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Topic started by Omega (@ 148.87.1.170) on Thu Jun 14 17:18:08 EDT 2001.
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Stagela ellarum eppadi paadaraanga?
oru maadhiri bayama irukkume.
Yaarvadhu stagela paadaravanga tips thara
mudiyuma?

Responses:

From: lottu (@ 207.208.176.190) on: Thu Jun 14 17:23:19 EDT 2001

Ellarum vaayla thaan paaduvaanga-nu kelvipattirukkaen. adhu enna stage-la paadrathu ?
From: Omega (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Thu Jun 14 17:44:30 EDT 2001

lottu, adhu illa. stagela erin vudane
ellarum paarppaanga..bayama irukkadha?
From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Thu Jun 14 18:08:57 EDT 2001

ellarum paadarangannu therinjathane bayam. kanna moodikkina?

admin. pleae change the name of the page to askanything.com, answering_vettis.com
From: samatti (@ 205.188.200.213) on: Thu Jun 14 18:19:55 EDT 2001

pattai kekkaporavangathaane bayapadanum,paadaravanga aen bayapadanum
From: UVII (@ 63.224.65.186) on: Thu Jun 14 18:38:13 EDT 2001

Suggestion #1: summa kannai mudikondu, MIC eduthu padavendiyathu thaan.

Suggestion #2 : See lot of MIC Mohan's films like uthayageetham...etc. You can find many ways for holding the MIC in odd ways, which will make u comfortable :-)))

THREAD ARAMBIKARTHUKU VEVASTHEYE ILLAYA.

newtfmpage Admins, pl bring some system, by which u moderate opening new threads...
see threads like
1. Ramiy is against ARR
2. ARR the worst,
3. IR the worst,
4. ARR is 100 times better than IR..

so on...
can be avoided in the begning itself, rather than closing the thread in the middle. It looks as though you guys leave it for a while and then do it.
From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Thu Jun 14 19:03:50 EDT 2001

If this thread is not closed in the next 1hr , i'll start a new thread titling, 'Useless and irrelevant threads in newtfmpage.'

Guys remember - somebody ultimately is paying for the pages we waste.
From: hari (@ 66.68.101.152) on: Thu Jun 14 21:59:58 EDT 2001

if this thread is not closed in 2 hours, rajaG, comment and MS will thee kuLichchufy. I will pay for the kerosene :)
From: ~~arochordidae~~ (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Thu Jun 14 22:03:05 EDT 2001

lol
From: Omega (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Thu Jun 14 22:35:05 EDT 2001

i am sorry. enna mannichirunga. Hari and others.
inime ippadi open panna matten.

Sorry. Please close this thread.
From: Omega (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Thu Jun 14 22:35:21 EDT 2001

i am sorry. enna mannichirunga. Hari and others.
inime ippadi thread open panna matten.

Sorry. Please close this thread.
From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.39) on: Fri Jun 15 02:14:25 EDT 2001

hari, shall I also contribute:))

BTW, Omega here's what you should do:

If you are confident about your voice and singing ability, you have overcome the first and foremost hurdle! So, rule no. 1 is your confidence about your singing.

Initially and mostly for the very first song (assuming you will sing more than one song), your voice will start to tremble because of nervousness and this, I think, is true even for experienced singers. But, try to focus on singing. So, rule no.2 is focus.

There's an extraneous nuisance that goes with this: You will almost always hear your voice coming out of the microphone (speakers) to be slightly lagging than your own voice - which could be really disconcerting...this is sure to dirupt your rhythm a little bit (and more if you don't really catch up) if you're singing with an orchestra. (I think this happens if the auditorium or the sound arrangement is not that good). So, rule no. 3 is to concentrate and NOT to flicker by intrusions.

Once you have sung the first three or four lines (and have not invitied rolling stones from the audience!), you will start to feel comfortable...but ONLY if you start to go INTO the song ie you have let your emotions loose - and this you will certainly do if you really are enjoying singing. So, rule no. 4 to drift into the song.

After you are in this phase, henceforth your sailing (singing) will be smoother...here's where you try to do some improvisations, or emote better even than the actual singer, and give some creative touch here and there...and eventually bringing your song to a nice completion.

------- All of what I said so far mostly holds good if you're singing in a school or college level competition with or without orchestra. I don't have any experience of professional singing.

If you want to sing in an orchestra, the best way to learn is start singing in one, so your practice will take you past your fear. Another way to know about all this is to ask rajaG.
From: Omega (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Fri Jun 15 03:26:31 EDT 2001

romba thanx Karthi. Unga comments padichadhe
niraya confidence kodukkudhu.
From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Fri Jun 15 09:53:37 EDT 2001

Karthi/RajaG,

"You will almost always hear your voice coming out of the microphone (speakers) to be slightly lagging than your own voice -"

Is there anyway that one can set up something at home to get a feel for this. I have heard that on the stage, a few speakers are placed on the stage facing the performers, so they can hear what they are playing. Perhaps that is the only way that one can hear what one is singing. It is very different than when you are not singing to a mike when you are hearing yourself at close quarters. Will singing along with a Karoke at home help ?

Thanks.
From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Fri Jun 15 10:58:05 EDT 2001

Sugrutha:

I am not sure I understand your question correctly. But,while on stage, one easy way to "hear" what one is singing is to close an ear completely. This ensures that the singer hears what he sings, "inside himself", wihtout any lag and also would help in keeping track of the instruments (especially the rhythm and atleast the scale chord) and singing syncronously.

And BTW, IMHO, this thread is far better than the insipid IR x ARR threads and is not completely impertinent to tfm.
From: I once had stage fright.... (@ 32.97.110.66) on: Fri Jun 15 11:09:59 EDT 2001

MS, stage monitors are used as Sugrutha described. Closing one ear helps with sruthi, but does not give a good feedback about your voice w.r.t the orchestra - and it certainly looks odd, plugging one ear with a finger while on stage ;-)
From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Fri Jun 15 11:15:59 EDT 2001

:-) But I guess it would be weirder to sing something totally offbeat and off shruthi :-)
From: ~~arochordidae~~ (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Fri Jun 15 12:05:21 EDT 2001

To: I once had a stage fright...but it went away when I stopped singing
Don't project a (-) view of urself. Quitting never helps anybody. Even if the name is supposed to have a comical touch, it encourages those new to the singing field to do that likewise
Keep smiling:)
From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Fri Jun 15 22:05:22 EDT 2001

rajaG kittE irunthu entha pathilumE illayE ....
From: Pozhudhu pogadhavan (@ 12.92.214.222) on: Mon Jun 18 14:30:41 EDT 2001

Super Thread-ma...

appadiye "Trouser Eppadi Poduradhu?"-nnu oru thread aarambingo.
From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Mon Jun 18 15:35:19 EDT 2001

Sugrutha: Sorry for the delayed response.

Normally, we have monitor speakers which will give us a feedback of what we are singing. In luxurious situations, we have also had monitor speakers with a dedicated mix and amplification - so that you can listen to the feedback the way YOU want to hear, not necessarily the way the audience or other musicians will be receiving it. Most of the time, there is a vocal effects processor added to your singing (in a simple case it is just reverb and/or delay) which if properly managed, smoothens the flow of your voice (at least the way you hear it) and makes singing more fun. The rules are simple - the more complex equipments you add, more chances of goof-ups by amateurs. Singing with a karaoke is a good practice, however the sounds on the stage with a live band is quite different. Almost all the instruments are louder and more distinct. Especially Lead/ Rhythm Guitar chords, Bass Drums, and Bass Guitar.

To give a short answer to your question, you must be lucky to get a good band to accompany you or atleast a band which knows when to tone down. 90% of the audience would NOT know if the guitarist should have played G# major instead of F minor, but they may know if the singer scr*ws up.

Relatively, a singer's task is easier on stage than that of the principal instrumentalist - but it is also the easiest to scr*w up:-)
From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Mon Jun 18 15:36:32 EDT 2001

oops! only if properly managed should have been italicized
From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Mon Jun 18 15:37:35 EDT 2001

closing
From: bb (@ 216.217.80.201) on: Mon Jun 18 15:42:38 EDT 2001
From: closing (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Mon Jun 18 15:44:10 EDT 2001
From: UV (@ 134.113.203.137) on: Mon Jun 18 16:24:12 EDT 2001

rajaG nice tips.
BTW i dont think this thread is a waste
experience people like swamiji,rajag can give lots of inputs.
And I prefer these kind of thread than kuppai threads like IR the worst,scathing attack on MD etc etc.
Atleast here we get some useful information!!
From: hihi:-) (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Mon Jun 18 16:37:02 EDT 2001

rAjAjI, et al: i have seen (and had experienced too after which i totally gave up being on stage :-) ) quite a few times the monitors failing. what does one do in such situation? is there a fool-proof way of making sure that the monitors work (with too much expense!)?
From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Mon Jun 18 16:45:29 EDT 2001

aruL: In such a case (monitor failing) start with a devotional number and pray/bray haaaaaard!!!!!!!!!
From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Mon Jun 18 16:46:20 EDT 2001

Missed a few smileys there:-) :-) :-)
From: hihi:-) (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Mon Jun 18 17:17:48 EDT 2001

:-))) that's what we did! (i mean braying :-)) )
From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Mon Jun 18 18:31:09 EDT 2001

rajaG,

Thank you for the detailed response. Probably the best way to start is by singing chorus (gumbaloda govindha :-) ).
From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Mon Jun 18 18:36:21 EDT 2001

Sugrutha, if its your first time on the stage make sure you wear a helmet just in case..;-))))
From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Mon Jun 18 18:49:44 EDT 2001

rajaG
"but they(audience) may know if the singer scr*ws up" may illa, WILL. collegela eththana pera kindal adichciruppom !

Vijay, thanks for the encouragement :-)
From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Mon Jun 18 19:15:01 EDT 2001

pozudhu pOgaadhavan:

Omega did not know how to sing on stage. So he raised a query.

Should I think your query reflects your ignorance ? :-)
From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.81) on: Tue Jun 19 00:40:33 EDT 2001

MS, solli kodukkalaama...? (incase neengaLum pozhudhu pogaadhavanum orE aaLna) sollik kodukkavaa?
From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Tue Jun 19 11:34:18 EDT 2001

Karthi:

I dont talk to myself :-)
From: Pozhudhu pogadhavan (@ 12.92.216.62) on: Tue Jun 19 13:44:56 EDT 2001

Karthi,

Naan Avan Illai.
From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.128) on: Tue Jun 19 22:11:10 EDT 2001

Pozhudhu pOgadhadhaala neenga enna vENaa pannuveenga like for eg...
From: Dorai (@ 12.144.36.2) on: Fri Jun 22 13:53:41 EDT 2001

Hello All,
My experience with stage singing with full orchestra is that, almost all the instruments on stage sound too loud and bothers you a lot. Moreover, there is no feedback of your voice. So, as rightly suggested by MS on an earlier posting my best method is to close one ear, so that atleast you get a feeback of what your voice/shruthi sounds like. This has helped me a lot. I have seen this method followed by a lot of professional singers on stage. So, I believe this is the simplest method to follow.

Another tip to follow is not to keep the MIC too close to too far away from your mouth and I think this is a common mistake by every one. Also, if one follows the beats of the table/drums and adjust the song comes out well

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