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ARR's Success - Modesty and Talent Combo

Topic started by Dorairaj Pichaiyan (@ gateway7.ey.com) on Tue Jun 1 10:29:19 EDT 1999.
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I was viewing the ARRs concert in Dubai. What I noticed is ARR seems to be a very calm composed and modest guy with very little ego. He was performing the show with a mega troop with no signs of ego or anything like that. I have seen a similar concert of ARR in malaysia where ARR was also performing the show so nicely with out making much show about himeself.

This man has absolutely no ego and has tons of talent in him. Thats the primary reason for his success at such an young age. He has many more years of great musical performance with him.

This is one aspect which is lacking in IR who shows his superiority over anyone who works with him. Hence all the directors and producers have turned away from him.

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Responses:

• From: Mr.Kuzapam (@ 206.139.13.152) on: Tue Jun 1 11:32:28 EDT 1999
  
  Basic qualification for a MD is they should have a some capability to do music and their music should impress the common man.
  The modesty and others factors comes only next., but adds value to a great extent. ARR has some percentage of all of them.
  60% talent,
  20% Modesty and behaviour.
  20% Change in peoples taste.
  10% Luck, getting pushed up by proper people.
  
  Just great musical talent is not enough.
  
  How much ever you study high!, you should pass the interview to get a job.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.154) on: Tue Jun 1 11:54:31 EDT 1999
  
  Humility & modesty are great qualities, no doubt! Should ARR possess them really, it is good for him.
  
  
• From: SPAM (@ portal.ameritech.com) on: Tue Jun 1 12:54:50 EDT 1999
  
  i totally second eden and Mr. Kuzhappam 90%. composing is 90% talent and 10% modesty. (We are still in the IR era.) Why only 10%? Because it is acting requires 90% modesty and 10% genius (after the post Shivaji era.) also modesty is required only 10% of the times. that is when you are doing shows or giving interviews. therefore, if you are doing 90% of your time in shows and interviews then you require 90% modesty and only 10% genius. This can also become the pareto rule - 80%/20% combo which says 80% of the time you should have sandwich (talent) and 20% fries and drink (modesty).
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Tue Jun 1 14:43:08 EDT 1999
  
  Talent is supreme and important, yes, but when immodesty and ego overshadows the talent and comes in the way of profession, whats the point ?? When perceived talent levels are almost equal, and when both the MDs can deliver the good directors expect, the weightage for modesty and talent shifts!! This is one area which ARR has made good use of!
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Tue Jun 1 17:16:51 EDT 1999
  
  SPAM,
  Could you be more clear what you are trying to say.
  
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Tue Jun 1 17:19:31 EDT 1999
  
  ARR has talent more than his modesty and humbleness. Look at a guy who has created songs like "Kannallanee..." and "Thee Thee.. Thithikumm Thee" you can see the talent explicitly. These are just great compositions.
  
  Lets agree to the fact that the guy is a great musician and a humble man. whether he does 90% shows or 10% compositions.
  
  
• From: SPAM (@ portal.ameritech.com) on: Tue Jun 1 18:31:20 EDT 1999
  
  Dorai sir - i am trying to tell that there is a connection between talent and sandwich. whether you agree or not, I feel there is a probable (80 to 90%) relationship
  
  Modestly and jestfully,
  Spam
  
  
• From: Jana (@ pppa20-columbus1-4r146.saturn.bbn.com) on: Mon Jun 7 18:58:23 EDT 1999
  
  I think ARR should have to be modesty, while he brings out all his talents, otherwise, he would soon vanish. Any layman would learn to behave modestly, atleast, after seeing what is happening to people who have not had this when they are on their peak. All the more reason as to why he should be modesty is that there are lot of other upcoming talented MDs in the field. ARR cannot afford to lose his position for lack of this quality. He needs to be goody goody to everyone.
  
  However, modesty alone cannot bring the success, if so, Gangai Amaran would have been the most-sought MD in TFM even now.
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Thu Jun 10 15:41:15 EDT 1999
  
  Jana,
  Modesty and Talent Combo together can acheive great heights. Right?. Thats what was missing in IR in the Pinnacle of his career
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.136) on: Fri Jun 11 01:07:47 EDT 1999
  
  It may not be 100% correct that `modesty was missing' with IR during the pinnacle of his career. That could have been the creation of the media... There are definite indications otherwise...How can one explain his great scores for totally unknown producers as well as actors like Ramarajan, Rajkiran etc.? For a peron with so much of talent & sitting on top of the market, to compose great scores for the likes of Ramarajan...does that not talk tons about humility and modesty?
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-75-71.sprint.ca) on: Fri Jun 11 03:42:02 EDT 1999
  
  How is a person supposed to modest and humble? I don't understand. If an MD obliges to everything a director or producer says then he is supposed to be modest and humble but if he gave his own views then he is not, is that it? If he openly agrees that a piece of music he made was really good(and it probably was) then he is not modest? I mean quite a lot of people have said that IR is very humble, let alone what others who don't like him have said. Then again, it could be vice versa. No one can know except for IR. You guys who praise ARR for modesty and humbleness. Let me tell you a story. You know how K.Balachander praised ARR when he introduced him and stuff at the early stages of ARR's career. Well the reason he started working with other MD's and not ARR is supposed to be because he found it insulting that ARR did not listen to him when he had said to do something. But then ARR probably could make up his own mind right? So are any of you going to accuse ARR of not being humble to someone who introduced him to cinema.....
  
  
• From: UV (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Fri Jun 11 08:22:15 EDT 1999
  
  aruvi,
  
  I think somebody would have told KB that whatever little amount duet grossed was due to the songs. that would have hurt KB's ego like the way it did earlier (pudhu pudhu arthangal)
  
  In both the cases (IR and ARR) , KB is the loser.
  
  
• From: Jaya peragash (@ bkj-cache83.jaring.my) on: Fri Jun 11 10:05:01 EDT 1999
  
  Modesty aside( I know hundreds of modest people )
  THE thing to look for is TALENT
  i think ARR got lots of it.Oh Yeah! Very Good arangement & mixing of familiar and catchy tunes , and the best of all doing all that in record(longest) time.(Unprofessional) But composing talent??? I seriously doubt so.
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Fri Jun 11 11:15:12 EDT 1999
  
  Jaya,
  Who asked IR not to take his time and compose catchy tunes with good arrangements. He does not want to do it just to keep his ego up. Hence the downfall.
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Fri Jun 11 11:16:21 EDT 1999
  
  There is a difference between modesty and ego. Modesty need not be the middle name to reach great heights, but its the ego that'd puncture the tyre of any successful journey. IR may be modest, but he is definitely egoistic. May be, thats justifiable, but that certainly did play with his career
  
  
• From: vj (@ troilus.public.buffalo.edu) on: Fri Jun 11 13:19:04 EDT 1999
  
  Modestty....Eh!.... I guess everybody has ego. Accept it. Modesty is just a word. I dont see any real person possesing one. Without Ego, humans are nothing. Ego is the very essence of individuality. People tend to live under the illusion that ego is bad. In fact its the opposite. Ego is good, but one must realize too much of anything is bad.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmxlenx.na.informix.com) on: Fri Jun 11 14:01:20 EDT 1999
  
  Modesty and humility automatically come in , or are in play when the MD is very sincere, that is when he condemns his own creations of the past to the archives , empties his mind from the effect of success of his past creations and sits down to conjure up a(n) tune/arrangement which will introduce him to a new world of music hitherto not experienced. The ideal state ofcourse is to experience something new , travel through unchartered territories each time a composer sits for a composing session. This is the main reason why MSV and IR seldom talk about their own creations , they generally come up with a cryptic reply or do not delve too deeply into it.
  
  
• From: Jana (@ pppa57-columbus13-5r476.saturn.bbn.com) on: Sat Jun 12 21:13:46 EDT 1999
  
  Dorai and Eden:
  
  I absolutely agree with you (Dorai) that IR lacked the quality of modesty when he was at his peeks. That's why I am saying that ARR better have this quality, otherwise, he would soon be history.
  
  Eden, I may disagree with you, because, IR has of course, given some of his best songs in Ramarajan movies, that does not display his modesty, rather those would show his talent. The reason as to why he could have accepted such movie dealings is because he could show his dominance like singing few songs in those movies without much objections/confrontation from new Directors. Of course, these allegations were aired in Media, however, I would believe so, otherwise he would not have sung so many songs in the movies. However, ARR can't afford to do what IR has done, while ARR is no way comparable to IR in terms of talents. IR is a great great great composer and he has many many credentials.
  
  However, If IR was so modesty and less-egoistic, he would not have fought with Vairamuthu or his own brother or some others in the TFM.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.141) on: Sat Jun 12 23:38:11 EDT 1999
  
  Jana:
  Modesty and difference of opinion (or `fighting' as per your words) can co-exist! They are definitely not mutually exclusive - esp. taking the fact into consideration that we are talking about creative artistes!
  
  (BTW,It is definitely not correct to say that IR got into glory or lost glory thanks to VM/GA. Remember IR's initial galaxy of songs had PA -Panju Arunachalam- as lyricist!)
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.157) on: Sun Jun 13 06:26:16 EDT 1999
  
  A firsthand report on IR's style of functioning (may be the case thru-out his career). This may give some insight to his modesty / ego:
  http://www.indolink.com/tamil/cinema/Specials/98/August/
  
  
• From: Jyothi (@ dm303adsgrad.sdstate.edu) on: Sun Jun 13 14:00:27 EDT 1999
  
  I am sorry for not sticking to the subject of ARRs modesty and other stuff, Did any of you listen to the taal songs, please respond, I can't wait to listen to them
  
  
• From: Shyam (@ bellatrix.anonymizer.com) on: Sun Jun 20 13:19:26 EDT 1999
  
  Where can I find MP3s of Sangamam and Taal?
  
  Thanks.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-83-40.sprint.ca) on: Sun Jun 20 14:02:17 EDT 1999
  
  Shyam, you can find them at
  
  www.arrahman.net
  
  
  
  

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