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What's wrong with ARR haters?

Topic started by WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.131) on Sun Nov 25 09:01:01 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I think all ARR fans who have particiapted or simply observed newtfmpage forums will agree that there is something vicious in the way his haters attack him. They start threads like "ARR is becoming unpopular" or "arr is mad", a thread that was fortunately deleted. And they also make really stupid postings against him. Some of these haters carry the "IR fan" logo, but let's keep in mind during this discussion that not all of these ARR haters are IR fans.

The thing is, if someone simply dislikes ARR's songs, u'd just leave it aside and not worry about it. I mean, if ARR fans find that Bharadwaj's songs are nice u'd listen to them. If you found Bharadwaj's songs unappealing, u'd leave them aside instead of starting threads and making postings on how Bharadwaj sucks, how he is mad, he's becoming unpopular, how his songs are falling behind in the top ten listings, share links on poor reviews on his work, etc.

But ARR haters do this and more. If they simply state "I don't like PP songs" and provide their reasons why, that's ok and I wouldn't classify them as ARR haters. But when they make comments like "RAHMAN IS A DISGRACE TO INDIAN MUSIC COS HE COPIES FROM ARABIC MUSIC
AND HE SUPPORTS THE TERRORISTS OF PAKISTAN FROM HIS EARNINGS
SO HES A BAD MUSIC DIRECTOR AND A BAD MAN" by DINESH (@ 213.121.248.90) from the thread, "Brand New Topic - ARR Vs IR!!", you know there's something more than just a dislike of ARR's music.

So let me outline the purpose of this thread:
1) To discuss what lies in the root of such hatred.
2) To share some of the worst postings made by ARR haters in this forum, attacking ARR and his fans personally. (like the one above)
3) To discuss the different ways in which ARR haters attack him.

and finally, as a bonus to this topic, we'll most likely find several ARR haters visiting this thread to make more aggravating comments not only about ARR, but also about ARR fans, me for starting this thread, and the singers who sing in ARR songs. Let's talk about it too.

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• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Tue Nov 27 12:13:46 EST 2001
  
  WhyNot,
  
  There are loyal people in this forum who come here to talk something good, and check out the lastest in TFM. They form the core. Be it anyones fan.
  
  YOu comparing these, to those who come here gossip and talk some BS, aggrevate people here and go.
  
  I am a IR fan, to the max. But, I dont respond to silly posters who come to BS on IR here. I dont even care to respond. thier views dosent even matter. I respond only if some decent poster gives some decent comment. Say, Trend or comman friend.
  
  If you think Hate is only prevelent in IR circles.
  See posting about Haris jayeraj and others by ARR fans in differnt forum.
  
  I have posted differnt posts about ARR, before any ARR fans here. I never post any anti-ARR posting ARR oriented threads. If anyone does so, I ask them to stop it. BUt I never saw any appreciation for it. BUt you guys make big buzz about only people posting filth!.
  
  
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on: Tue Nov 27 13:05:09 EST 2001
  
  kk:
  I agree with you to some extend. But, don't we see lot of anti-arr threads, with what ever nonsense it be. Like,"ARR is worst", "ARR copy cat" and what not. Now, many don't make this cry when Deva/SAR/HJ/KR/YSR and others happen to have copied or alledged so. When a bad news about ARR comes in mag. or website, we see its link in almost every single thread (even irrelevent one). Why am I thinking that these are done by HC IR fans? Because, when you take the recent instance, I found a news about some IR's music release, in every thread I visited. This happens also with IR family members (KR/YSR). I never minded. But, it just frustrates me , when I see an updated date in the thread topic and later to find that all that was this crap.
  I agree, that there are people like this in ARR side too. But, what's counts is numbers. The majority seems to be from IR side. Honestly. I don't think that they are genuine fans. People like yourself, Kiru, Kupps, Trend, cosmician and few other (sorry to have missed some here) seem to genuine fans and intelligent one. On the whole, people with good intellect are less in number here.
  AIMHO...
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.238) on: Tue Nov 27 13:05:44 EST 2001
  
  kk,
  
  Looks like you misunderstood me.:-)
  Anyway thanks.:)
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Tue Nov 27 13:26:13 EST 2001
  
  "Honestly. I don't think that they are genuine fans. People like yourself, Kiru, Kupps, Trend, cosmician and few other (sorry to have missed some here) seem to genuine fans and intelligent one."
  
  Trend...Congrats!
  
  Definition of "fan" and fanatics at stake! For me, CF, even you seem to be a loyal, intelligent and genuine...JAM...."People like somebody who do not question or oppose them"..Don't segment your mind by putting likings and dislikings together..At fist place that shows your biasness..Be unbiased!!
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.133) on: Tue Nov 27 14:15:46 EST 2001
  
  vel, I think I have enuf stuff to do wit my very very overworked life to take a few breaks to relax myself, without taking too much time from my work. My family is very much dependent on me, so don't come along and make your damn stupid statements to me if u don't have a clue!
  What I agreed with no jalra was what he said regarding the way ir fam supporters dismiss arr albums while the same guys r seen in all ir/ysr/kr threads making a big deal abt every small thing they do. His 'fart' statement, though crude, was figurative.
  And we were not talking about ARR or IR here in this thread, but the useless people who condemn ARR, some whom also call themselves IR fans. If you are so above us, maybe u shouldn't respond to our postings.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.133) on: Tue Nov 27 14:26:11 EST 2001
  
  kk, sorry to make the generalisation of IR fans. I did set out not to make the generalisation initially but walked into it myself. It's true that a few rotten apples spoil the lot. Not all IR fans are ARR haters, I agree. No offence.
  But there's no harm in analysing what lies at the root of such BS, as u call it. Understanding may also enable DFers to avoid walking into confrontations wit such characters, knowing how they tick.
  Common Friend, good observation. Can't agree more.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Tue Nov 27 15:18:19 EST 2001
  
  What I see these days is a few, repeatedly, the so called loyal ARR fans start some utter waste topics such as this one and just keep grinding the same, 10 year old, utter nonsense stuffs and use this topic to blame IR fans. I do see, the same 2-3 guys, who poke their nose only in these kind of topics, have rose again, vigorously. What stirs their mind is the non-withstandability/acceptability of people praising IR, YSR and others. This topic as such is a bigger BS than any other BS we have ever discussed...Coz..here, this thread, in the name of analysis, used to pass a lot of low level, unwanted, un-invited word attacks on the "so called IR fans", of which, not even a cent is benifitted for any body..Nalla koothadinga!!
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.137) on: Tue Nov 27 15:37:23 EST 2001
  
  I stated beforehand that this topic is meant to discuss ARR haters who are not neccessarily IR fans. Yet the same 1 or 2 people poke their nose in every ARR related thread to pass alot of low level unwanted word attacks on ARR fans.
  
  >>What stirs their mind is the non-withstandability/acceptability of people praising IR, YSR and others<<
  Fliflo: This topic is not abt the people who praise IR, but about the people who condemn ARR.
  Read the topic before posting!
  
  But remember what I said earlier abt ARR haters visiting this thread to make aggravating remarks abt ARR fans and me, for starting this thread? I consider Fliflo's posting as a bonus to the topic in discussion.
  He/She obviously doesn't like the fact that ARR haters or those who have made offensive statements against ARR are under scrutiny. That's my theory.
  
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Tue Nov 27 16:00:09 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo: This topic is not abt the people who praise IR, but about the people who condemn ARR.
  
  "...., but the useless people who condemn ARR, some whom also call themselves IR fans."
  
  The sarcasm of fanatism is sticking out there.
  
  "..useless people condemn ARR.." So what? If they do not get along with what ARR is giving, then I don't find any fault with them for criticizing his music...vice-versa too is happening...I do not see any no-logic stuff there. By criticising, do they become useless or what? ..Beware, many uselesses are around here..
  
  
• From: CHANDRU (@ 24.114.4.0) on: Tue Nov 27 17:09:48 EST 2001
  
  ppl who love music they won't like arr's only illayaraja RAJA RAJA THANNNN
  
  
• From: fuggadaboudit (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Tue Nov 27 20:47:48 EST 2001
  
  WhyNot :
  
  I see a couple of reasons for this attitude.
  
  1. If the target of the attack is ARR, it is because of the simple reason that he is the one who replaced IR at the top of TFM. So the focus is on him and not on someone like, say, Bharadwaj who was never ( and perhaps will never be ) a serious contender for that spot.
  
  2. ARR fans, and I am not kidding here, have also been guilty of putting down IR whilst praising ARR. And there is the impetus required to set this juggernaut rolling.
  
  This is my take on the situation.
  
  However, the criticism of ARR, the man, as against ARR the musician is condemnable. But then again, ARR fans have done similar stuff by labelling IR as arrogant, egoistic et al. So it is not just one side that is the cause.
  
  It is in the interests of TFM and its fans to forget this petty stuff and listen to good music.
  
  Well, pip-pip.
  
  
• From: trey (@ 210.186.136.180) on: Tue Nov 27 21:15:58 EST 2001
  
  arrahman rulez ~! his music rulez!
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.137) on: Tue Nov 27 23:12:48 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo, again I have to tell u to read the topic! I have stated in the opening topic lines that this is not abt people who condemn ARR's music, but those who make personal attacks against him and his fans, and I have given a posting that illustrates such an example. My advise to u: read the topic before u post, or don't post at all!
  
  fuggadaboudit, u are right. It must be ARR's top-notch position tat makes him a target.
  I'm sure there must have been ARR fans who have attacked IR personally. However the time I've been here (tfm forum) the other way round (ARR haters) are more predominant in my eyes.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.162.135) on: Tue Nov 27 23:27:24 EST 2001
  
  All the polls so far conducted by many top rated magazines just proved the same point repeatedly. And that is people (I restrict only to tamils) whole heartedly love IR's music compared to any other MDs. Nobody would have forgotten hundreds of opinions published in Kumudam just a year ago. The obvious conclusion there too more than 70% public easily prefers IR over ARR..If you guys want I can go ahead and give supportive proofs for my statements..So the statement of fuggadaboudit on replacing IR by ARR in people's mind is not true. There is(was) only one majestic seat in IR music lover's mind. That seat is irreplaceable forever. The simple reason I do not like Rahman's music is I do not retrieve the same kind of satisfaction to my mind and heart in his music. The beats, certainly make you to dance but it just stops there. This is probably the same with many many in Tamilnadu...So if somebody hates ARR's music don't feel hurt....and equally you show the other side of the mirror. So if you feel disappointed by the attitude of many here then we can only feel sorry....The small numbered group as claimed by somebody is going to create and argue to find out a reason for this attitude till they understand the trivial baseline....
  
  

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