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All-Time Great Lyrics in TFM!

Topic started by Bhaskar (@ spider-wa062.proxy.aol.com) on Fri Jun 19 01:52:00 EDT 1998.
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Friends,

Shall we discuss about some all time
great Lyrics in TFM by any Lyricist independent
of which Era in TFM!

Lyrics should be peculiar in writing, peculiar
in meaning, different in thinking, it has to be
different from the usual ones. It has to be
Unique in its approach/writing!

I shall give a few examples of some Lyrics
which I feel is very different and unique in its
style of writing, meaning and thinking!

Thanks
Bhaskar

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• From: Ramki (@ csx22.cs.wmich.edu) on: Fri Nov 6 09:29:11 EST 1998
  
  Guys this thread is to discuss abt lyrics. kindly do not bring in ARR or IR or HH or anyone
  here. There are several other threads for these discussions -so kindly give your input there.
  Thanks
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Fri Nov 6 19:28:33 EST 1998
  
  Ennappa idhu akramam! Vaera ella idathulayum adi thadiyila thuni kizhiyuthunnu inga vandhu adaikkalam pugundhaa ingayumaa! Chae!
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Sun Nov 8 08:07:44 EST 1998
  
  good work, udhaya. and thanx for renewing this thread.
  the more I delve into the magical wonders of IR's music, the more i feel that lyrics, on the whole, have become a casualty. it is easy to argue that today's lyricist must write to a tune, but in the process it fetters the poet's freedom to write what comes to him naturally, his sinthanaigal, untrammelled by tune and orchestra.
  
  even under such trying circumstances, VM has acquitted himself, esp. in "poraalae ponnuththayi". though its a very difficult tune to write to, the lyrics manage to stand out:
  un maale kirukku
  uLLoora irukku
  vaai vittu chollaththaane
  thoodhu illa
  vaigaikku kadalil sera
  yogam illa
  athu seri vyaazhanum velliyum
  iruppadhu dhooramilla.
  absolutely amazing karpanai. look at the way he brings out the "kaadhal vayappatta gramaththu peNNin nilaimai" (sorry, english varavillai). and how she is reconciling herself to the "ettaakkani", her love.
  IMO, MSV's greatest cointribution to TFM has not been so much his great music, but the nourishing of kannadhaasan's boundless talent.
  another lyricist who has penned some great lines is panju arunachalam, who is not so much discussed in these days of Tinglish.
  was listening to the song "ponnezhil pooththgadhu puthu vaanil" from kalangarai viLakkam. mind-boggling wordplay with substance.
  "thennai vanaththil
  unnai mugam thottu
  eNNaththai chonnavan
  vaadugiren
  un iru kaNN pattu
  puN patta en nenjil
  un pattukkaippada paaduginren"
  whew!! blew me off my chair, i swear.
  lots more great songs to talk about. your turn, udhaya saar.
  
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Sun Nov 8 08:13:50 EST 1998
  
  add-on:
  btw,
  i have a thread in mind regarding lyrics that "kill" u. i mean, not bad lyrics, but songs which have peculiar and often ludicrous metaphors or similes.
  for eg:
  selayile veedu katta vaa
  serndhu vasikka
  jannal vechcha jacket podava
  thenral adikka
  i mean, this is crazy. bad lyrics i can understand, but what kind of a karpanai is this, i fail to understand.
  the same song ends
  "kaalam neram enbathu
  kaadhalil illaya
  kama devan kovilil
  kadigaarangaL thevaiya"
  aaaarrrgghhhh! atrocious is the word.
  looking fwd to feedback.
  
  footnote: i think discussing Kannadhaasan's lyrics merits a separate thread. maybe we can also have an exclusive one for songs with social messages (pattukottai, nsk)
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Nov 9 02:14:59 EST 1998
  
  kanavu kANum vazhkai yAvum has terrific lyrics
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Mon Nov 9 08:32:29 EST 1998
  
  cram: Search, I mean use the search box on top, say when you are gone for lunch or some thing, for kannadasan in the archives. You will get atleast 10-15 threads with a lot of interesting discussion. If you want to continue discussion, revive a thread by posting in it. Hope this helps. Similarly you couls search for samudhaya karuthulla paadalgal or NSK or whatever you want. Rem. the more keyowrds you give the more accurate your search. If you are using a lot of words, remember to 'or' your serach, that helps.
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Mon Nov 9 08:34:44 EST 1998
  
  cram: as you can see both of us have spelt kannadAsan's name diffrently. I would suggest that you use all possible spellings you can think of and or your search.
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Mon Nov 9 09:51:35 EST 1998
  
  thanx ravi
  inga line kidaippathe arithaaga irukku. athanaal whenever i get thru', i start posting all my ideas as fast as i can. reason why i don't spend much time at the archives. no wonder i kept suggesting threads that were already in existence. from now on i shall look before i leap.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon Nov 9 15:29:25 EST 1998
  
  Growing up I used to think that two of Kannadhaasan's songs were silly:
  1)Koondhal Karuppu Kungumam Sivappu
  2)Ettadukku Maaligaiyil Aetrivaitha En Kanavan
  
  Later I changed my mind about both when the underlying meaning became clear. I learned that Kannadhaasan was referring to DMK's colors when he wrote, "Koondhal Karuppu Kungumam Sivappu".
  
  About,"Ettadukku Maaligaiyil Aetrivaitha En Kanavan" Vaali, of all people, explained this song as one of his favorite Kannadhaasan songs. Apparently the ettadukku refers to the husband's body measure. Thannai than thalaikkum maelae vaiththuk kondaadiya kanavan thannai vittup pirindhaan endru soagaththil paadugiraal kaadhali.
  
  I love realising the underlying second layer of meaning in a song.
  
  Here's a clever turn of words in the song,"Unai eththanai murai paarthaalum salippadhillai":
  ni tha ma sari thaa
  kaaman kani nee
  kani nee patha maa
  kaadhal suvai nee
  
  Here the first and third lines sound like Carnatic aalabanai (is that the proper term?) and SPB sings it like it too. But upon closer inspection they read as nithamaa? sarithaa and kani nee pathamaa?. I love that kind of wordplay. I think Pulamaippiththan (another grossly overlooked writer) wrote this song from Neeya.
  
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.26.37) on: Mon Nov 9 21:28:29 EST 1998
  
  IMO on "Ettadukku":
  
  The lyric is explained as follows:
  
  "Enn chaann udambirku sirasae pradhaanam" is an adage. It seems everyone's body is roughly eight times one "chaann" of his own hand!(for those who do not understand what chaann is:spread your palm wide - the distance between the tip of the thumb to that of the little finger is one chaann) Try measuring it and you will find a amazing fact that the belly is just one chaann in length. From this stemmed the pulambal "oru chaan vayiththukku intha paadupadurom". Hence the "ettadukku" maaligai means as Udhaya has explained is indeed the body. The "thalaivan" who considered her to be higher than his body (which obviously is his soul) had now deserted her.
  
  
• From: Murali sankar (@ 129.252.26.37) on: Mon Nov 9 21:30:30 EST 1998
  
  typo read higher - "higher"
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Tue Nov 10 05:32:36 EST 1998
  
  there's another adage that goes, `erumbum than kaiyaal eNN chaan', which also means what murali sankar has said. it only goes to show that all creatures, great and small, are equal in the eyes of GOD. (now, let's not start a aaththiga-naaththiga discussion).
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Nov 10 17:55:01 EST 1998
  
  Murali and cram,
  Thanks for elucidating my posting. Here's a song whose pallavi lines are great, too bad I can't remember the rest of the song.
  Nee maegam aanaal enna
  naan thoagai aana pinnae
  viralaagi isaiththaal enna
  naan veenai aana pinnae
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 141.218.96.68) on: Tue Nov 10 18:59:44 EST 1998
  
  I might have discussed this song in other threads but It just belongs here:))
  
  "mounathil vizhaiyadum manasaatchiye" from Noolveli. The song reflects the feelings of an human being who repents for the misdeed he has done(knowingly or unknowingly) at some of point of his life.
  
  
  Mounathil vizhaiyadum manasaatchiye
  aayiram ninaivaagi
  aanandha kanavaagi
  kaariyam thavaraanal
  kangalil neeragi
  
  ragasiya churangam nee
  naadaga arangam nee
  sodhanai kalam allava
  nenje kuzhappathin thaiallava
  ************************
  oru kanam thavaraagi
  pala yugam thavippai nee
  oomaiyin paribaashai Kannadasan at his best
  kangalil vadippai nee
  ************************
  
  
  
  
  unmaikku oru saatchi
  poi solla pala saatchi
  yaarukkum nee allava
  nenje manidhanin nizhalallava
  *****************************
  aasaiyil kallagi
  achathil mezhugagi
  yaar mugam parthaalum Simple words but so aiyathil thavippai nee meaningul
  Yaar mugam parthaalum
  aiyathil thavippai nee
  *****************************
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 141.218.96.68) on: Tue Nov 10 19:01:48 EST 1998
  
  Oops previous posting bajjiyaagivittadhu.
  
  The second charanam should be
  
  aasaiyil kallagi
  achathil mezhugagi
  yaar mugam parthaalum
  aiyathil thavippai nee
  Yaar mugam parthaalum
  aiyathil thavippai nee
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.26.218) on: Tue Nov 10 23:44:18 EST 1998
  
  A slight digression:
  
  Mounaththil vilaiyaadum is almost a ditto of "Maanasa Sanchararey". Both are in Saama Ragam.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 141.218.96.67) on: Wed Nov 11 09:51:43 EST 1998
  
  Murali shankar u r rite and i guess there are very few saama raagam based songs in TFM. MSV aptly chose BalaMurali for this song and BM did full justice to the song.
  
  
• From: Sathiya (@ skrithik.qualcomm.com) on: Wed Nov 11 17:05:15 EST 1998
  
  In balachandar's unnal mudiyum thambhi -
  "Samaiththu kaattuvOm" -song has
  lot of swaram alais sahithyam-s. I mean lines like
  
  saa tha maa ga thaa ma tha maa
  sAthamaagha thAmathamaa?
  
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm062-25.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Wed Nov 11 21:03:22 EST 1998
  
  There is a beautiful song'janakarin magalai manamagalaaga'from Rojavin Raja(*ing Sivaji,AVMRajan and Vanisree)
  Situation : Sivaji and Vanisree are lovers ,Sivaji and AVMR are close friends(or brothers?).But Vanisrees parents decide to get her married to AVMR. AVMR,Sivaji and their parents visit Vanisrees house for pen parthal.
  Here kavignar kannadasan very aptly uses Janakis suyamvaram to express the emotions of Vanisree.
  
  Janakarin magalai manamagalaaga
  Raaman ninaithirindhaan
  Raja raaman ninaithirundhaan
  aval suyamvaram kaana mannavar silarum midhalaikku vandhirundhaar
  janakarin ....
  
  mani muthu maaligai madathil nindru
  janaki parthirundhaal
  aval poovizhi sivakka
  malaradi kodhikka
  raamanai thedi vandhaal
  naanam oru puram
  aasai oru puram
  kavalai oru puram
  aval nilamai thirupuram
  moochinai kandu janaki kazhuthil muthum karugiyadhae
  aval koondhalin malarum jaanaki nilamaikku urugiyadhae
  
  janakarin...
  
  nenjinai maraithaal ninaivai maraithaal
  kangalai maraikkavillai
  munivar orupuram
  sree raaman pinpuram
  seedhai thaniyidam
  aval ninaivo avanidam
  mannaverellam suyamvaram kaana mandrathil vandhuvittar
  adhil mannavan oruvan villinai edukka
  janaki kalangi vittal
  janaki kalangi vittal
  
  (And he stops the song here)
  
  
  
• From: paadalil_urugiyavan (@ pm062-22.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Fri Nov 13 12:36:09 EST 1998
  
  en kaadhalae en kaadhalae
  ennai enne seiyaa pogirai
  naan oviyan endru therindhum nee
  aen kannirandai ketkirai
  
  (oru oviyanukku kangal evvalavu mukkiyamo
  enakku en kaadhal mukkiyam
  kangal illamal oviyamedhu
  en kaadhal illamal naanedhu
  naan jeevika nee vendum en kaadhalae)
  
  siluvaigal siragugal rendil edhai thara pogirai
  
  (ennai kaadhal vaanil siragadithu parakka viduvaaya?
  alladhu sogam endre siluvaiyil ennai
  nee araindhida pogiraaya)
  
  Killuvadhai killivittu aen thalli nindru parkkirai
  (sanjalamilladhirundha en manadhil salanathai aerpaduthiya nee naan padum thavippai thalli nindri rasippadhu nyayama en kaadhalae?)
  
  kaadhalae nee kannadithaal
  endha malaiyum konjam kuzhaiyum
  kaadhalae nee kallerindhaal
  endha nadhiyum konjam kalangum
  
  (naan nadhiyum alla
  malaiyum alla
  verum manidham
  unnal kuzhaindhen
  ippodhu kalangugirren
  naalai kulaindhiduveno?)
  
  
  Idhu maatrama thadumaatrama
  en nenjile panimoottama?
  (idhu dhan un mudiva?alladhu sila ganangalae thondrum tharkaaliga mudiva?en manadhil padarndhirukkum sogathaal ennal unaramudiyavillaiya)
  
  nee thoziya illa edhiriya
  endru dhinamum porattama
  
  (en vazhvil nuzhaindhu enakku ennai unarthiya nee
  en thozhi aanal adhae nee indru enakku edhaiyum unarthaamal vilagi selgiraaye, ennai paridhavikka vaikkiraiye-yaar ne?)
  
  
  kaadhalae un kaaladiyil
  naan vizhundhu vizhundhu thozhudhen
  kangalai nee moodikondai
  naan kulungi kulungi azhudhen
  
  (en manadhil unnai deivamaakki en ennangalaal unakku poojai seidhen,unnai panindhu thozhudhen.
  enakku parikka theriyadhu
  petrukolla dhan theriyum
  enakku vizhunga theriyadhu
  vanga mattum dhan theriyum
  aanal neeyo kangalai moodikondu
  kaaladiyil irukkum ennai etti udhaikkirai
  naan azhugiren
  en udalil aerpatta kaayathukkaga alla
  en manadhil aerpadum valikkaga)
  
  ini vazhvadha vittu povadha
  amudhenbadha vishamenbadha
  unnai amudha vishamenbadha
  
  (unnai ninaithal nenjemengum inikkiradhu
  aanaal indru nee seiyum seigaiyo
  kasakkiradhu.
  Inippaga irindha nee kasandhadhu aen
  vishamaagagiyadhen
  nee enne inikkum vishama?)
  
  

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