:34:02 EDT 1999
  
  Friends,
  
  Take a look at,
  
  Thanga mazhai peyya vaendum
  Tamizhil kuyil paada vaendum...
  
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Thu Sep 30 16:35:54 EDT 1999
  
  Here are some weird lyrics from VM.
  1. Sangaman
  Kannil Verthaan. - Mudhal Murai...
  Jothi Epadi Jothi ai Erikkum - Marghazhi Thingal..
  Annidha Mothiram (Ring) Vallaiyelagave Thurunbena Ellaithean...Antha Mothiram Odiyanamai Aagumun Anbe Azhaithaen. - Sowkiyamaa
  
  Kadhalar Dhinam
  Kadallukku Fishing Net... Kadhalukku Internet - Kadhalar Dhinam
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Thu Sep 30 16:38:40 EDT 1999
  
  In Sowkiyama -- VM goes with a line
  "Enkatril Swaasam Illai".
  
  Could anyone explain me what he means by that. I have asked many of my friends nobody has an answer for it.
  
  
• From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Thu Sep 30 16:39:52 EDT 1999
  
  fishing nettu internettu is not by VM.
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Thu Sep 30 17:00:23 EDT 1999
  
  bb,
  oh!, I thought all the songs in Kadhalar Dhinam is by VM.
  
  
• From: pat (@ ws16.genie.uottawa.ca) on: Thu Sep 30 17:14:45 EDT 1999
  
  music is music. just enjoy it.
  don't try to critisize.
  VM is great for now.
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Thu Sep 30 17:20:59 EDT 1999
  
  Pat,
  VM is great?????. He is certainly not as great as he projects himself with self acclaimed titles like "kaviarasu", "kavip paerarasu".
  
  I did not complain about music but the lyrics. I hope you get it.
  
  
• From: Diwakar (@ 206.175.177.168) on: Thu Sep 30 20:24:55 EDT 1999
  
  I heard these two lines from two different songs by two different lyricists :
  
  1. Kannukkul Mullai Vaithu yaar theithadhu
  2. Ambu vizhi enru aen sonnan adhu apivadhinaldhano.
  
  Anyone cares to guess who the two are? IMHO the underlying meaning is the same, but look at the choice of metaphors!
  
  
• From: Diwakar (@ 206.175.177.168) on: Thu Sep 30 20:25:14 EDT 1999
  
  I heard these two lines from two different songs by two different lyricists :
  
  1. Kannukkul Mullai Vaithu yaar theithadhu
  2. Ambu vizhi enru aen sonnan adhu paivadhinaldhano.
  
  Anyone cares to guess who the two are? IMHO the underlying meaning is the same, but look at the choice of metaphors!
  
  
• From: sk (@ azure.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Sep 30 21:33:43 EDT 1999
  
  Dorai:
  
  I think VM is using swAsam to mean life.
  So en kAtril swAsam illai.. means 'there
  is no life in my breath', I think. adhu sari,
  moondru muRai andha variyai pAdivittu adhaRkkup
  pin oru vari varudhE adhu enna sollunga. I have
  listened to that song so many times but I have
  not been able to decipher what Nithyashree sings
  in that line. It comes so fast and is totally
  clouded by the music! ARR has made a mess of the
  song at this line.. unless he purposely did it
  to shield some nonsense lyrics!
  
  
• From: NOV (@ bkj-cache81.jaring.my) on: Fri Oct 1 00:51:52 EDT 1999
  
  SK - The line you want is : Athu kidakkattum vidu, unakkena aachu
  
  
• From: sk (@ pb.cache.nlanr.net) on: Fri Oct 1 01:45:33 EDT 1999
  
  NOV:
  
  Thanks. Now that you have said it, I can follow
  the line.
  
  
• From: thathuvavaathi (@ 1cust165.tnt1.hou1.da.uu.net) on: Fri Oct 1 02:48:19 EDT 1999
  
  
  1. 'Kannukkul Mullai Vaithu yaar theithadhu'
  is by kavippErarasu Vairamuthu (Movie: Raaja vErvai, song: andhimazhai pozhigiradhu)
  
  2. 'Ambu vizhi enru aen sonnan adhu apivadhinaldhano'
  is by kaviyarasu kannadhaasan (Movie: nizhal nijamaagiradhu, song: kamban Emaandhaan)
  
  IMO, the meanings of these two song (lines) are different. The first song explains what kind of uncomfortable state the hero is in.
  'dhEgam yaavum theeyin dhaagam
  ...
  kannukkul mullai vaithu yaar thaithadhu
  thanneeril nirkumbodhe verkindradhu' etc...
  
  Whereas, the second song describes the qualities (??!:) of females.
  
  
• From: thathuvavaathi (@ 1cust165.tnt1.hou1.da.uu.net) on: Fri Oct 1 02:49:29 EDT 1999
  
  typo: Raaja Paarvai (and not Raaja vErvai ;-)
  
  

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