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Mano and ARR

Topic started by Srikanth (@ inet21.us.oracle.com) on Thu Aug 6 14:27:17 EDT 1998.
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ARR seems not using Mano these days. Only in Thiruda Thiruda and Kaadhalan, Mano had good (I mean full length) songs. In Merupu Kalalu (Minsara Kanavu in Tamil), he sang Strawberry kanne song. I feel Mano sang those songs well. ARR should be using him more -- atleast I feel, Mano can sing those songs that ARR is singing better than ARR. I am seeing a trend that ARR is taking one song in each of his movies...

Awaiting comments...

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• From: Viswa (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Aug 10 03:54:26 EDT 1998
  
  Vijay,
  Interestingly, in the song that you have mentioned above - ninaivAlE silai seidhu ,
  KJY pronounces sendoora bandham as sendoora bendham :))
  
  The most recent song of MSV that I've listened to is from "iru kanal kAtrE" from Yatra Mozhi (Mal.), and I was'nt very impressed. MSV's voice, in fact, would suit songs like solla thAn ninaikkiRen, or a kudumbam oru kadhambam , which comes in the background amidst pathos in the scene.
  
  But then, by discussing all this, are'nt we missing Mano somewhere ?
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Aug 10 04:17:24 EDT 1998
  
  Viswa,
  The word bandham has the same meaning in mallu also!!There they pronounce it as bendham.
  That's probably the reason for his mis-pronunciation (i'm not justifying that!!)
  In fact IR's voice was better than MSV's in "yeri kanal kAtrril" but MSV excels when it comes to pronunciation (nothing great about it.He's a mallu) ;-))
  
  
• From: dhan (@ dajal.legato.com) on: Mon Aug 10 11:01:29 EDT 1998
  
  paavam KJY, "ninaivAle silai seidhu.." enra oru paatta mis-pronounce seidhu allolapattu kondirukiraar. As far as I know, he's one of the terrific singers around. DFers, can you provide any other obvious mis-ucharippu of KJY from some other songs apart from andamaan kaadhali....curious!
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Mon Aug 10 11:33:42 EDT 1998
  
  KJY's la & La ucharippu is horrible in almost 99% of his songs. Even his na & Na ucharippu is suspect.
  
  
• From: Mano (@ marconi.uwaterloo.ca) on: Mon Aug 10 12:57:14 EDT 1998
  
  KJJ has problem pronouncing 'LA'. For example He sings pillai thamiz, which is absolutely wrong.
  
  Cheers
  Mano
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon Aug 10 13:14:45 EDT 1998
  
  Vijay and other fans of IR's singing, my point about MSV's humility is that he sang songs that suited his unique voice. Mostly they were philosophical, omnition(asariri), or title songs. He did not sing mumbling, flat songs like "Iniya Malargal" from Poonthottam or inappropriate love songs like "Kaadhal Oviyam Paadum Kaaviyam". Than Nilai Aridhal is very important for an artist. ARR, MSV, or Deva haven't taken on beautiful melodies and butchered them like IR has done many times. Coming back to Mano. Do we have to? Mano is so dull. At least IR has uniqueness which suits a few songs,"Solam Vedhaikkayilae" belongs to IR no on else should or need to sing it. Mano, hmm, there is not a single song in his list that demands his voice.
  
  
• From: dhan (@ dajal.legato.com) on: Mon Aug 10 19:15:49 EDT 1998
  
  mano,
  
  I agree with you, but have you listened to "onre kulam enru paaduvom..oruvanae dhavan enru potruvom" from pallAndu vAzhgha, paadal muzhukka ore 'LA' mayam...an ultimate test! I don't know abt other songs but he's done a decent job in this song.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-198.il.us.ibm.net) on: Mon Aug 10 19:36:11 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  Raja misused his status very many times.
  I am repeating this everytime.
  
  Vijay: MSV is around 70 years old , you cannot blame him , he rendered it as a houorary song.
  Hear samboo - the hi pitch he goes - no way raja will be able to achive it.
  
  for hi-pitch singing is Sergazi, TMS, Kamal , MSV.
  There is a singer called Saibaba - long time ago msv's asst and Raja's asst. He can sing some hi-pitch stuff.
  
  Raja voice is not for singing.
  MSV has never sang our of this scope.
  Raja demands a song just for being the composer, that was too bad.
  
  Thanks god amma endru in Kalyani was let alone.
  Srikanth
  
  
  
• From: e (@ ) on: Sat Aug 21 01:22:09 EDT 1999
  
  revive
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Sat Aug 21 03:08:18 EDT 1999
  
  Udhaya:
  
  Mano cannot be written off so harshly. "adho megha oorvalam" is a fantastic song.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.146) on: Sat Aug 21 05:10:09 EDT 1999
  
  All said and done about IR's voice (the dropping of `sruthi' etc.), IMO, it's one of the few voices that can bring out emotions extremely well! The simplest proof will be to compare the singing of KH and IR in Then paandi cheemayile! IR had no need even for orchestration there, neither some kind of complex machining like what ARR does to his voice -e.g arabikkadaloram & columbus, to make it appealing! What more is needed in a movie song after all?
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ proxy2-external.moline1.il.home.com) on: Sat Aug 21 07:24:42 EDT 1999
  
  "ARR, MSV, or Deva haven't taken on beautiful melodies and butchered them like IR has done many times. "
  
  --- well said udhya, Arr or MSV never misused thier status.
  
  
  
• From: Sabesan (@ 152-ppp-a.tnt09.agis.net) on: Sat Aug 21 12:35:32 EDT 1999
  
  Hello Srikanth.... hmmm enna ella threadlayium thalaivara oru vazhi panradhunnu mudivooda erangiteengalaaaa.... hello RAJ RAJ RAJ..... enga poitar Raj avargal..... we need him badly here......
  
  adhu enna IR padinal mattum thappaaaa..... i read the title of this thread (is it u the same Srikanth, if so go ahead and read the next statement)..... u have finished "ARR is taking one song in each of his movies" appadinnu ezhudhitu, "well said udhaya, ARR or MSV never misused their status" appadinna enna artham....
  
  ok i will come to the point, IR nalla pattee padalaiaaa Sir....
  
  Janane Janane
  Poomaalaiyeee thozh seravaaa - Pagal Nilavu
  Idhayam Oru Koil - from same movie
  Then Paandi Seemaiyellle - Nayagan
  Athaddi Paavada Kathaaadaaa - Povilangu
  Vada Vatudhu - Chakkalathi
  Enna Pattu Paadaa - Chakkalathi
  Chollaam Vedhakaiyeeeleeee - 16 Vayathinelle
  Thenna Marathula - Lakshmi
  Konji Pesu Kobam enna kannnama - Kadhal Kavithai
  
  well, i can say many..... wait iam not supporting IR singing at all.... some songs i have also felt, should have been sung by others.... but i just can't say that "IR should not sing"..... even he has a voice.... adhu seri line 2la avar suthi poiduchu, avar high pitch songs pada mudiathu.... agreed... he is not good in high pitch songs.... so, does that mean that he is not a good singer at all.... may be its because u compare IR voice with KJY, SPB etc :-))))
  
  but i can say one thing Srikanth sathamma "kovuratha" vida, enga thalaivar padurathu evalavooo thevalaaai....
  
  
• From: Sabesan (@ 50-ppp-a.tnt09.agis.net) on: Sat Aug 21 13:28:45 EDT 1999
  
  Srikanth.... i want to add one more to the list above....
  
  Ponaapolaa aathaa, enna pethu pottaa.....
  
  i really love this song very much.... whenever i hear it makes me very "soggaaaaaaam".....
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.246) on: Sat Aug 21 17:36:46 EDT 1999
  
  Sabesan,
  
  The 'Srikanth' who started this thread is not the same 'Srikanth' who has posted just before you ;))
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ proxy2-external.moline1.il.home.com) on: Sun Aug 22 09:26:58 EDT 1999
  
  Guys,
  How many of you have heard MSV in his 30's and 40's. May be just one of 2 here.
  He had a Clear surthi and pitch, much better than any one else. I would compare with gantasala
  his voice was very soft.
  
  But your man!, Raja's, totally miused his status. any day he is not at all singer. -- the chorus humming in "Raja' song in agni natchatiram --- pa pa pa ---- sari polamabal. Thevai ya adhu...
  
  --- the chorus in Ur oruama athupakkam thenam thopu....thangala da sami.
  
  there are more. I do not object you guys liking his great voice!.... when there are better singers he misused his status and sang, and later stages started to scribble lyrics like (Nila adhu vanathu mela --- (will it be on the road)) this is too much.
  
  
• From: AcronymMan (@ 216.68.38.23) on: Sun Aug 22 12:25:40 EDT 1999
  
  hehe...I would like to introduce a new acronym to surfers...TDS - Thangala Da sami!
  NOM!
  
  
• From: Bharathi (@ 202.54.65.36) on: Sun Aug 22 14:22:09 EDT 1999
  
  Some good songs sung by IR are :
  1. metti oli - metti
  2. sanggathil pAdAtha kavithai - auto rAjA
  3. oru jIvan azaithathu - gIthAnjali
  4. nAn Eri karai - chinna thAyi
  5. nAn thEdum sevvanthi pUvithu - dharma paththini
  6. kaNNammA kAthal ennum - vaNNa vaNNa pUkkaL
  
  ippadi solliNdE irukkalAm.
  nAn thIviramAna ARR rasigaithAn. irunthAlum IR mAthiri ARR-kku uchcharippu suththam kidaiyAthu.
  IR-ai vida nallA compose paNNa therinjA mattum ARR-kku pOthAthu, pAdavum theriyaNum.
  
  
  
• From: Swami (@ antarctis-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se) on: Sun Aug 22 15:17:21 EDT 1999
  
  shruthi sharanam seri.........pronounciation whne it come to Deva and ARR. Sorry.....tamil, valaipalam.....thamizh kolai. There nothing more than a crime than to kill the language.
  
  In this aspect IR is far far better & ahead than most of the lead playback singers of today, as far as language delivery goes. Just listen to the Haruharan version of thalatta varuvaloo and IR's version. You can feel the delivery.
  
  
• From: Diwakar (@ 206.175.177.168) on: Thu Aug 26 21:11:16 EDT 1999
  
  Srikanth, IR's lyrics are not any worse than :
  
  Avvaikku Goon azhagu - should she have a say in the matter?
  Telephone manipol sirippaval ivala - can continue with door bell, car horn, factory siren as part of the analogy.
  Ottagatha kattikko - edhukku aiya kattikanam?
  
  If professional lyricists can write such great lyrics, IR is better off with his Nila athu vanathu mele. At least, he is factual ;-)
  
  
  
• From: Mukund (@ bart.americas.nokia.com) on: Fri Aug 27 13:09:28 EDT 1999
  
  hello everyone,
  
  "Kungumam sivappu" paadal kettathillayaa ?? Lyricist Kannadasan if I am right.
  
  Any arguments ??
  
  
• From: karthi (@ 1cust249.tnt1.rantoul.il.da.uu.net) on: Fri Aug 27 20:17:12 EDT 1999
  
  A small digression...
  
  Surfers here might have known that once P Suseela seemed to have cried sitting in a separate room during the composing session of "Nenjirukkum Varai" and people got confused and sent for her husband..and all that: The reason she gave was she was..."enna irundhaalum ennaala ungaLa maadhiri paada mudiyalaiye..." - obviously she was addressing MSV. Here goes, that great composer's ability to sing! His gamakkams and improvisations were great whenver he did them: For an eg., you can listen to the line "nee....r veLukka nee..dhaan uNdu" when he sings the line the 2nd time in Allah Allah - I was dumb founded to hear the ease and definition with which he had
  delivered it! Mostly he chose to sing only background songs. That he was a great singer (though his profession was composing music) was a known fact. I know many people who are MSV fans - MSV as a singer.
  
  I feel IR has neither the ability nor the voice to sing. I was infact surprised to see a thread on IR as a singer! (was that you vijai, who started that thread:-))?)
  
  
• From: karthi (@ 1cust249.tnt1.rantoul.il.da.uu.net) on: Fri Aug 27 20:21:31 EDT 1999
  
  Mukund, that song "Koondhal Karuppu... aha...Kunkumam Sivappu...oho.." was a light "KiNdalaana" song by Kannadhaasan! Doesn't it reveal itself, when the heroine responds with a, aacharyaamana "Aahaaa..." and "OhO" for the hero's most obvious questions?
  
  

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