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Bass scores of Raja...

Topic started by Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on Sun Apr 25 09:07:54 EDT 1999.
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Let's discuss the brilliant bass scores of raja..

the first song that comes to mind is
ponvAnam panneer thoovudhu innEram from inru nee nALai nAn

2.en gAnam inru arangERum -EVK

Srinath ,take over :-))))

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• From: Srinath (@ ss05.ny.us.ibm.com) on: Fri May 7 11:55:27 EDT 1999
  
  Coupla' more songs - "Then Madurai Vaigai Nadhi" and "Nooru Varusham indha maapilaiyum."
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon May 10 10:10:10 EDT 1999
  
  srinath,
  How about "poondhaLir Ada" from panneer pushpangaL ???
  
  thro'out the song a bass guitar keeps going giving great depth to the song.
  
  
  
• From: Sree (@ orchid.cs.concordia.ca) on: Mon May 10 11:50:18 EDT 1999
  
  Srinath,
  How about "Unnai naan ariven" (S.Janaki version) song form Gunaa?. I guess there is a bass intrument in that song. Pl clarify.
  
  Sree
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss07.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Mon May 10 12:27:14 EDT 1999
  
  Sree;
  Great choice ! Yes, it has a beautiful bass score ! Especially with the fist humming ! Superb !
  
  Shankar:
  I've not listened closely to that song - I'll let you know once I hear it tonight !
  
  
• From: Sree (@ orchid.cs.concordia.ca) on: Mon May 10 13:31:32 EDT 1999
  
  Srinath,
  Is it Bass guitar, or some bass intrument in that song, if so which instrument. Any ideas?
  
  Sree
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss07.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Mon May 10 14:06:44 EDT 1999
  
  Sree, it is a bass guitar indeed !
  
  
• From: Anand Mahadevan (@ freedum.proxy.lucent.com) on: Mon May 10 15:15:58 EDT 1999
  
  Just happened to notice good bass runs on
  "Aalla Aasathum Maalliye" from Kanniraasi.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Mon May 10 15:40:32 EDT 1999
  
  Another songs whee Bass guitar takes a"lead" role - "hey unnai thaaney". The interludes and prelude are too good.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Mon May 10 15:41:21 EDT 1999
  
  Sri:
  Did you listen to "minnaram maanathu" from GURU ?
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss07.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Mon May 10 16:28:42 EDT 1999
  
  Not yet MS. I'll try to listen to it today - have you got it in your site ?
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Mon May 10 23:42:07 EDT 1999
  
  Sorry Sri for the delay in reply.Yes I do have it.
  
  
• From: Raja Fan (@ spider-th041.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue May 11 01:32:46 EDT 1999
  
  Alla Asathum Kanniye is the damn song I am searching for ages. Srinath thanks for the info Anyone can capture this mind boggling composition for the fans here?
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue May 11 14:11:46 EDT 1999
  
  Srinath,
  I noticed a pet peeve of yours in one of IR's tunes. "Devathaiyilam Devi Unnaich Chutrum Aavi" from "1000 Nilavae Vaa" had very overt, blaring Bass in it. "Andharangam" from the same movie has good Bass though. Another good IR song for Bass is "Kavidhai Paadu Kuyilae Ini Vasandhamae"
  
  One irrelevant note about the latter tune and other tunes such as "Aalai Asaththum Malliyae" had the gargling keenk keenk Synth noise which I disliked in many of IR's mid-80s tunes. I much rather liked the elaborate guitar/flute/veenai interludes he did previous to this period.
  
  
• From: nakkeeran (@ inet-fw1-o.oracle.com) on: Tue May 11 14:37:59 EDT 1999
  
  Can the interludes of 'vikram... vikram...' from Vikram considered to be good bass scores?
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss06.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Tue May 11 14:43:35 EDT 1999
  
  Udhaya:
  A better example would be, as I mentioned earlier, "Vaan Megham". The bass in "Devathai Ilam Devi", IMO, is pretty good. It does sound harsh, but the composition by itself is very good and is in full compliance with WCM's ISO standards ;-). Why I dare say this is that, the bass has to be an integral part of the orchestration and play a supplemental role to the chord pattern around which the song is built - which it is in the song that you mentioned - but I agree with you to the extent that the bass sounds too harsh - harsh enough to dominate the song unnecessarily.
  
  My major peeve is with any bass score that does nothing to supplement a song and pops in and out of the main tune (where it does not belong). If you check out the chords for "Devadha Ilam Devi", I'm sure you'll find that the bass guitar hits the perfect note for every chord change, inspite of the fact that the bass sounds as like a bull, let loose in a china shop ! It should have been more subdued, though.
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ ww2.ssbcd.co.om) on: Wed May 12 05:03:05 EDT 1999
  
  How about this song?
  oru mAlaichandiran - from Unnai VAzhthi PAdugirEn. The bass and beats are fantastic. I forgot the singer name? Can anybody tell me?
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ ) on: Wed May 19 16:14:04 EDT 1999
  
  I just discovered an amazing lead and bass guitar song by IR. If SPB could've tamed his English a bit (just a bit because his voice reverberates like an Opera singer's when SPB sings English), and if this song could be extended and remixed, it could vie for the pop and rock'n'roll charts.
  
  Oh, I forgot to mention it, the song is "Angel" from Kavarimaan. I'm listening to this amazing CD combo I got from Singapore, "Pattaakaththi Bairavan, Kavarimaan, Naan Vaazhavaippaen, Nallathoru Kudumbam" (issued by Lakshmi Audio, LA: 3032. This is a must own for every TFM fan). Almost everyone of these movies have songs with great lead and bass guitars. God I miss this soooo much in modern IR songs.
  
  
• From: G.Suresh (@ begis50.swift.com) on: Wed May 19 17:23:19 EDT 1999
  
  Venkatesh,
  
  The singer is minmini of chinna chinna Aasai
  
  
  
• From: Sree (@ orchid.cs.concordia.ca) on: Sun May 23 19:47:11 EDT 1999
  
  Srinath:
  Have you heard "Ilaya Nilavae" song from Ponnu Veetukaran?, it has good bass score.
  
  Sree
  
  
• From: sree (@ cicada.cs.concordia.ca) on: Wed May 26 01:46:28 EDT 1999
  
  Srinath / TFM DF'ers :
  This threadbadly needs revival :-((((
  
  Sree
  
  
• From: sree (@ cicada.cs.concordia.ca) on: Wed May 26 01:46:40 EDT 1999
  
  Srinath / TFM DF'ers :
  This thread badly needs revival :-((((
  
  Sree
  
  
• From: Recuperating in Sunny Madras :-) (@ m32.pppmad.vsnl.net.in) on: Thu May 27 06:06:57 EDT 1999
  
  Sree:
  Unfortunately, Srinath himself badly needs a revival ;-) Will be back after a month !
  
  
• From: SitaRam (@ portal.ameritech.com) on: Thu May 27 10:06:29 EDT 1999
  
  Tanny Srinath, please track the latest at the studios while you are there in Chennai
  
  
• From: sree (@ tarka.cs.concordia.ca) on: Mon May 31 15:52:08 EDT 1999
  
  Srinath:
  Have a nice vacation.
  
  Sree
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Mon Jun 7 09:10:04 EDT 1999
  
  Sri: What about Ilam Pani thuli vidum neram?
  (had to write something to save this thread from the archives;-)))
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Jun 7 11:48:43 EDT 1999
  
  raj,
  wonderful number!!!!The prelude......AhA......
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Mon Jun 7 12:13:28 EDT 1999
  
  S: yeah!!! The prelude was what attracted me to the song!! Well, what about this song viz-a-viz Bass Guitar?That kind of analysis is what I wanted;-))
  
  
• From: Raj's best buddy in TFM page (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Tue Jun 8 01:40:03 EDT 1999
  
  Raj:
  
  I think Shankar is also trying to keep this thread alive :-)
  
  
• From: S (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Tue Jun 8 02:12:46 EDT 1999
  
  Raj's best buddy in TFM page,
  
  Of course i am.I'm the creator after all ;-)
  
  Raj,
  
  ippO konjam "pisi".night ezhudharEn pAtla endha edamellAm pidichirundhadhu nnu.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ m51.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Wed Jun 9 14:46:47 EDT 1999
  
  Raj:
  I think I've already mentioned that song in an earlier post! Strange, but I seem to have been listening to more songs in the U.S than in India ! I can hardly stay connected on-line for a few minutes and the conn. is pretty bad (still, much better than what we had a couple of years back !). So you guys please keep contributing to this till I can come up with something.
  
  
• From: S (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Jun 10 13:17:45 EDT 1999
  
  did anybody mention mEgam kottattum???
  bass guitar accompanies SPB thro'out the song.
  
  I'm sure srinath wud be delighted to play the song.am i right srinath???
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Thu Jun 10 13:20:19 EDT 1999
  
  IMO, one of the best bass guitar works of bass guitar is "minnaaram maanaththu". The notes of bass guitar in that song can form a separate tune themselves.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Thu Jun 10 13:22:17 EDT 1999
  
  worst error one can possibly make :-(
  
  best bass guitar works of bass guitar
  
  read it:
  
  best bass guitar works of IR
  
  (karmamda saami)
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ m50.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Thu Jun 10 16:01:15 EDT 1999
  
  Shankar:
  I have played "Megham Kottatum" :) and enjoyed playing it a lot too ! I keep hearing so many songs of IR which have excellent bass scores. Since this thread seems to lack even the bare technical requirements of a lesser appreciated, but widely used instrument, I'll try to fill in some stuff.
  
  Dan Morgan, the author of 'Guitar', has this to say about the bass guitar -
  
  "...a four-stringed instrument, pitched an octave lower than the standard guitar...strings are tuned to the same intervals of the bottom four strings of the guitar - that is, E, A, D, G....normally plays a single note bass part...supplying the fundamental harmonic and rythmic basis to the group...reduced to its absolute minimum it is possible to produce a correct sounding (if unambitious) bass part, purely on the basis of finding the 'name' note of the chord, then following it with the note on the same fret of the string below."
  
  Unfortunately, you need to have a basic knowledge of chords to fully understand this. I'll try my best to simplify it, though. A chord usually has 3 or more notes played simultaneously. For example, the C Major chord has G, C, and E. The rythm guitar plays all three notes simultaneously in one stroke, whereas the bass guitar plays only one of these three notes for each stroke. For variety, two of the notes or even all three can be played, but not simultaneously. For example, if the chord is played 4 times, (all three notes played simultaneously for 4 times), then the C note and the G note can be played alternatively on the bass guitar for each stroke of the rythm guitar.
  
  1st Chord stroke: GCE
  Bass: C
  
  2nd Chord stroke: GCE
  Bass: G
  
  3rd Chord stroke: GCE
  Bass: C
  
  4th Chord stroke: GCE
  Bass: G
  
  What I mean by stroke here is, playing three notes on the rythm guitar with one stroke of the hand. What Dan Morgan means by the 'name' note is nothing but the 'C' note. Since the above example plays the 'C Major' chord, the 'name' note would be 'C'. 'The note on the same fret of the string below' refers to the G note in this example.
  
  Therefore, the basics of the bass guitar lie in the way the chord progressions are constructed. The more imaginative the progression, the more interesting will be the bass score. That is why I dislike songs which do not follow this simple rule. A bass guitar used like a lead instrument does not help the song in anyway simply because that is not the purpose of a bass guitar. It is like using a pair of garden shears for neuro-surgery :)
  
  
• From: sree (@ tarka.cs.concordia.ca) on: Thu Jun 10 22:04:28 EDT 1999
  
  Srinath:
  Thanks for explaining things, now it is more clear. Expecting more from TFM DF'ers who are knowledgable.
  
  
  

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