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SA Rajkumar - Aadityan - Vidyasagar

Topic started by Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on Tue Feb 20 22:40:44 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Without involving ARR/IR/Deva, I wanted to understand why Adityan and Vidyasagar sank without a trace while SAR is reigning supreme?

Yes, Vidyasagar is doing exceptionally well in Malayalam as he was doing in telugu a few years ago. But in tamil, he's merely an occasional coincidence! Adityan did start pretty well with some okay songs in Asuran, Seevalaperi Paandi, Amaran and so on.

Both VS and Adityan were a bit more dependant on the synth side of music, while SAR was much more earthy, albeit, terribly repetitive coupled with heavy duty copying (the song from Sirf Tum 'pehli pehli baar' and from Daag the fire 'dil deewana na jaane' were already sounding ridiculously similar, while SAR lifted one/both of them for the Vaanathai Pola song 'engal veettil ella naalum'....gawd!).

I personally feel its mailny due to Vikraman, the director, who has taken SAR's side right from his first movie. He strayed just twice with ARR (Pudiya Mannargal) and a few movies with sirpi (I think naan pesa ninaipathellam and gokulam). But he has been the man behind some the biggest hits of the last decade with probably the most enviable track record for any tamil director. His movies are extremely simple with lots of feel good factor. NO wonder his movies do so damn well even in telugu and kannada (case in point vaanathai pola's remade versions in telugu and kannada).

Did VS and Adityan lose the race because they didnt have a Vikaraman-like director's backing? Adityan, to some extent had K Rajeshwar's backing while VS, to some extent had Arjun's backing. But K Rajeshwar's career itself was heading nowhere, while ARjun did more outside projects than concentrating on his direction.

What say you?

--Karthik

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Responses:

• From: kk (@ 172.175.34.9) on: Tue Feb 20 23:57:50 EST 2001
  
  I think SAR wont last long, He will go sirpi way.
  Though sirpi was copying plenty like SAR, his arrangement and sound went stale. Even though you copy, you should show some style in it like Deva. As SAR is geting stale already, he will vanish soon.
  
  VS is talented, if he is given one or two good movies he can come back anyday.
  
  For athiyan, its blink. No takers left for him.
  
  With YSR and new ARR assistant turned MDs around there is no much future for these old horses.
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Wed Feb 21 01:58:39 EST 2001
  
  I agree kk. I think Harris could go a long way but again its too early to predict. On VS, I had heard his malayalam songs and wonder why he never composes that well for tamil movies! Lack of good scripts???
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Tue Feb 27 07:31:03 EST 2001
  
  Vidyasagar's Snehithiye was very well received in Tamil and Malayalam, recently. So whats really holding back VS from getting into the big league in tamil?
  
  He is making a re entry into Telugu...saw his name as MD in the new movie directed by Chakravarthy, Suri. Decent music.
  
  And I still remember my awe when I listened to Adityan's 'oh vaanmathi' number from Asuran. Incredible song. I remember he had also composed a new version of some traditional song (was it 'thayin manikodi paareer' for e tv channel...jaya TV?) which was very impressive too. So where are these two? Adityan I can understand, might be having a haircut, but VS??
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Tue Feb 27 09:37:41 EST 2001
  
  Main reason for SAR's survival might be doing movies for Super Good films. RBChoudry-SAR don't leave each other. People can throw some light on it. "JAADIKETTHA MOODI" kind of attachment. Even if one movie is a flop for SAR, he gets a chance to prove his "talent" in the next. If the next movie runs good then he gets few other movies from other producers. The "chain reaction" continues till date. I donno whether other MD's have this kind of agreement!
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Tue Feb 27 11:27:24 EST 2001
  
  Is chandiranE sooriyanE in Amaran by Adityan ? It sounds exactly like an IR song..
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.203.137) on: Tue Feb 27 12:28:40 EST 2001
  
  Some IR fans doesnt want any MD to prosper except for Raja this is not nice,pavam let SAR also make some money,if you guys are talented and have skills why not each of you try to make it
  afterall its not like old days now anyone can do anything acting scoring music everything depends on how well you market urself and have a tiny teeny amount of talent, look at SAR does he not doing well poor man he has one solid tune and he is talented in presenting it in many ways!!
  Thank God we have now Harris,YSR,Praveen Mani
  sorry couldnt include KR in this he has to go a long way before he can join this elite team
  atleast thats what Kumudam says about his music
  his last 2 albums are so disappointing while YSR is making progress by each album KR is doing the opposite looks like IR=YSR and Gangai Amaran=KR ?
  
  
• From: doubter (@ 208.142.210.36) on: Tue Feb 27 12:34:42 EST 2001
  
  Gone are the days when the MD was staying popular even if the movies bombed. Nowadays, the songs are hit only if the movie is a hit. There are exceptions, of course. So I think SAR is giving hits because the movies are a hit themselves. I tend to agree with Karthik.
  
  After a couple of hits like chi.poo.me.pEsu and puthu vasantham, SAR went into hibernation. This was because Vikraman was not using him. Vikraman's movies were also flopping big time.
  
  suddenly they teamed again for poovE unakkaaga and after that it has been a success story for both. So SAR's 'success' is ENTIRELY because the movies become a hit.
  
  VS and Audithyan have been unlucky in this regard.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Tue Feb 27 13:03:51 EST 2001
  
  
  Maybe, SAR's single tune is too good that it is going to last for a long time.Can someone(musically knowledgeable) dissect his single tune and explain what is so great(if it is) about it?
  
  Anyday,VidyaSaagar's "Malare" from Karnaa and Aadityan's "Vasandhame arugil vaa" from Amaran are way beyond any of SAR's work IMO.
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 64.133.24.5) on: Thu Mar 1 09:54:28 EST 2001
  
  trend,
  :-) :-) ur comment abt SAR is ultimate..
  my opinion is, of all the three Vidyasagar is good and terribly unlucky in tamil..
  his malayalam songs are very big hits there...particularly "pranayavarnangal" songs are really nice..i cant figure out why he failed in tamil..may be ARR's magic have overshadowed his songs..
  
  
• From: jusa (@ ) on: Fri Oct 11 11:26:27 EDT 2002
  
  peeps may be ya ...i am a mallu so i listens to vidyas albums ...the best thing abt it is he has given a lot of good songs to mallu ..so he is very much appricated in kerala..i wonder why he couldn't get mushc in tamil...i tried to listen to his tamil songs he some of them are awsome ...karna,nilave vaa,arasiyal,priyam,uyirodu uyirga etc ..all are worth to listen ..and karna has been appriciated by tamils ....so is it arr overshadowed him..maybe.but the best thing abt him is he is highly talended..one of my friend who is a singer in mallu and he is emerging in tamil,telugu said tht vs is an awsome composer...in mallu music directors lacks on variety ...only reveendran md has been keeping up with some thing ..but he has been repetitive also..from 1991-1995 s.p venkidesh came in to mallu and established but he couldn't longer bec he has given good songs tht were hits also but he just recycles his rythms and make songs..so the songs were repetitive...so he lost his chair..he still in mallu doing background scores..vidya came with fresh music ..he knows mallus taste ..his music is very different from others with fast and different back ground scores.and he has been appriciated by kerala government for one of the best musician in mallu...i mean he has given a lot of good songs and he has given bad songs too and average ones too..but we all forget bad songs when he comes with excellent ones..once he said he done several albums in telugu,malli,tamil ..the most appriciation came from mallu..and the people treated me as a good musician..so i own a lot to them..bec of this highly appriciation he said he'll work hard for to satisfy mallus..he even said to release an album ...he is getting a lot of offers from tamil after the success of run..hopefully he create some magic..he said he has the best hope on kamal&madhavns 'anpe shivam'..hopes bring some thing down..i think he is far better than deva,sar,sirpi,adiyathan etc..and one note adithyan might establish in mallu..i herad he is scoring music for a mallu movie recently...
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Fri Oct 11 12:37:02 EDT 2002
  
  wht peeps said is 100 % true..:-))
  jusa,
  Yeah..Mallu music lacks variety..same monotonous tabla beats,veenai,flute..slow melodies..based on carnatic..same voice of KJY,KSC,Sujatha..
  and that was a nice time that some new MD like Vidyasagar to enter MFM...and people started liking him..and his tamil and mallu music is different..i dont know whats the diff exactly..but in mallu he gives with that mallu touch..sysnthesised beats,good interludes and preludes..now he is the number one there..i dont know why he wants to try in tamil again..he can make a mark in mallu if he stays longer..
  in the last few years "allello pullello" was the biggest college hit..
  in tamil whn u compare to single tune SAR and no films Adityan he is far far original and talented IMHO..and he remade the "oru raathri kudi vida vaangavey" song from SIB to one arjun film in tamil..but that was not a big hit i think..
  He shud have remade "kannadi kudum kuuti" type of hip hop songs to tamil rather than hard core mallu melodies..
  
  
• From: kk (@ 192.11.187.113) on: Fri Oct 11 16:21:07 EDT 2002
  
  "VS is talented, if he is given one or two good movies he can come back anyday."
  
  my guess worked!. kudos to me...
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Fri Oct 11 16:34:16 EDT 2002
  
  kk,
  Dont lie..That was a different kk.I know him well.IP's are also different.:-)
  
  
• From: kk (@ 192.11.187.113) on: Fri Oct 11 19:37:01 EDT 2002
  
  LLD,
  it long ago ..., I have changed places from then on man.
  
  
• From: purv (@ 205.231.151.251) on: Sun Oct 13 21:50:49 EDT 2002
  
  Y'know, at first I liked SAR's tunes... until I found out what sort of business he was really involved in! When I heard his 'Priyamanavale' album, I was shocked at the junk! (I cannot believe the album became a hit! What did you think of 'Welcome Girls' or 'June July Maathathil'?? After listening to either of these songs, only a crackhead would deem the album 'good,' let alone superb, IMHO)
  
  As for the other two guys, I have listened to Adhithayan's first album, 'Amaran.' Songs are all good. The 'Azhagoviyam' number from 'Roja Malare' is nice also. I haven't heard many other of Adhithayan's compositions though.
  Vidhyasagar? IMHO he is doing far better in MFM than TFM, in terms of both status AND quality. Take an example of Vedham (Tamil); just one or two fairly decent songs. Not the kind of material you'd opt to hear again and again. Compare it to Dhosth (Malayalam); it has some wonderful songs, esp. 'Kilipenne Nilaavin', 'Manju Peyyana', and 'Maya Praave.' These are some songs you'll want to hear various times. Furthermore, in MFM, the songs sound more genuine, whereas in TFM, the songs are for the most part heavily computerized and sound cheesy. It's all my opinion. Feel free to agree or disagree as you like. :-o
  
  
  
• From: Raaj (@ 203.167.235.190) on: Mon Oct 14 20:34:16 EDT 2002
  
  I am looking for the lyrics foR the song, O PONMANKUYIL from the movie MANASUKKUL MATTAPPU.
  It was an SA RAJKUMAR hit.. Good if any one can post it for me..
  
  
• From: Raaj (@ 203.167.235.190) on: Mon Oct 14 20:35:10 EDT 2002
  
  I am looking for the lyrics foR the song, O PONMANKUYIL from the movie MANASUKKUL MATTAPPU.
  It was an SA RAJKUMAR hit.. Good if any one can post it for me..
  
  

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