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thiraippAdalgaLil samudhAyak karuththukkaL

Topic started by Kanchana (@ ww-tp05.proxy.aol.com) on Sun Apr 19 11:41:09 EDT 1998.
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TFM boasts of several contemporary poets like Bharadhidhasan, Pattukkottai Kalyanasundaram, Kannadhasan and Vali (Version I) who penned several songs dealing with social issues such as work ethic (uzhaippu), labor rights, women's position in society, religion, caste, patriotism/ nationalism, money/power/greed and the such. In addition, non-film kavidhaigaL from Bharadhi and Bharadhidhasan have been included in TFM to heighten social awareness.
Let's go ahead and discuss some of these songs--old and new--which address some key social issues even as they were entertaining the masses in the context of the movie situation. Please elaborate on the lyrics and your thoughts on the same as your time would allow.

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• From: shyam (@ 192.147.35.56) on: Tue Apr 21 13:50:18 EDT 1998
  
  kaNkaL irantirunthum kaaNunthRamai yaRRa paNkaLin kuuttamati kiLyE pEsi payanennati
  
  uppenRum siini enRum uL naattu seelai enRum seppththirivaaratI kiLyee seyva thaRiyaa ratii.
  
  thaayai kollum panjathai thaduka muyarchi yuraar
  vaayai thiranthu summaa kiLiyee vanthE maatharam enbaar
  
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  Kanchana:
  
  Baratha samuthaayam vaazkavE -- it is the title song from Parasakthi not from vaazkkai. Am I right?
  
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  vIra suthathiram vEnti niRaar pinnar veeRonRu koLvaarO?
  AramuthuNNuthaR kaasai koNtaar kaLLil aRvais seluththuvaarO?
  liNNiliravi thanai viRRu vitevaum pooy minmini koLvaarO? (what is meant by liravi?)
  
  kaNNinum iniya suthathithiram poonapin kai kttip pizaippaaroo?
  
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  A song which is suitable for the "KappalEri pooyachi -- Indian" song.
  
  Aaha vendrazunthathu paar yuga puratchi
  kodunkaalan alari vIznthaan -- Ezaavathu manithan.
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Apr 22 00:51:47 EDT 1998
  
  NOV and Kanchana:
  
  All the info I have been giving are taken from
  some books on TFM that I have; only "sketchy"
  details are given there. Full details, matrum
  innum niRaya info vENdumaanaal Manisekaran and
  Akka-vin help-ai naada vENdum. I am very sure that
  there are humpteen number of good songs by
  Udumalai Narayana Kavi and Pattukkottai KS. There
  used to be a saying those days:
  
  comedy paadalgaL endraal Thanjai RamaiahDas
  uvamai siRappu endraal Suradhaa
  janaranjagamaana paadalgaLukku udumalai kavi
  samudhaayap puratchchip paadalgaLukku Pattukottai
  kaadhal endraal Kannadhasan
  
  So, I am sure that if we dig Pattukottai's
  contributions, we will find a lot. Statistics:
  It seems Pattukottai, during his short life span,
  wrote only about 200 songs in about 55 movies!
  
  I can remember one more song by Marudhakasi:
  kadavuL ennum mudhalaaLi kaNdeduththa
  thozhilaaLi vivasaayi (Padam: Vivasayi). Marudhakasi
  kadavuLai En mudhalaaLi endru kuRippittaar
  endru theriyavillai.
  
  One more info: there is a book by Kailasapathy
  titled samoogaviyalum ilakkiyamum>/i> which
  has useful stuff on the topic of our discussion.
  Does anyone have a copy of this book?
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Apr 22 00:53:43 EDT 1998
  
  closing italics
  
  
• From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Wed Apr 22 01:07:20 EDT 1998
  
  Sathiya Keerthi - I think Marudhakasi likens Kadavul to be the mudalaali, and the vivasaayi as His thozhilaali. The meaning is that the farmer is the one who carries out the work of God. Explanation okay-vaa? :-))
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Apr 22 03:18:18 EDT 1998
  
  NOV:
  
  Your explanation is (sort of) ok.. but still..
  I don't like the terming of KadavuL as mudhalaaLi
  for the following reason.. mudhalaaLigaLidam
  thozhilaaLi kaN pidhungi padum avasthai ellOrukkum
  theriyum. appadi irukka, num kavinjar KadavuLaiyum
  mudhalaaLi endru sonnaal thozhilaaLikku KadavuL
  mElEyE oru veRuppu vaRaadhaa?
  
  
• From: Manisekaran (@ bat-48-151.tm.net.my) on: Wed Apr 22 06:33:30 EDT 1998
  
  Udumalai Naarayanakkavi was most popular before the coming of the geethakkuyil Kannadasan and the ppaattukkoru kOttai Kalyana Sundram. U.Na.Kavi was affectionately called "Kaviraayar" in the cine circles. Producers used to wait in Q to get songs from him. C.R Subbaraman was of the opinion that U.Na.Kavi was the only best lyricist, and he even side-stepped Kannadasan. Before Kannadasan could establish his hidden talents already latent in him, CRS suddenly passed away.
  
  Though born in Kovai district he used Udumalaippettai as his initial. He started to write songs for stage dramas, but as the more glamorous and lucrative cine industry picked up momentum, U.Na.Kavi switched to writing songs for films. He was a contemporary of Paabanasam Sivan, and earned equal respect. He excelled in writing songs for the peasants as well as seerthirutha paadalakaL. With the constant association of the PaguthaRivu kumbal, he came to accept their philosophies. He wrote many songs for Anna's films, and Kalaignar also used him. He composed songs for NSK, of course with basic idea emanating from NSK. Remember the most popular "Kinthanaar Sarithiram"?.
  
  As we have to move fast let me just touch 2 of the numerous imnmortal songs that he has left for posterity.
  
  1. A song from Sella Pillai
  
  Naadu Nadakkira Naadayiley
  Namakkey Onnum Puriyiley
  Naagareega Thinusukalaley
  Nallathu Kettathu Theriyiley
  
  LadygaL podum Ravikkai ThuNiyil
  Aadavarin Bush CoatukkaLaam
  Aadavar Mathiri Penkal Meley
  Angi Nijaaru vEttikaLaam!
  Angi Nijaaru vEttikalaam
  
  Kalaiyai Padichavan
  Kaathai PaRakkiraan
  kaakkai PudikkiRavan
  kaaril PaRaakkuRaan
  
  kulamagal raagi Koolai Kudikkiraal
  koorukettu pOnaval
  kummaLam pOduRaal.
  
  Uthavi enRu pala nithikaL thiRattuRaan
  oorai Echipputtu Undu kaLikkiraan
  itham pala pEsi election jeyikkiRaan
  pathavi vanthathum pachonthi aagiRaan
  
  2.from Vivasayee
  
  nalla nalla nilan paarthu
  naamum vithai vithaikkaNum
  naattu makkal manangaLiley
  naaNayathai ValarkkanNum
  paLLi ennum nilangaliley
  kalvithannai vithaikkaNum
  pillaikaLai seerthiruthi
  periyavarkaL aaKkaNum
  
  Kanniyarkkum kaaLayarkkum
  kattuppaattai vithaithu
  karpu nilai thavaraathu
  kaathal payir vaLarthu
  annai thanthai aanavarkku
  tham poruppai vithaithu
  pinney varum santhathiyai
  pENum muRai valarthu
  iruppavarkaL ithayathiley
  iRakkamathai vithaikkaNum
  illathaar vaazhkkayiley
  inbap payir valarkkanum
  
  paar muzhuthum manithakkuLap
  paNbuthanai vithaithu
  paamararkal nenjathiley
  pakuthaRivai valarthu
  pOr muRaiyai koNdavarkku
  nErmuRaiyai vithaithu
  seer vaLara thinamum
  sinEgamathai vaLarthu
  petra thirunaattiniley
  patRuthannai vithaikkaNum
  patruthanai vithaithuvittu-nalla
  otrumaiyai vaLarkkanum.
  
  2. Mathurai Veeran
  
  summa iruntha sOthukku nashtam
  sombalai vaLarthaa Etpadum kastam
  uNmaiyodu uzhaikooNum
  thaney thananna--machan
  onRu sErnthu vaazhoNum
  thaaney thannanna
  
  padicha vElaikku pala pEr nOttam
  baakki
  vElaikku aaL thiNdaattam
  kodutha vElaiyai mudippathu sireshtam
  kudisai thozhilil vENum naattam
  
  appan thozhilai avanathu pillai
  soppanathilumEy ninaippathum illai
  ippadi seivathanaley thollai
  etpattathenRaal kEtpathumillai
  therinja thozhilai seithaaley
  thaana thannanna-machaan
  thazhvumillai athanaaley thaaney thannanna.
  
  vElai vElaiyinnu Olamittazhuthaa
  aaLai thEdi athu veetukku varuthaa?
  moolaiyodu nalla muyarchium iruntthaa vElaikkethu panjam vivaram puritha
  paadu pattaley palanuNdu thaaney thannanna-machaan
  pancjam theerkka vazhiyuNdu thaney thannanna
  
  malaithanil siRiyathum periyathum uNDu
  manitharkaL aRivilum athu pOluNdu
  ulaginil avaravar thiRamayum kaNdu
  thozhilathu purivathu migamiga nanRu
  
  
  
  
• From: Manisekharan (@ wmu-53-95.tm.net.my) on: Wed Apr 22 08:33:22 EDT 1998
  
  Sathya Keerthi:
  
  JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATAION.
  
  In your posting dated 20 April you had mentioned that 90% of the people are not aware that the Thiruvilayaadal song "Paattum Naaney Paavamum Naaney" was composed by Ka. Mu Sheriff, and that it was the Thiruttuvilayaadal of APN. Paattum Naaney Baavamum Naaney is undoubtedly composed by Kannadasan in the "set" (recording studio) in the presence and to the tune of KVM. APN is dead and gone, but KVM and TMS who are directly involved are still alive today to testify to this truth. I believe you must have taken this misleading info from T. Jayakanthan's book "Oru Ilakkiyavaathiyin Kalaiyulaka AnubavangaL". If that is your source then Jayakanthan is misleading the readers. The controversy to this song was already clarified in th bud itself.
  
  But what Jayakanthan had wanted to say( I presume) was that Kannadaasan had copied the song "irukkum Idathai Vittu Illatha Idam thedi Engengo AlaikinRaar gnanathangamey" from Ka.Mu. Sheriff. This was again clarified by Kannadasan. This is a sithar paadal. Both Ka.Mu.Sheriff and Kannadasan had used this sithar paadal seperately in 2 diferent films, sung by 2 different singers.Fortunately the MD for both the songs is KVM.
  
  1. In the Film Panam Panthiyiley Ka.Mu Sheriff wrote this song and was sung by TMS:
  
  Irukkum idathai vittu illatha idathilellaam
  viruppudan Thediduvaar gnanathangamey!-Avar
  Yethum aRiyaradi gnanathangamey!
  
  uNmaiyey pEsiduvaar oru pizhaiyum seithaRiyaar
  oorellaam thootRidumey gnanathangamey-avarai
  othukkiyey vaithidumey gnanathangamey!
  
  
  naakkiniley inippirukkum nenjiley nanjirukkum
  nallavarpOl nadithiduvaar gnanathangamey!-avarai
  naadum nambidumey gnanathangamey!
  
  Othatha noolkaLillai uraikkaatha gnanamillai
  ethu uNmai enraRiyaar gnanathangamey!-ulakil
  ivarkaLum vaazhukindraar gnanathangamey!
  
  panthamethu paasametu bakthi ethu mukthi ethu
  anthamentu aathi ethu gnanathangamey- ithai
  aRinthavar yaarumillai gnanathangamey!-ennai
  arinthavar yaarumillai gnanathangamey.
  
  
  2. In the film Thiruvarut Chelvar, Kannadasan wrote as follows and Seergazhi Govindarajan sang the song:
  
  irukkum idathai vittu illatha idam thedi
  yEngengo alaikinRaar gnanathangamEy!-avar
  yEthumaRiyaradi gnanathangamEy!
  
  unnaiyey ninaithiruppaan uNmayai thaanuraippaan
  oorukku pagaiyaavaaan gnaanathangamEy-avan
  oozhvinal yenna solvEn gnanathangamEy
  
  nanjinai nenjil vaithu naavinil anbu vaithu
  nallavan pol nadippaan gnanathangamEy-avan
  naadakam yenna solvEn gnanathangamEy-gnanathangamEy
  
  thoNdukkendrEy alaivaan kElikku aaLavaan
  kandukoLvaai avanai gnanathangamEy-avan
  kadavuLil paathiyadi gnanathangamEy!gnanathangamEy!
  
  
  There was a time when Ka.Mu. Sheriff and kannadasan could not see eye to eye owing to political differences. Ka.Mu Sheriff and APN belonged to Thamizharasu Kazhagam, while Kannadasan initially belonged to DMK. Ka Mu Sheriff and Maruthakazi were once travelling in a car and Ka Mu Sheriff said Kannadasan should be righftully called "kaLLadasan", all because he kannadasan lifted ideas from sangap paadalkaL. But Maruthakazi came for the defence and said that even if it is so it is only Kannadasan who could have handled the sangap paadalkaL so beautifully in the cine situation. After some moment of deep thouth Ka.Mu Sheriff acknowledged that it is only kannadasan who has enriched cine songs with so much literary taste.
  
  Ka Mu Sheriff patched up with Kannadasan when kannadasan was losing interest in DMK, and when APN started to make use of Kannadasan in Vadivukku Valaikkappau and Navarathiri.
  
  I was fortunate to have entered into a discussion with Ka. Mu. Sheriff in 1984 when he came by when the 2n Tamil Writers Conference was in session in Kuala Lumpur. I quickly got the cine information that I had wanted.
  
  I believe the confusion has now been ironed out.
  
  Regards.
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-tp04.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Apr 22 11:16:19 EDT 1998
  
  Bhaskar:
  I read that non-TFM kavidhai by Vairamuththu. Some good, socially-conscious thinking from him--wish we could see more of this in TFM too!
  
  Shyam:
  Re your question on whether Bharadhi's bhAradha samudhAyam appeared in Parasakthi or Vazhkkai: I thought DKPattammal sang that song in Vaazhkkai. It might have appeared in Parasakthi too. Experts, please clarify.
  
  NOV & Keerthi:
  I think Marudhakasi intended the meaning to be as NOV has suggested: he wants to emphasize the value of agriculture by saying that is God's chosen profession. Keerthi, I understand your discomfort with the word "mudhalALi" because of its negative connotations from the Labor perspective. But, doesn't the word mudhalALi actually mean the person who owns and invests resources or capital (mudhal) and oversees it (ALudhal)? That does seem to fit one traditionally accepted definition of God. neenga enna ninaikkireenga?
  
  Keerthi, I have not read Kailasapathy's book you've mentioned. I'll try to look for it in the Library of Congress here--thank you for the reference.
  
  Manisekaran:
  Thank you for giving some background on Kaviraayar and listing his lyrics to give us the flavor. Even though his Chella Pillai lyrics were written in the 40s(?) they still seem to be true in today's society and, in a larger degree. His Madhurai Veeran song appealed to me very much because of its emphasis on self-reliance and work ethic.
  
  Also, thank you for clarifying that Kannadhasan did write pAttum nAnE. Marudhakasi was so right in saying Kannadhasan enriched TFM by translating sangappAdalgaL beautifully (as we saw in the "ilakkiyam to pAmaran" thread, here in DF.) Also, is "Geedhakkuyil" your own pattam for Kannadhasan?
  Two questions came to mind as I was reading your Kannadhasan--Ka. Mu. Sheriff story:
  1. What was this thamizharasu kazhagam which APN & Sheriff were part of? I'm only familiar with DK and DMK from that period and don't know much about this thamizharasu kazhagam or its purported objectives.
  2. Has Ka. Mu. Sheriff himself contributed to social awareness thru TFM?
  
  

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