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Raaga decision

Topic started by Omega (@ 205.227.43.13) on Fri Jan 12 14:53:06 EST 2001.
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How raagam is decided for a tamil film song?
Suppose lyrics are given to a music
director, situation is told. How he decides
what 'raaga' to be used for that song?

Are there raagas for particular situation
'gowlai' for crying, 'anandha bhairavi' for
happy something like hat?

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Responses:

• From: mohana (@ 202.156.0.3) on: Sun Jan 14 06:22:03 EST 2001
  
  Omega do you know carnatic music? If u don't know its alright. Just write lyrics of your own, create a new tune of your own and sing it for yourself. I only know that one can create a new tune for oneself. But I don't know whether the person would have learned carnatic music. do u think that all the music directors know carnatic or hindustani or western or other music?
  
  
• From: Omega (@ 205.227.43.15) on: Tue Jan 16 00:17:23 EST 2001
  
  Mohana:
  
  All the music directors in their interviews
  they say ' I learnt that , I got a degree
  from and so and so college or my father
  is very strong in carnatic or Hindustani
  or whatever'....
  
  So the doubt you are having is my doubt too.
  
  All music directors do they have learnt
  any kind of music(Carnatic, Hindustani or
  Western ) ? or just they have listened
  and practised themselves?
  
  
• From: mohana (@ 202.156.2.246) on: Wed Jan 17 02:52:10 EST 2001
  
  yah you're right Omega. My mother says that whenever they are free they create tune and record them somewhere else. Like these they create lots of tunes. When someone comes to them to ask them to play music for there film, they just play one of their tunes. I think so. Not sure. I think they will pick some part of tune from the raagam and add in their song. What do u say, Omega?
  
  
• From: Omega (@ 205.227.43.15) on: Wed Jan 17 03:20:48 EST 2001
  
  Mohana:
  
  Most of the tamil film songs are based
  on some raagam...so i think
  all tunes (even their own will be based
  on some raagam)
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Wed Jan 17 03:45:53 EST 2001
  
  omega
  
  when i had a chance to meet ilayaraja, i asked him the same question. but his reply was that he never composed keeping a particular raga in mind.
  
  
• From: Omega (@ 205.227.43.12) on: Wed Jan 17 12:40:51 EST 2001
  
  cram
  
  you are right...actually what happens
  (only my views...corrections and suggestions
  welcome)
  after some stage where all raagas for
  a music director has become a cake-walk
  meaning, they can just play the tunes
  spontaneously (any raaga) i.e
  they may not think of any raaga , but just
  play the tunes...
  
  The point here is that these tunes will
  also be based on some raaga(but the
  music director may or may not thought of
  this in mind)
  
  Your reply also raises a big question...
  
  so that means after some stage, one can
  just play any tune, any raga(without awareness)
  and try? WOW! sounds wonderful
  
  But what about the situation film director
  gives? sad situation or happy situation?
  
  Can a music director play a tune
  for sad and happy situations too
  automatically without any raaga in his mind?
  
  
• From: cram (@ 216.34.244.103) on: Fri Jan 19 05:01:52 EST 2001
  
  the musicmaking process is baffling. maybe after doing dozens and dozens of films, you become oriented towards a certain tune pattern for a particular situation or theme (this is noticeable in IR's scores for ramarajan, they are all immediately recognisable).
  but how does one explain the use of a soga raagam for a happy song like Kandupudichen Kandupudichen? point to ponder, eh?
  
  
• From: Omega (@ 205.227.43.13) on: Fri Jan 19 14:16:16 EST 2001
  
  so cram, it looks like then they don't care
  about raagas , thaalas, just given a situation
  they compose by picturising the whole scene
  in their heart and raagas fall into the
  picture themselves. Man, this is amazing indeed!!
  
  
  But still I always wonder,
  how for example say
  in Nenjathai Killadhe film,
  Mohan and Suhasini song
  'Paruvame Pudhiya Paadal paadu' - Morning
  jogging situation, where few are awake,
  calmness, rustling of leaves, birds singing
  
  - So morning raagas can be used for that?
  Is that 'Bhoopalam' by the way? Can or Will
  the music director think like that?
  
  Similarly , 'Putham pudhu Kaalai, Ponnira Velai'
  these kind of songs.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Fri Jan 19 16:42:10 EST 2001
  
  Hold on..not all music directors compose the same way. Some people might pick rAgams consciously based on the qualities of that rAgam. Some pick a rhythm first and then come up with a melody. Whereas traditionally a tune is set after the lyrics is written. This means the lyrics writer chose the rhythm for you. Because every asai is on a beat boundary.
  
  
• From: mohana (@ 202.156.2.85) on: Sun Jan 21 08:12:32 EST 2001
  
  In chinna thambi film there are two same tuned songs, one happy and other one sad. Which is Poavomaa Oorgolam (happy) and Nee Enge en anbe (sad). Can anyone tell the difference in tune or the way they sang the song? There is also difference in music. Happy songs have active music while sad songs have slow music. This is one of the difference. Are there any others?
  
  
• From: mohana (@ 202.156.2.85) on: Sun Jan 21 08:15:14 EST 2001
  
  Omega do u listen to hindi songs? If u, then have u listened to har dil jo pyar karega song? In that film the same song is one happy and sad. Compare that for yourself?
  
  
• From: Omega (@ 205.227.43.13) on: Mon Jan 22 00:11:17 EST 2001
  
  Mohana:
  
  yep, I do listen to hindi songs.
  but I don't remember that song which
  you are talking about in 'har dil jo pyar karega'
  
  Mohana, sad songs or happy songs
  depend on the situation film director gives
  I believe!
  
  For example,
  
  in Naayagan, Nizhalgal Ravi dies and
  IR just used 'thenpaandi seemaiyile'
  beautifully. Depends on the film director
  also to major extent. The film director
  should picturise and explain clearly
  to the music director. At that time
  that slow music in the background was too
  good!
  
  'Kanne kalaimaane' wow! The situtation and
  the song matched very well. So, it's
  the Director of the film who plays a major
  role!
  
  Ok, are we diverting from the topic?
  
  
  
  
• From: Omega (@ 205.227.43.13) on: Mon Jan 22 00:13:55 EST 2001
  
  Kiru, I have a question for you...
  So that means the lyrics writer should know
  about rhythms and stuff like that...
  
  I have been thinking till now that lyric writers
  are separate...Depending on the situation
  they just provide songs...correct me if i am
  wrong
  
  
• From: mohana (@ 202.156.2.246) on: Sat Jan 27 05:50:09 EST 2001
  
  Yaaraiyum kaanalai intha threadule. Aen?
  Kiru Its your turns to answer Omega's question.
  
  
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