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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: Vj (@ 203.197.20.74) on: Tue May 14 11:13:26 EDT 2002
  
  ivanugala ellaaam thiruthavey mudiyadhuppa... inspire aana kooda paravaa illai... copying directly, loops sudradhu, bits of other songs use panradhu... urupta maadhiridhaan..
  
  pudusa varaarey saaru.. uruppadiya edhana paannuvaarnu paatha.... hmmm... yaarangey... poi oru suvar kondu vaa... muttikoLLa vendum...:-(
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 203.200.0.223) on: Tue May 14 12:39:58 EDT 2002
  
  Vj:
  
  arasiyalla (kolywood'la) ithellaam sagajamappa!
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Wed May 15 07:25:03 EDT 2002
  
  Karthik S:
  
  When I was going thru arrahmanonline.com I read some thing interesting but thought provoking stuff. That the Titanic "My heart will go on" has many traces of "Nila kaigiradhu" (slow song..hariharan) and "Minnale" (May Madham) song SPB.
  The fact that both these films came long before Titanic makes me think, is there a real untold story.
  Kindly find out, as you can only so that.
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 202.9.151.201) on: Wed May 15 11:13:37 EDT 2002
  
  Can you tell in which places Titanic resembles those songs?.. lemme give them all an ear again
  
  
• From: S (@ 128.107.253.40) on: Wed May 15 12:08:42 EDT 2002
  
  have any of u listened to the 2 stanza (listen to the violins followed by the whistle) of ninaivo oru paravai...does it ring a bell ??
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Thu May 16 00:27:56 EDT 2002
  
  illayae there was no bell at all only whistle followed by violin as u said :-)
  
  sorry S, i cud not figure out what it is? is the violin piece a copy or inspired item from anywhere?
  
  
• From: S (@ 128.107.253.40) on: Thu May 16 04:35:51 EDT 2002
  
  rather i wud call it an inspiration to another really famous piece...It wasn't only me, a few others too noticed it...The inspiration can't be other way round, for the sigappu R came in 70s and this 'famous' movie came in 97...
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Thu May 16 04:56:58 EDT 2002
  
  S,
  
  really mine was a geniune question. which is this 'famous' movie that came in 97 has its inspiratoin from the violin+whistle piece of s.rojakkaL and what song in it?
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Thu May 16 05:52:41 EDT 2002
  
  S:
  
  Its amazing...there is indeed a small phrase from the Titanic theme song in the 2nd interlude you mentioned! This is incredible...but yes, its way too short to allege any inspiration!
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 203.197.20.214) on: Thu May 16 09:47:30 EDT 2002
  
  a case of IR reproducing himself ...
  
  "Ye saami varudhu saami varudhu vazhiya vidungadaa" (Udanpirappu) is remodified and reproduced as "Thai pongalum vandhadhu paalum pongudhu" (Mahanadhi).... the pallavi tune is the same for both the songs...!!!
  
  and another case of IR/KR 'appreciating' themselves by taking the other's tune...
  
  Devadhai (music IR) - "deepangal pesum"... the tune from the anupallavi "muthu muthu vilakku muthathila irukku" .. is given as ... "Thathi thathi aadum" - Alexander (music KR)..[that Alphonsa dance song] !!!
  
  dunno really who got inspired by whom...!!!
  
  
• From: S (@ 128.107.253.40) on: Thu May 16 12:03:58 EDT 2002
  
  BULLS EYE Karthik !!!! Surprising, isn't it ??
  
  When it was pointed out to Raja, he too was suprised !!
  
  
• From: S (@ 128.107.253.40) on: Thu May 16 12:05:06 EDT 2002
  
  Kupps,
  karthik gave the answer...
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Thu May 16 13:42:59 EDT 2002
  
  S..what a coincidence !! even though it is short it is almost exactly the same for a few notes..Tell us more about rAja's reaction and your encounter with him..
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Thu May 16 18:33:25 EDT 2002
  
  the foll. is sivappu rojakkal link.. can somebody tell the time between which this coincidence occurs..
  
  http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/l/WW000I0L
  
  Thanks-
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Thu May 16 21:30:58 EDT 2002
  
  Just 5 or 6 secs from 3.5 (according to the above clip)
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.1.178.159) on: Fri May 17 00:59:06 EDT 2002
  
  now, we'll go to ARR...
  
  1. The song "Roja Roja" (Kaadhalar dhinam) is a direct lift from a Hindi song.. one of my friends who is a hardcore HFM guy, started singing the original even as this song was played somewhere. since i am out of touch with him, couldnt give u the original right now.
  
  2. This is in HFM but since its ARR involved, i'll take it for granted. "O Bhavrey" (Daud) is also a lift from an old hindi song, the source being the same friend.
  
  3. "Vaarayo thozhi" (Jeans) is pallavi-similar to Asha bhosle's evergreen hit "O mere sona re".
  
  4. This cannot be a lift ... just 'sounding similar' IMO... "Poongatriely" (Uyire) hears similar to old chandrababu classic "Pirakkumbodhum azhugindraai" (Kavalai illaadha manidhan).
  
  5. "Thillana thillana" (Muthu) also comes under 4's category... the 'sounding-similar' song is "Endhan ullam thulli vilayaaduvadhum yeno" (dunno the movie.. shd be an Anjali devi one).
  
  I wd again reiterate that i dont say 4 and 5 are copies... just sounding similar... maybe its just like ARR tried with "Chinnakkannan azhaikkiraan" (Kavikuyil) as "Azhagaana raatchasiye"(Mudhalvan).
  
  Ps : Hey.. did anyone note my previous post..? :(
  
  
• From: S (@ 128.107.253.40) on: Fri May 17 04:44:54 EDT 2002
  
  Kiru,
  It wasn't me...It was pointed out to raja by a friend (i missed a great oppurtunity...just bcos the meeting was on a weekday :-( )
  
  Raja apparently smiled and said sthg....I will contact my friend and put Raja's words verbatim :-)
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Fri May 17 06:02:54 EDT 2002
  
  Vj:
  
  That hindi song which sounds like roja roja is 'yeh laal rang kab mujhe' from Amar Prem. It only sounds like - rather, 'alleged to be inspired'! Same with the second number...heard about that but dont remember. Other instances are too vague to even comment. Even in vaarayo thozhi the similarity is restricted to the first 3/4 words's tune as always in all other such posts on ARR's so-called tune lifts.
  
  Such instacnes one can generate in tamil film music (and hindi) if he's familiar with western music. Say, one of yes'day's RMIM posts says that IR drew inspiration from Jethro Tull's 'Aqualung' for the 'computer music' (which goes..one two three four now ...music and sung in English with some digital sounds). I scrambled to audiogalaxy to download a copy of aqualung and true to the post...you can hear traces of aqualung in IR's version!!!!!! But the inspiration was rather miniscule to point out, so I didnt make noise about it. But going by the 2/3 word sound similarities, I think I can go ahead with this one too! Try aqualung...the very initial sound will remind you of a part of IR's computer music!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 208.61.227.242) on: Fri May 17 11:05:18 EDT 2002
  
  KS, I havent heard "aqualung" in a while but from what I remember I think you are referring to the very first words "sitting on a park bench" and initial guitar prelude bearing the same tune..IN IR's song the tune for the words "feeling very groovy", "really doesnt matter" etc.which gets repeated in the song shows some similiarity to this(in how the notes have been placed).. although the scale is different
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 203.200.0.236) on: Fri May 17 11:47:32 EDT 2002
  
  vijay:
  
  Yes the scale might be different but a common listener will immeditaly make that connection and that was what i was talking about. It'd be silly to conclude instantly that IR lifted it from aqualung...precisely my point to counter these long standing allegations about ARR lifting tunes from older songs....the similarity is ridiculously miniscule, sometimes restricted to 3/4 words but the common listener will of course jump at it!
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Sun May 19 08:32:40 EDT 2002
  
  S karthik
  
  Gavin Greenaway and Danny Elfman - drawing from Ilayaraaja?
  
  I have not seen your inputs?
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Mon May 20 07:11:16 EDT 2002
  
  OISG:
  
  I downloaded tapestry of nations/dreams in the great hope of finding some IR music in it via audiogalaxy....it was a bloodu heavy file!
  
  But I could find nothing like what is mentioned in the thread, much to my dismay!
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Mon May 20 08:43:32 EDT 2002
  
  But the writeup in the thread is so emphatic !
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Mon May 20 13:43:59 EDT 2002
  
  IR is supposedly a Jethro Tull fan..but I have no confirmed reports because I never made an effort to listen to Jethro Tull. Maybe I should. But you know that IR has been listening to early rock and other genre. The usage of the electric guitar vibes, strings etc..well I guess all our composers look toward the west to enrich our Film Music.
  
  
• From: Dj (@ 24.90.198.168) on: Mon May 20 23:03:31 EDT 2002
  
  I thought ARR's 'Roja Roja' recycled Raj Kapoor's 'Rukja O Janewali' in Kanhaiya.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Nane than (@ 203.197.138.199) on: Tue May 21 06:41:30 EDT 2002
  
  KarthickS,
  
  Listened to Dhina's King music..
  In addition to ur mentioned song b4 in this topic,
  I feel following songs are also copied ..but i cant able to remember those real songs..u better know about all the songs..can u tell me from where this songs are copied if interested..
  1.Gongura..Gongura
  2.Lovvale..Lovvale
  3.Kalathai mathikindra
  
  
• From: Dirtyharry (@ 150.131.113.127) on: Wed May 22 12:50:50 EDT 2002
  
  One more fresh one Karthik S !!
  from Thenkasipatinam - music - Suresh peters !
  
  This one is available on raaga.com and please listen to "Azhagana Ilaman Ondru" from abt 1:20
  to 1:45 (not sure but somewhere arnd this time u wont miss it ), the flute interlude is a blatant copy:paste from ARR's theme of Rangeela !!, please somebody kelingaley !!...
  
  
  
• From: Sarat (@ 128.192.5.157) on: Wed May 22 14:37:41 EDT 2002
  
  yep
  its straight out of rangeela
  
  also check this one out
  in Thulluvatho Ilamai
  Kaatrukku Kaatrukku
  
  Couple of lines in the first stanza are directly from Colonial Cousin's 'Adrians Angel'.Even the original was played in the Sarangi.
  
  
• From: !@$ (@ 199.50.29.41) on: Wed May 22 15:49:44 EDT 2002
  
  ARR's theme of Rangeela is itself lifted from Boney M's Rasputin.
  
  

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