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Why ARR's BGM is still bad even after 10 years??!! Why ARR's BGM is still bad even after 10 years??!!

Topic started by Saran (@ 164.164.46.20) on Thu Apr 25 06:53:28 EDT 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Surprising! Even after 10years, ARR still a kid in BGM. Even in his latest KM, BGM lacks a lot. Especially in the scenes where the BGM need to lift the scene. Does his musical talent is LIMITED only to the songs or his CREATIVITY misses something whenever it comes to BGM or does he need MUCH MORE TIME to compose it? Yeah, i agree perceptions differ. Lets see how it goes.....

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From: WN (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Tue May 7 10:44:59 EDT 2002

"Most Sought After
BigWigs goes for ARR for commercial success in music..I never said that ARR is a commercial failure..but that does mean that he is the KING in TFM?"
Yes. Commercial success and quality output. If u think this does not justify ARR's stand as a King, then many of ur fellow IR Fans' arguments about IR's reign as King (in the past) goes running down the waste channel.

"versatility
southern folk?Do u know what is southern folk dear WhyNot?In the same time other MD's including IR did period,comedy etc etc.."
Yes I do. If u dont think ARR has covered Sthn folk, I think u dont have sufficient knowledge of ARR's music. I'm sure, IR has versatility as well, but if u look at the other people listed as possible Kings in Naga's list (YSR, HJ, Barani), u'll know why I stated this.

"Trend Setter
mmm..What do u mean by trend here WhyNot?"
If u need to ask me this question, I am not surprised ur sitting around doubting ARR is the King these days. Trend in terms of superior presentation (tat's wat i meant by he changed the sound of music). This is something every new MD (plus existing MDs) are following.

"Most Anticipated
This point is a subjective one as many of your other points?"
Can u then prove me wrong with objective evidence?

"Technical Wizardry
"cacophony which shows how much more there is to ARR's music than his
equipment, such as his skill and knowledge"
u have safely hidden ARR's skill and knowledge inside Technical Wizardry and not as a seperate point..do u feel he is less talented musically?:-)"
No, I feel I have sufficiently covered his musical talents (and its results) in many of the other points, and did not feel the need to even point this out.

On behalf of Sathya (@ 128.107.253.40) ,
Thanks for posting that long post(s) here.
It was made more than 4 years ago, when ARR had done "25 movies". ie. when he was halfway thro his career as of wat it is today. The whole post seems to have been made to illustrate why IR is superior. Tis in no way relates to our present 'conflict'.

I'm glad this DF has come along way since then and most of us have agreed tat each of us have our opinion on which MD is superior (and have dropped arguments like quantity is an important factor).

Tho Sathya seems to live in denial clutching to the opinion IR is the alltime best, most HCIRFs here have conceded that he is no longer No 1. Tis argument was going around establishing whether ARR was no 1 or there were no longer anyone to be called no1 in TFM. This post has hence nothing of value to our argument here (since it was not about ARR's merits/shortfalls, but about IR).

Coming back to ARR, I have stated my reasons for why I believe ARR is still the King. (not 10 reasons why ARR is superior to IR) And I hope against hope that my post (wit the 10 reasons) did not sound as opinionated, juvenile and infatuated as Sathya's post above. This was in response to Peep's question on what basis I felt ARR is the King still. I take it as a good sign Peeps did not even dispute half those reasons.
From: fedup with things here. (@ 208.51.40.107) on: Tue May 7 11:04:34 EDT 2002

14. PROMOTING THE CINE INDUSTRY AND CONSUMER ELECTRONICS

this is the killer point that makes IR superior than Arr. cha! I wish arr should consider opening arr&co near vivek&co in north usman road t.nagar madras, just for selling his new brand of wetgrinder that has built in rythm box and a lcd screen to creat grinding music loops.
:(
From: Vj (@ 203.197.20.103) on: Tue May 7 11:18:11 EDT 2002

that was an excellent piece of a discussion which validly sums up what the rumbles about "whoz always the best" and many threads like that. i luv the way it was presented without hurting anyone. hats off Mr. Sathya...!!!

some people never learn... nor they are willing to learn. cant help it.
From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.188.249) on: Tue May 7 11:24:02 EDT 2002

Your last line aptly describes you, Vj.

Hope that you will stop going around preaching and instead practice what you preach.
From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.188.249) on: Tue May 7 11:33:37 EDT 2002

fedup with things here (@ 208.51.40.107)

Your wish may just come true.
But it will be IR&co who will be selling their now-useless make of aattukall with tok-tok beats, complete with the noise of the kara-kara voice.
From: sarat (@ 128.192.5.157) on: Tue May 7 11:40:07 EDT 2002

IMHO IR was amazing when he was churning out those masterpieces in the 80's. Ive read some of the older threads in the archives and the all the discussions of the use of counterpoint and vocal harmony and other such Technical stuff....
I found that whenever there was a comparison between IR and ARR wrt musical techniques the IR examples would always be from the 80's and not from the present stuff that he makes. Since Im not very knowledgeable in music I wouldn't be able to recognize the above mentioned techniques in present day songs, but I can pretty much make out that IR doesnt make songs of the same quality that he used to anymore.
The songs may be good when compared to present day composers but that is no comparison.Same with ARR. IMO if ARR farts, it will be a lot better than the music the other guys come out with, but that doesnt mean anything. These guys have got to justify their talents.If they cant do that then they are not Kings.They are more like Bahadur shah zafar II.
If you are performing well below your capacity then you are not an efficient person anymore.

All in my IMHO.
From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.188.249) on: Tue May 7 11:43:39 EDT 2002

Are you sniffing around ARR, sarat?
We DON'T NEED to replace the adulation, for heaven's sake.
From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Tue May 7 13:14:25 EDT 2002

I thoroughly enjoyed this long long discussion.

Till now, I haven't come across any major personal attacks or vulgor words.

Thanks for all who are carrying out some healthy arguments. I have this will continue.

Thank you friends.
From: s0 (@ 128.119.85.50) on: Tue May 7 13:23:50 EDT 2002

" But it will be IR&co who will be selling their now-useless make of aattukall with tok-tok beats, complete with the noise of the kara-kara voice."

that was totally unwarranted. shows your total contempt for IR's music. please make some objective posts like the others instead of throwing muck at the opposite camp.
This discussion has been comparatively decent so far.
From: sarat (@ 128.192.5.157) on: Tue May 7 13:42:13 EDT 2002

ROTFL

now when i read what i had written, it does convey that impression.:-)
What i meant to say was that I found ARRs worsht song to be better than what the other guys come out with.
From: s0 (@ 128.119.85.50) on: Tue May 7 13:46:51 EDT 2002

oops. sorry, my mistake ROTFL. didn't read fed up ...'s post properly.
anyway, we can argue over this to no end. but, why do you have to reply to ARR-bashing with IR-bashing? sort of conveys that you are no better than the ARR-bashers.
From: fedup with things here. (@ 208.51.40.107) on: Tue May 7 14:46:07 EDT 2002

ROTFL and s0:)
if you think I bashed ARR or IR you are mistaken.
i took grinder example to denote "Aracha mavu"

I am surprised that even Mr.Govinda (RollOverthefloor aka ROTFL) did not understand what i meant:):)
From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Wed May 8 00:09:44 EDT 2002

Kupps wants me to knock out Rhythm as a marketing gimmick.

Yes I want u to knock out Rhythm as marketing gimmick. Not for the music(tune i.e. ARR part) is concerned but for the Diamondu's effort is concerned.

Assume that the same diamondu has written the lyrics without this gimmick of naming panchaboodham, maathruboodham etc. The tune was going to be the same. Who knows the same diamondu wud have written the same lines kaatrae aen vaasal vandhaai. But this time it wud have no tag as kaatru song. My point all along was ARR wud have accepted this project as a case of your point no. 4 i.e. a music request for a film that has good story/plot or whatever it is. Period.

Hence i said that was a gimmick. Didn't i say that list rhythm under 4?

Hope atleast this time im clear :-)
From: Vj (@ 203.197.21.81) on: Wed May 8 01:27:09 EDT 2002

ROTFL... did i make any comments on anyone in specific? ur comments

"Your last line aptly describes you, Vj.

Hope that you will stop going around preaching and instead practice what you preach."

are totally unwarranted.

let me not stoop to ur level and i wont make any posts further in this thread.
From: peeps (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Wed May 8 01:40:28 EDT 2002

"many of ur fellow IR Fans' arguments about IR's reign as King (in the past) goes running down the waste channel. "

IR was appraoched by everyone in his time and not only by BigWigs..and he gave hit songs to everyone left,right,centre,up and down..:-)
ARR choses BigWigs becoz he feels the reach for his songs will be more..Can u name a few low budget ARR movies which had good cassette sales?But thats not the case with other MD's..

"Yes I do. If u dont think ARR has covered Sthn folk, I think u dont have sufficient knowledge of ARR's music. I'm sure, IR has versatility as well, but if u look at the other people listed as possible Kings in Naga's list (YSR, HJ, Barani), u'll know why I stated this. "

Sufficient knowledge of ARR's music?What do u mean?
Southern folk IMVHO is not only lyrics from Dia'mandu'..but apt music..
Do u think any villager will agree that "veechi elumichi" from TajMahal is a folk song?Using folk language doesnt mean Southern folk songs..Instrument selection also matters..

"changed the sound of music"
If u mean changing the sound of music or making the sounds clearly audible is setting trend then i am not arguing Sir...:-)

"Most Anticipated
This point is a subjective one as many of your other points?"
Can u then prove me wrong with objective evidence? "

See what i mean to say is anticipation of a particular MD's album is very very subjective...If u wait for a ARR's album then i wait for IR's album..thats the diff..that can never be taken for the KING matter..
And u have said Most anticipated..Here 'Most' means the number of people?

"It was made more than 4 years ago, when ARR had done "25 movies". ie. when he was halfway thro his career as of wat it is today."

WhyNot, Can u please tell us in what way has ARR improved in this last five years when compared to his first five?curious to know really..

"it as a good sign Peeps did not even dispute half those reasons."

I said already that other points which i didnt argue are also very subjecitve points..:-)
From: me again (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Wed May 8 01:41:23 EDT 2002

sorry for the BOLD post..:-)

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