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Rahman Bashers

Topic started by Arun (@ internet1.ford.com) on Wed Jun 25 12:54:08 EDT 1997.
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• From: Srinath (@ ss02.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Thu Dec 10 11:17:19 EST 1998
  
  Srikanth:
  All the songs in MK are good - by a certain standard. But I wouldn't compare them with ARR's first few numbers. Personally, I found Vennilave the best of the lot. But when I listened to it last, I wondered what had attracted me to it in the first place. A lot of ARR's songs have a very short life span - that cannot be blamed on people's tastes - even I don't listen to them after a while and I am the kind of person who can listen to a song 100 times continuously if I like it. As a matter of fact, within a few days I used up three sets of batteries on my walkman listening to MK and Ullasam alone ! However beautiful and complex MSV's melodies may have been they lacked the multi-dimensional feel that IR's best songs have. This is not to deprive MSV of any credit - I am only trying to say that I found more of music (not in terms of quantity alone) in IR's songs. Again, I really cannot counter you if you say that you found 'more' music in MSV - you probably know best why you like MSV and ARR as much as IR. Similarly, I know precisely why I like IR more than MSV or ARR !
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.16) on: Thu Dec 10 14:17:09 EST 1998
  
  Srinath, Muniandi & other IR rasigargalae,
  
  This time we can see how ARR fans responded and how IR fans responded.
  ARR fans were appreciating and defending the quality of their favourite alone and not
  bashing IR. But, at the same time, IR fans were always saying things like this, "the worst
  song in Dalapathy is better than the best song by ARR" or similar stuff like this.
  I didn't say 'Dalapathy' was poor and all. When compared to songs in "Johny", "Ninaivellam
  Nithya","Mouna Raagam" and all, it is nothing. "Raakkamma" may be a good song and it can
  have a wonderful orchestration, but how many people remember it now? But still, the old
  melodies and IR songs in the early and mid 80s are sweet to our ears. All the songs in
  "Muthu" were not bad. "Oruvan oruvan mudhalaali..." song evvalavu famous appadingiradhu
  1996 election timela enga Tamil Nadu poi irundheengannaal theriyum. No matter, whether it
  had wonderful orchestration or not, whether it had wonderful melody or not, it was accepted
  and liked by people. That's all. "Kuluvaalilae" kaettu vaandhi varudhunnu sonnaal appo MSV
  songs siladhayum IR songs siladhayum kaettaalum kooda dhaan vaandhi varum. Adhu ellam aazha
  poruthadhu.
  
  Whatever anyone says, again, I repeat, each person will feel his favourite as
  the best. Even if an IR fan says 10000000000000000 times that IR is better than ARR or
  vice versa, the other won't accept. Again, if a young MD is accepted and liked by people,
  why don't you encourage him, instead of simply saying that he is not as good as IR?
  It requires some time to call a person as genius. If an MD has the same quality in his
  music, as he or she had 10 years before (like IR), then he is a 'genius'. Eduthavudanae
  arpudhamaana songs and music kuduthuttu konja naalla kaanaama poravangala ellam 'genius'
  appadinnu yethukka mudiyumaa sollunga? And ARR has achived a lot in the music arena in the
  last 8 years.
  
  Muniaandi, Rajnikanth is not an insane person to ask some useless MD to
  compose music for his film, which whole of Tamilnadu is eagerly expecting. Think twice
  before passing such comments. "Kuluvaalilae" paattula ARR used UN. He tried something
  different. Even Rajni had accepted it. If Rajni had wanted SPB to sing that song he could
  have very well told ARR and ARR would have definitely accepted it. They tried something
  new. What's wrong in that? You should appreciate ARR for taking that bold step, which
  even many of the most experienced MDs would have not taken.
  
  "Duet" is a wonderful album. The opening sax piece was too good to be
  compared to that of any IR music piece. The songs "Anjali... Anjali" (although there were
  some 'not-so-good' music pieces in the middle of the song, as Srinath had rightly pointed out,
  they were not very irritating and all),"En kaadhalae" are too good. Pudikka koodaadhu
  appadinnu ninachaa pudikkaadhu. Thalaivar stylela sollanumnaa, "Pudikkanumnu ninaikkiradhu
  pudikkaama irukkaadhu, pudikka koodaadhunnu ninaikkiradhu pudikkaadhu". So, we can sum it
  up like this.
  
  MSV <==> Pattukottai Kalyaanasundaram
  IR <==> Kannadasan
  ARR <==> VM
  
  Is that ok? Or if you guys feel that IR has achieved much much more than
  what the late Kannadasan has achieved (Even IR won't accept it!!!), and if you feel it is an
  insult to compare IR with Kannadasan, you can call him Mozart or Beethoven or whatever!!!
  Again, another controversy will start and all of us will keep fighting.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss06.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Thu Dec 10 14:44:50 EST 1998
  
  "Duet" is a wonderful album. The opening sax piece was too good to be compared to that of any IR music piece.
  
  On what basis are you accusing IR fans of saying that ARR is not as good as IR even when you make statements like the one above ?
  
  I already mentioned the reason why I inlcuded Dalapathy in my list. Muthu or Oruvan Oruvan (which begins with a kaatu kaththal by SPB - only ARr can succssfully make SPB sound bad !) are not responsible for the election results. Rajnikanth's persona was (and if you are the kind of person who voted based on Rajni's theaterics, I doubt if I should even bother to argue with you !!!). The lyrics of the song were responsible. The beat was pacy and the tune was catchy. But it is by NO stretch of the imagination a great song. No singer under MSV or IR has ever murdered Tamizh like Udit Narayanan. Do you know what he sang ?
  
  "Koluaaleele motto marrandhaalo.
  Taathi taathi vaado tharondalo.
  Then kOdeeka neram vaandaalo.
  Devode ko vokam vondaalo.
  Motho vando moto koduthaalo.
  Povokolo poyol aditolo..."
  
  Idhu Tamizha ? Vera yaaravadhu ippadi Tamizha saavadichirupaangala ? Indha paatu Rajniukku pudicha yenna pudikilana yennakku yenna ? Idha ippa kaettalum vaandhi thaan varudhu !
  
  Gimmick ellaam poi naan eppadi oru 'brave step'nu yethukka mudiyum ?
  
  Rajni is not an insane person to ask some useless Md. In fact, he is most sensible to ask the most saleable MD.
  
  Shanmugam, I think you are a pretty late entrant to the TFM-DF. Don't mistake me, I have been actively participating only since the middle of this year. But I simply detest your observation that ARR fans (with a halo over their heads) are only praising ARR but IR fans (with the horns) are bashing ARR. Your views are so lopsided that you can't even see the other side ! You end up twisting words to form a sentence like "the worst song in Dalapathy is better than the best song by ARR". Fact of the matter is there are no bad songs in Dalapathy. I regret having taken you seriously for even a brief moment !
  
  
• From: rajiv (@ englab-272.umd.edu) on: Thu Dec 10 14:47:41 EST 1998
  
  srinath:
  you are absolutely right about the short life-span of rahman songs.. ive observed it too..
  
  ive been trying for a long time now to figure out the reason why this happens. i think the most probable reason is that rahman tries to make his songs 'over sweet' if you know what i mean..
  
  rajiv
  
  
• From: ganesh (@ whq-ns.wizcom.com) on: Thu Dec 10 16:49:57 EST 1998
  
  Hi guys
  I listen to IR music .. i love them..and i'm also waiting for the next ARR album ......
  I feel ARR is as great as IR in different aspects of music .. First of all comparing them is like comparing Benhur to Titanic .......
  and those who are saying ARR's music has a short life span ...sorry I don't think so ..
  when you keep on listening to the same songs you get bored after sometime , this is natural for every song ...I still remember when chinna thambi was released .. in my hostel every room the same song..after a month that's it ...if anyone touches that cassette .. we'll kill himm...though now i am listening to it again ..
  more over
  Out of 600(or 700) ..movies of IR how many movies do we remember (not in anyway trying to underrate him ) ......But i think everyone can tell all the movies by ARR ...very few ..right but in a span of 7 years ...but still you remember all of them ??
  
  " raakamma ...i cannot ever imagine ARR coming up with such an orchestrated song "
  the same way as nobody has ever used such pure bass and percussions in tamil songs as ARR ......
  so don't expect the same ....
  so it's not good to say why he didn't compose this type of song .. rather find what's missing in his song now ....that would be a better way of analysing
  
  " adi aathadi...ila manasonnu rekkai katti.... "
  when i listen to this song i say .. no one would ever compose a song like that then i listen to
  " ennai kana villyae netrodu ..engum thedi parkiren katrodu ... "
  and i say the same thing again ...
  and i think most of you agree to this..
  ganesh
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.16) on: Thu Dec 10 17:18:18 EST 1998
  
  Srinath,
  
  I too regret for taking you too seriously for a very brief moment. I didn't want to twist the words. I went through the archive and saw one such statement, although it was not specific to Dalapathy. You are being very biased and you are not able to see the other side. I like MSV, IR as well as ARR. Not that I am a crazy ARR fan or IR fan. I like good music. And, that's it. I just wanted to say that ARR is also a talented musician. IR is a genius. And, I don't want to compare any MD with another. Since, you are doing it again, I too feel that you are being biased and if so, I too feel that I am wasting my time arguing with you.
  
  Another thing, I am mature enough to vote on my own and not to vote just because Rajni or someone told people to vote for a particular person or a party. So, even if you bother to argue with me or not, I'm not worried.
  
  I just wanted to say, stop these stupid bashing for such comparisons.
  
  
• From: karthik (@ 207.78.88.252) on: Thu Dec 10 17:33:22 EST 1998
  
  Is'nt it ironic that IR who composes songs at a tremendous pace is yet to release his symphony composed 4 years ago!
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.16) on: Thu Dec 10 17:47:03 EST 1998
  
  Ganesh,
  
  I fully agree with you. What we need is good music - and we don't bother if it comes from MSV or IR or ARR or whoever is the MD. This is what I am saying from the start and some people (be it ARR fans or IR fans) are not able to understand.
  
  Srinath,
  
  I didn't mean that the song "oruvan...oruvan"
  was responsible for the election result. It was a big success at that time. That was what I wanted to say.
  
  I too agree that there were no bad songs in "Dalapathy". I just meant relatively bad (or I shouldn't have used the word "bad" - I should have written "less better"). "Putham puthu poo" and "Maargazhidhaan" were not as good when compared to other songs in that film.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 209-146-177.ipt.aol.com) on: Thu Dec 10 21:32:03 EST 1998
  
  Shanmugam: Almost every regular DFer has been through this IR vs ARR controversy at one time or the other. After prolonged debate there appeared to be a consensual decision to keep off such attacks. All of a sudden you barged in from God knows where and raked up the issue all over again. In the first place, nobody was sitting here waiting for your upadesams, which you went around distributing. Nobody was even talking about ARR and IR together. Atleast they were not being discussed with such intensity. You went into the archives (which you should have done before starting repetitive topics) looked at some crazed anti-ARR statements and decided that you would dispense justice - yevan kaettaan ? Of all the DFers only you and ganesh have managed to provoke me so much with your self-righteous, unwanted advice. Go back and check the archives.
  
  Listen mister - you and ganesh are not needed to balance things around here. Get it ? There are as many ARR fanatics as IR fanatics around in the DF. There have ben so many arguments from so many people - objectivists, fascists, nazis, tom, d_ck,
  harry...everybody. But no one picked out random statements from the archives and put on this halo around their head - reconstructed a Frankenstein from a dead topic and paraded it around. Do you know how many times the statement "don't compare artists" has been used in the DF ? Do you think you are the first person to say this ? Do you think you are some prophet who has been told the truth and has come down to DF to spread the good word ? You couldn't be more mistaken. I can understand that I've hurt your pride. But the tragedy of errors was started by YOU. Now leave me in peace. I don't wish to discuss this with you any further. Adieu.
  
  

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