Topic started by Srikanth (@ passport.proxy.lucent.com) on Mon Sep 15 10:23:15 EDT 1997.
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Any new album by A. R. Rahman generates lot of buzz. Share some of it here. Review, discuss or comment on ARR's new albums.
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- From: Genius (@ srirama.intecom.com)
on: Tue Mar 28 18:22:21 EST 2000
Chandy,
Possibly.. not very sure!!
but something makes me think this way.
when they have bought the songs scored for someother movie, they would probably be buying the story of the same movie, which makes their life easier.
if the "originals" done sell it to them, they would care a hoot, and make the same story without buying it.
Noone can do anything about it!!!
- From: ECHO (@ t3-d-static-237.adsl.directlink.net)
on: Tue Mar 28 18:50:59 EST 2000
One gang picturizes first and make songs then, another gang have the song and going to make scene accordingly... another gang of brothers sells stolen products ... TFM's fate.... :)) RIDICULOUS
- From: Swami (@ proxy2.ericy.com)
on: Tue Mar 28 19:09:34 EST 2000
Punnagai mannan, Salangai Oli, Unnal Mudiyum Thambi, Singara Velan, Thevar Magan...... Kamal I pity you.
- From: NOV (@ ptl-cache6.jaring.my)
on: Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 EST 2000
Chandy - a recent example is Jodi songs.
The tunes were originally composed for the Hindi version of Kaadhalukku Mariyaadhai. Producer of Jodi "bought" the tunes outright and spun a story revolving them.
Besides that, ARR had nothing to do with Jodi. In fact who the MD for Oru poiyavathu sol kanney (an addition) is still a mystery.
Nothing wrong with this actually.
After all changes are the only things constant in life. :-))
- From: kiru (@ surf0004.sybase.com)
on: Tue Mar 28 22:48:50 EST 2000
I guess they bought only the tunes. So one can write lyrics to go with the movie. Right ?
BTW, Hollywood movies sometimes use Audiotracks already released.
- From: Gurumuni (@ 208.0.121.41)
on: Tue Mar 28 23:03:04 EST 2000
Auditracks more or less ie., what Rahman uses for his songs. Our producers instead going to original they get a copy from a copy. :)
- From: Gurumuni (@ 208.0.121.41)
on: Tue Mar 28 23:03:21 EST 2000
Auditracks more or less ie., what Rahman uses for his songs. Our producers instead of going to original they get a copy from a copy. :)
- From: Shankar (@ wwwgate1.motorola.com)
on: Tue Mar 28 23:27:37 EST 2000
Chandy,
This has happened more than once before. For one, When kovai thambi wanted to make a movie with Raja as the MD after the huge success of payaNangaL mudivathillai, he asked Raja to compose the songs and Raja came up with 9 wonderful numbers and recorded them. Once the songs were done, kovai thambi asked an assistant of R Sunderrajan (his name was some Ravi )to write a story connecting these songs.
He wasn't happy with the story and gave another guy a chance and this time he was happy with the story that was woven around the songs. The director was maNivaNNan and the movie was iLamai kOlangaL (IramAna rOjAvE, pAdavandhodhOr rAgam, and others....).
- From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu)
on: Wed Mar 29 00:27:54 EST 2000
Shankar, NOV..
Thanks for the info.. Shankar, the info about iLamai kOlangaL was interesting. I always thought that MDs need to be given the situation and the context to get a tune that would suit the context.
NOV, Jodi was again one mixed love masala - simple love story, so the situations arent very dissimilar - nothing very different contextually from kadalukku mariyadhai / dholi sajaa ke rakna.
So it would have been easy to fit the songs and the scenes. But Shankar's info about ilamai kolangal is intriguing... A complete movie spun around some core songs is more challenging, unusual and rare!
Kiru, I thought - buying of tunes would imply buying the songs with lyrics intact. If lyrics are going to be changed, the entire recording will have to be done again - and thats precisly what these guys are trying to avoid by buying the tunes.
chandy
- From: Sabesan (@ ws-209-233-228-254.webvangroup.com)
on: Wed Mar 29 01:33:51 EST 2000
hmmm..... one more movie like that..... not sure what the movie name was.... but have u heard this song by IR - 'sollai pushpangalee, en sogaam sollungaleen' by PSuseela and Gangai Amaran.... this also was for some 'Ommai Veiyil' movie, which was never produced.... but then all the songs of this movie was used in some other movie (some Murali movie).....
- From: Shankar (@ wwwgate1.motorola.com)
on: Wed Mar 29 04:07:09 EST 2000
sabesan,
thanks for pointing that out...."ingEyum oru gangai" in that movie.
- From: Shankar (@ wwwgate1.motorola.com)
on: Wed Mar 29 04:09:21 EST 2000
Chandy,
That was a difficult task indeed and that's the reason why the movie had a lousy storyline :-)
The movie was a big hit only bcos of the songs.
This whole thing was told by kOvai thambi in one of his interviews in SUN TV almost an yr back.
- From: Shankar (@ wwwgate1.motorola.com)
on: Wed Mar 29 04:10:26 EST 2000
"ingEyum oru gangai" is that movie (i had written " in that movie" )
- From: Balaji (@ 203.197.209.31)
on: Wed Mar 29 11:41:12 EST 2000
U can order Kandukondain Kandukondain cassette and cd at Fabmart.com
- From: Ganesh Deivasikhamani (@ 134.113.200.35)
on: Wed Mar 29 13:53:53 EST 2000
Dear Friends
Sometime back I saw a opinion poll in TFM about ARR making it big in the World level. I think lot of guys out of prejudice and ego said he wouldnt.
But I think he will, looking at the World Music scene now lot of our folks doesnt understand the term Western Music,they defaulted it to only pop
but in reality there so much of division like Classical,Alternative,Hiphop,Rock(further div),POP,JAZZ and so on. Now our man ARR fits in the category of International Music or World Music where it is freeway of mixing different music together and for a person who have been listening to such kind of music for years like Jai Uttal,Krishna Das,L Shankar I am 100% sure his music is going to be a super hit,many of american friends were impressed with his music. As such present trend here really sucks not much of variety I mean in pop and rock so ARR will sure be a sensation!!
So what do you guys think?
Ganesh
- From: aruvi (@ dax16.slip.yorku.ca)
on: Wed Mar 29 14:05:59 EST 2000
No one can predict what can happen in the future. But as far as guesses go, ARR may work click in some sections of Western music. I don't know if he could click with the popular music lovers. That is, with teens of the West. Here, a person's skills is the last requirement for success.
- From: ECHO (@ t3-d-static-237.adsl.directlink.net)
on: Wed Mar 29 14:35:24 EST 2000
ARR goes to west... its like Ramar Pillai gives demo to IIT ppl... ROFL :)))
- From: Genius (@ srirama.intecom.com)
on: Wed Mar 29 18:45:31 EST 2000
Echo:
ROTFL :-)))))))))))))))
- From: NOV (@ ptl-cache6.jaring.my)
on: Wed Mar 29 19:56:51 EST 2000
Aruvi - No one can predict what can happen in the future
Who said so? I predicted the above two reactions, not so long ago. :-))
And IF (that's a big if) ARR gets or gets nominated for an Oscar, I too can accurately predict the reaction here. Wanna bet? :-))))))))))))))))))
- From: aruLaracan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu)
on: Wed Mar 29 21:10:51 EST 2000
Nov,
you mean grammy, right? (btw, why long time no hear?)
- From: NOV (@ ptl-cache6.jaring.my)
on: Wed Mar 29 21:33:28 EST 2000
aruLaracan - Wait, I'll try calling you now. :-))
- From: Thathuvavaathi (alias) Venky - from Chennai (@ 203.197.139.21)
on: Fri Mar 31 04:39:54 EST 2000
Met AR Rahman at his home !!
Details & photos later...
- From: appa (@ 193.50.180.117)
on: Mon Apr 3 05:24:42 EDT 2000
enna appa enna acchu
- From: Raghupathy (@ alcplx.alcatel.be)
on: Mon Apr 3 07:55:00 EDT 2000
hi guys ARR will surely be a hit in the west , just for the simple reason that he will easily copy the hit indian songs and do some western make up he will present it the whole world is going to say wow
- From: Shashi (@ eed02976.mayo.edu)
on: Mon Apr 3 10:54:21 EDT 2000
Hi everybody
A detailed review of Kandukondain Kandukondains music has been long due. Sorry for the delay and here it is.
Music review of Kandukondain Kandukondain
Music: AR Rahman
Lyrics: Vairamuthu; Subramanya Bharathi
Direction: Rajeev Menon
Song 1: Enna solla Pogirai by Shankar Mahadevan--Starts with a recitation
prelude by Shankar only to be followed by the main theme instruments--namely
the bass and harmonium/accordion type instrument. This instrument is one of
the highlights of this song, although the original idea was conceived by
ARR in Dilse (Satarangi Re); even the bass movements have been heard before
in the song 'Kadhalenum thervezhudi..' (Kadhalar Dhinam). These have been
more fully explored in this song. The rhythm has a folkish touch with claps
added.The pallavi is simple and folkish with good vocal ambiance overlap.
However the pallavi itself is composed in ARR's favorite scale (hence comes
close to repetition). The first interlude starts with the flute (Naveen) playing
a beautiful piece in raga 'mukhari' as the rhythm stops (but the claps continue)
Later a feel of raga 'Bhairavi' arises only briefly as it changes into the
usual cinematic feel leading to the charanam. This is more imaginative than
the pallavi and has sweet acoustic guitar followups early and rhythm/flute
followups later.The pallavi repeats here with the flute playing the entire
melody along with the singer (needs careful listening). The 2nd interlude starts
with awonderful string orchestra section changing the whole mood of the song.
Gradually it fades into the folkish harmonium in the background augmented
by the Egyptian tablas before the 2nd charanam, which is a repeat of the 1st
charanam with good rhythm guitar use. The pallavi repeats for the last time
with good string followup now. Shankar's voice shows strain when he sings
'Enna solla..' at the higher octave (the very last line).
Song rating: 7/10 (mainly for the interludes, charanam and followups)
Song 2: Smaiyae.. by Devan, Clinton & Dominique--Starts with a good vocal
harmony followed by voice rhythm (modern konakhol) joined by conventional
rhythm box, bass and a good synth guitar which plays some wonderful followups
for the creatively composed pallavi, which is extremely catchy. The first
interlude begins with guitar strumming followed by rhythm variations. A
terrific voice & tenor sax leads us to the charanam which once again is quite
catchy with good use of vocal harmony. The 2nd interlude has a rhythm sample
which was heard in 'Jungle may koyal...' (Taal)--the least imaginative portion
of the song. The 2nd charanam mirrors the 1st with additional rhythm variations
and leads to a scale change when the pallavi repeats. This is smooth and also
some more excellent voice backups are heard as the song rolls to an end.
Song rating: 8.5/10
Song 3: Kannamoochi.. by Chitra--Starts with her solo voice but soon embellished
by amazing synth/bass/harp(Seenu)/chord movements. The flow of the pallavi gets even
more imaginative with quite unexpected transitions with tabla addition &
bass slides. Also excellent support by strings are provided for this wonderful
composition in raga Natakurinji. The 1st interlude begins with the rhythm
& synth from the pallavi are continued but meets a fabulous violin (Sriram
Parasuram) playing a wonderful piece with good echo overlaps/recording. The
1st charanam once again flows well with the rhythm. Chitra gets full marks
for short but delicately handled alaps. Once again the transition at the end
of the charanam with tablas (as in pallavi) is beautiful; pallavi repeats here
but listen to Chitra's improvisation of the line 'Kannamoochi' (starts from
the lower octave)--hats off! The 2nd interlude starts with the continuing
rhythm accosted this time by a wonderful sitar (Niladhri). Amazing runs on
the sitar (fast brighas) follow only to be gently comforted by Srirams violin
which leads to the 2nd charanam. This closely mirrors the 1st charanam with
some more alap improvisations. Finally the pallavi repeats and fades to a
finale.
Song rating 9.5/10
Song 4: Suttum vizhi.. by Hariharan--Synth/strings/ambiance effects constitute
the background of this rhythmless rendition of Subramanya Bharathi's classic
poem. Hariharan executes his role to perfection! The whole piece is composed
in a mixture of raga 'Saranga' and 'Hamsanandhi'. Hindustani musicians will
recognize the ragas 'Basant' and 'Sohni'. Note these ambient background effects-
-the synth twinkles around the word 'Natshathirangal' (stars) and the chirping
birds around the line 'kuyilin inimai-yadi'. Not to forget the wonderful
single bell chime (at the pause) before the line 'kanathil mutham ondru',
reminds
one of the gentle peck of lips on a cheek.
Song rating 9.5/10
Song 5: Konjum Mainakale..by Sadhana Sargam--Starts with a catchy vocal hum
as preludes with gradual addition of rhythm leading to the pallavi. This is
sung sweetly by Sadhana and has good bass guitar followups in areas. Also good
use of 'talking drum' (like urumi melam), tight 'African drums' (once again
previously heard in Taal) and wonderful voice backups. The 1st interlude
starts with vocal backgrounds and a lead guitar. A flute joins later playing
a simple folkish melody leading to the charanam. This is fresh and once again
the talking drum peeps periodically. Also some wonderful bass guitar followups
are heard. Pallavi repeats followed by the 2nd interlude where the flute
picks up the melody piece along with rhythm improvisations and a simple synth
piece. The 2nd charanam follows, which is similar to the 1st charanam. Once
again listen to the bass folloup after the 1st line of the 2nd charanam-wow! Pallavi
repeats for the last time with more rhythm additions and fades. Sadhana's
pronounciation is overall good but could be improved in areas.
Song rating 8.5/10
Song 6: Kannamoochi..by Chitra & KJY--The duet version of song 3 gives a good
perspective as to how a combination of voices brings out greater beauty in an
already wonderful composition. The strength & range/capability of KJY combined
with a flawless rendition of small alaps in Natakurinji, not to mention the
consumate ease in which KJY sails thru his portion is simply amazing. This
song is however abbreviated to only the 1st interlude and 1st charanam. Yet
even in this short time perfection is easily recognized.
Song rating 10/10
Song 7: Yengae enathu kavithai--Excellent prelude by rhythm on thavil/rhythm
box, bass & high tinny synth notes combined with Srinivas/chorus voice. Good
chord movements leads to the pallavi in which Chitra shines as a majestic
SindhuBhairavi is presented in all its grandeur. There is good bass/synth
background effects with appropriate use of 'sympathetic strings' (plays the
arohanam/avarohanam in a santoor like fashion). The thavil/rhythm/bass continues
into the 1st interlude only to be joined by female vocal chorus singing
'[(SN3D1P-M1PD1N3)X3, N3R2G3R2G3R2SN3]' swaras or raga 'sarasangi'. The 1st
charanam starts of in Sarasangi but touches M2 of the higher octave giving
the feel of raga Latangi. But quickly it changes into the notes SN2D1P on
its descent coming back to SindhuBhairavi. This charanam is very creatively
composed by ARR. The prelude to pallavi and pallavi itself repeats once more
before the 2nd interlude. The 2nd interlude is a giant of its own! It surprises
with an unexpected use of Nadaswaram playing the notes of Kalyani. Incidentaly
Kalyani and Latangi are similar except for D1 which is not shown till the very
end of this interlude. Gave me goosebumps when I heard this excellent piece
for the 1st time. The 2nd charanam is similar to the 1st but with more
imaginative alaps by Srinivas and pauses at its crescendo before the pallavi
is repeated. I would also not be complete if I fail to mention the good
use of Mridangam in the charanams and the pallavi during its last repetition.
The song closes with female voice chorus singing the notes of Kirawani
(R2G2M1PD1N3S). Once again a complex composition and Chitra does full justice
to the melody line.
Song rating 10/10
Song 8: Kandukondain Kandukondain.. by Hariharan & Mahalaxmi--Prelude to
this song is on acoustic guitars played in a 'picking' style lead. This forms
the central theme for this song. Hariharan introduces the pallavi with
panache (a Nalinakanthi/Kathanakuthukulam like feel to the notes on C major
scale). The central theme is joined by the flute and an interesting 'alarm
clock' like rhythm provide backups for the pallavi. Also superb guitar
backups and an equally spirited singing by Mahalaxmi elevates this pallavi
to great heights. Interesting use of strings and cymbals are also heard in
the background. The 1st interlude continues with the rhythm and synth only
to be joined by synth string orchestra. A wonderful bass flute (Naveen) piece
similar to a piece in 'Kulirudhu..' (Tajmahal) is heard. Strings leads us to
the 1st charanam which Mahalaxmi starts with simple rhythm followup for the
1st line. But 'tabla-rang' follows for the 2nd line. As Hariharan breaks in
the entire string section follows giving a rich feel. The last lines of the
charanam are imaginatively composed with good flute/bass backups. Pallavi
repeats with interesting chord progression. The string section returns with
the start of the 2nd interlude with amazing Western Classical type progressions.
As the flute joins the section a more classical indian touch is added and
it eventually breaks with vocal/string lead to the central theme of the song.
The 2nd charanam has Hariharan leading but with even better bass backups.
The pallavi is repeated at the end with the leading line repeated in a staggered
fashion with overlap and the central theme on the acoustic guitars taking the
song to a close. Wonderful performance by everybody involved in this song.
Song rating 10/10
Overall album rating 9.1
Final comments: One of the best efforts of ARR after 1947-Earth. All songs
are imaginatively composed and wonderful use of acoustic & synth instruments.
A must own album for all music fans. I would not be surprised if this album
won state/national awards.
Album Credits:
Flute: Naveen
Bass Guitar: Keith Peters
Guitars: Kabuli, Rupert, John Themis
Solo Violin: Sriram Parasuram
Sitar: Niladhri
Harp: Seenu
Harmony: Ganga, Kanchana, Febi, Sujatha, Naveen
Orchestra Conducted by : Srinivasamoorthy
Additional Programming: H. Sridhar
Rhythm Programming:
Kandukondain: Yak Bondy
Smiyai: Praveen Mani
Kannamoochchi: Ranjit Barot
- From: BJ (@ erchg00x.nortelnetworks.com)
on: Mon Apr 3 12:48:27 EDT 2000
Hope all ARR bashers are listening.
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