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Baarathidaasan

Topic started by Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Wed Feb 18 15:22:29 EST 1998.
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• From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Wed Feb 18 15:23:32 EST 1998
  
  Many of his songs have been used in films... I was just curious, has he written anything explicitly for films.
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Wed Feb 18 17:41:30 EST 1998
  
  In the first place can you list some songs used in movies? I can
  remember only sangE muzhangu, amudhukkum thamizhendRu pEr
  ( :-) ). What
  else?
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-ti01.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Feb 18 18:14:55 EST 1998
  
  Ravi:
  Yes, I'm quite sure he wrote lyrics for movies in his amudhukkum pErAna thamizh, when the drAvida kazhaga movement was at full force; don't know the songs though.
  
  Additions to aruLarasan's list:
  thunbam nErgaiyil yAzheduththu nee inbam sErkka mAttAyA--??
  chiththirach chOlaigaLE--nAn En piRandhEn
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tp06.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Feb 18 21:25:16 EST 1998
  
  Was the song Mannil indha kaadhal andri yaarum vaazhdhal koodumO was written by Bharadhidasan ?
  
  Kanchana:
  
  Is it amudhukkum pErAna thamizh or is it Thamizhukkum amudhendru paEr ??
  
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-tp05.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Feb 18 22:03:15 EST 1998
  
  Bhaskar:
  Bharadhidhasan ezhudhiyadhu thamizhukkum amudhendRu pEr. aruLarasan adhai arumaiyAga mAtRi (mElE) amudhukkum thamizhendRu pEr endRu ezhudhiyirukkiRAr. nAn quote seidhadhu aruLarasanai, Bharadhidhasanai alla.
  
  
• From: arvind (@ nhv-ct1-26.ix.netcom.com) on: Wed Feb 18 22:22:59 EST 1998
  
  mannil intha kadhal is written by pavalar varadha rajan, ilayaraja's brother.
  
  i am an ardent fan of bharathidaasan, his poems in plain thamizh(irunda veedu etc...) simply superb, even iam curious to know abut his film lyrics venture
  
  
• From: Pagalavan (@ bbn-cache-2.cisco.com) on: Thu Feb 19 01:31:22 EST 1998
  
  Kanchana
  
  thunbam nErgaiyil yaazh eduththu is from Or iravu
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Thu Feb 19 10:43:54 EST 1998
  
  hAh. How did I forget thunbam nErgayil yAzhedhuththu
  nI inbam sErkkA mAttAyA. What a great song. (An irrelevant info.
  One of my relatives who is an utter orthodox brAhmin goes into
  orgasmic delight whenever he listens to this song!!! Such is
  its beauty.)
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-ti04.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Feb 19 17:40:14 EST 1998
  
  Pags:
  thunbam nErgaiyil sounds like a song which Bharadhidhasan wrote specifically for the movie. Do you, by any chance, know if he was the lyricist for that movie? Thanks.
  
  
• From: gOpAl (@ 1cust200.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net) on: Thu Feb 19 17:53:04 EST 1998
  
  I just cannot forget the song
  "sAdhi malli poochcharamE
  sangaththamizh pAchcharamE......"
  
  great music by Maragadhamani and simple, melodious rendition by SPB the great.
  
  "yenadhu veedu yenadhu vAzhkai
  endru vAzhvadhu vAzhkaiyA
  irukkum nAlu suvarukkuLLE
  vAzha nee oru kaidhiyA
  dhEsam vEralla thAyum vEralla ondrudhAn
  thAyai kAppadhun nAttaikkAppadhum ondrudhAn
  kadugu pOl unmanam sirukkakkoodAdhu
  kadalaipOl virindhadhAi irukkattum
  kEttukO rAsAththi thamizh nAdAchchu
  indha nAttukku nAmAchchu......."
  
  enna varigaL?!!
  
  full pAttai post seyya Aasai, gynyAbam varalai, someone post?!
  
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ nas01ppp212.apts.wmich.edu) on: Thu Feb 19 20:05:20 EST 1998
  
  Gopal is this song by Bharathidasan???I think this was written by Pulamaipithan.
  
  The complete lyrics :
  
  jaadhi malli poocharamae
  sangathamizh paasaramae
  aasai enne aasaiadi
  avvalavu aasaidi
  ennnendru kannae ingu munnae vandhu kettukko
  kaadhalil undaagum sugam ippodhu marappom
  sangathamizh thondaatru adhai munnetru
  pinbu kattilil thaalattu
  
  enadhu veedu enadhu vazhvu
  endru vazhvadhu vazhkkaiya
  irukkum naangu suvarukkule
  vazhe nee enne kaidhiya
  desam verallae thaiyum verallae ondru dhan
  nattai kaapadhum thaiyai kaapadhum ondrudhan
  kadugu pol un manam irukkakoodadhu
  kadalai pol virindhadhai irukkattum
  unnai pol ellorum ........ ...
  
  
  ulagamellam unnum podhu
  naamum saapida ennuvom
  ulagamellaam sirikkum podhu
  naanum punnagai sindhuvom
  yaarum oorenne yaaru sonnadhu solladi
  paadum nalthamizh pattai thandhadu kanmani
  padikka than paadala ninaichu parthoma
  padichadhai ninaichu naam nadakkathaan
  ketukko rasathi thamizh naadachu indha nattukku naamachu
  
  jaadhi...
  
  
• From: Pagalavan (@ bbn-cache-2.cisco.com) on: Thu Feb 19 21:30:50 EST 1998
  
  Kanchana
  
  I am not sure if Barathithaasan wrote this for movie or his pre-written was used in the movie. I donot have his "thanippaadalgaL" here to check. Will let you know if I get any info.
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Fri Feb 20 11:15:37 EST 1998
  
  The above song has a lot of bhAradhidhAsan influence (ulaga
  otRumai) and no other connection to him, even though it is a
  good song.
  
  
• From: Manisekaran (@ wmu-52-181.tm.net.my) on: Fri Feb 20 12:29:43 EST 1998
  
  BARADIDASAN was at one time a full scale supporter and worker for Tamil films.Manikkodi writers started a film called RAMANUJAR for which Baradidasan wrote songs, especially under the request of the famous writer Va.Ra. This first film started by journalists was a flop. Then Baradidasan worked for the film called BALAMANI ALLATHU PAKKATH THIRUDAN.When the Self-Respecting? group(suyamariyathai)started the film KALAMEGAM, Baradidasan composed story, dialogue, and songs. Nadasvaran Rajarathinam Pillai also acted in this film. Then he worked for the Modern Theatre films SULOCHANA and SUBATHRA by contributing screenplay,dialogue and songs. He summarised the story of 1000 THALAI VANGIYA ABOORVA SINTHAMANI and wrote screenplay and dialogue. He earned criticism for using such themes containing unbelievable and superstitious story. Next he wrote dialogue for the film Unexpected Kiss-ETHIRPARATHA MUTHAM-which is originally his own Kappiyam. He also wrote dialogue and screenplay for Valayapathy where he entered into a fierce clash with MD S.Dachinamurhty for the song Kulungidum Poovilellam by TMS and K.Jamunarani(Hindi tune copied from the Hindi film MALHAR, song is Bade Arman by Mukesh and Latha)This is the film where Sowkar Janaki first acted as heroine. He tried to take a film out of Pandiyan Parisu, but never materialised.
  
  Compared to Barathiyar's songs, thers are fewer songs of Baradidasan in the Tamil Fims. Let me quickly identify a few:-
  1.Vennilavum Vaanum Poley-(Sollamangalam Rajalechumy)Kalyanam Panniyum Bramachari.
  2.Aadatkalayazhagu-(P.Leela and Ganasarasvathy) Naney Raja.
  3.Kathal Vazhviley-T.Mothi and P.Leela
  4.Aalayin Sangey Nee Oothayo-Rathakkanneer
  5.Thalai Vari Poochoody Unnai-Rangon Ratha
  6.Puthiyathor Ulagam Seivom-Chandrothayam
  7.Sangey Muzhangu-Kalangarai Vilakkam
  8.Chithira Cholaigaley-Naan En Piranthen
  9.Thamizhukkum Amuthendru Per-(PS.)-Panjavarnakkili
  10.Paadi Paadi(Chandrababu and K.Jamunarani)-Petra Manam
  11. Thunbam Nergayil Yaazh Eduthu Nee Inbam Serlkmattaya(MSRajeswary)-Or Iravu.
  12.Akkam Pakkam Yarumillai-(MSRajeswary)-Or Iravu
  
  IMPORTANT TO NOTE
  Baradidasan has written several songs for the films but went unrecorded as the records of those days do not bear the names of the song writes. Kulungidum Poovilellam is one that has been verified by an external source. Film companies do not acknowlege the song writers in many cases. The songs that he wrote for films are many. many songs are still under dispute as to who is exactly the writer. I saw the record bearing the name of Baradidasan for the song Ponmeny Katti Ennai INbathil Aazthuvan by Jikki. I have listed the fils he worked for. There are songs there written by him, but the records do not mention anything.
  
  NEWS
  Thunbam Nergayil is in Or Iravu where the MD is Sudarsanam. Buth this song was much earliersung by MM Dandapani Desigar in Kacherikal. AVM approached him to use the same tune in Or Iravu. Vennilavun Vaanum Poley was likewise sung by Desigar in Kacheris but Banthulu and P.Neelakandan who were co producers of thae film Kalyanam Panniyum Bramachari used the tune with permission.Many of CS Jayaraman's Kachery songs entered cinemas in this manner. He himslef was MD for Ratha Kanneer and Naam.
  
  1.30am-Aavi Nadamaadum Neram.Good Night/morning.
  
  
• From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com) on: Fri Feb 20 13:17:42 EST 1998
  
  Manisegaran:
  
  Neenga paattukku yedhaavadhu paattu gnaabagap padutthi vittu poyodareenga. Ippa ennadaannaa en kaadhile "Bade Armaan Se Rakha Hai Balam Teri Kasam Oh Balam Teri Kasam Pyar Ki Duniya Pe Yeh Pehlaa Kadam" appadinnu oru paattu sutthikkitte irukku. ;-) Enna arumaiyaana paattu! Ippo indha "Kulungidum Poovilellaaam" paattai naan enge poi ketpen ?
  
  
• From: gOpAl (@ 1cust133.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net) on: Fri Feb 20 14:42:17 EST 1998
  
  Mani
  
  Hats off again. You have great info Mani. It was very interesting.
  
  Ramki
  
  BDasan BDasan enru kAdhil vizhundhadhE Ramki. Pls confirm. (yAr yezhudhi irundhAlum hats off!)
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ nas01ppp209.apts.wmich.edu) on: Fri Feb 20 15:26:04 EST 1998
  
  Gopal: indha paadalin naduvil oru vari varum
  
  'paadum nalthamizh pattai thandhadhu kanmani'
  
  Kanmani enbadhu Geetha characteroda peiyar.
  Avar Mammoots mele lovoda indha pattai ezhudhi tharuvaanga Mammuvo Bpriyavoda jolly paaduvaar.
  so indha paadal situationkku thagundhappala ezhudhina paadal.
  
  
• From: gOpAl (@ 1cust51.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net) on: Fri Feb 20 17:24:38 EST 1998
  
  ramki:
  
  yappah. grass-scratching effect kodukkareenga pOnga. nejamA neenga tfmpage film news aanandhan. hats off to you now.:))
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Fri Feb 20 20:15:18 EST 1998
  
  Manisekaran = maNigaLai sEgarippavar
  
  maNigaLai sEgarippadhu mattum illaamal, nEram odhukki
  neengaL avatrai engaLudan pagirndhukoLkireergaL.
  Nandri. UngaL thoNdu thodarga.
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Fri Feb 20 20:16:39 EST 1998
  
  closing boldface
  
  
• From: Manisekaran (@ wmu-52-64.tm.net.my) on: Sun Feb 22 06:28:08 EST 1998
  
  RV,
  
  Itho Antha paadal
  
  F= Kulungidum Poovilellam Thenaruvi Kandathanaal
  Vandu Kathalinaal Naatha Thaviduthey Thaaviduthey
  Inbam Meviduthey
  
  M=Konjidum Anjugamey Odi Vantha Jodippura
  Koodi Aananthamai Konji Paadiduthey Paadiduthey
  Inbam Naadiduthey
  
  F=Kulirudan Maalaivelai Kollum Nesam Enna Solven
  
  M=Manamum Thendral Kaatrum Onraiyodru Maruviduthey
  
  F=Alaavi Vanathaiyey Thaavumoru Maamarathai
  Anbaal Mullaikkodi Odithaviduthey
  Aanantham Naatha Meviduthey
  
  BOTH= kulungidum poovilellam Thenaruvi Kandathanaal
  Vandu Kathalinaal Aha Thaviduthey Thaviduthey Inbam Meviduthey
  
  M=Kathalaal Inba Vaazhvu Kaikkoodum Evvuyirkum-Aathalaaley Mayiley
  
  F=Kathallal Namiruvar
  
  M=Aathalaley Mayiley
  
  F=Kaathalaal Naamiruvar
  
  M=Sernthey Inbamellam Vainthey Vazhnthiduvom-Vazhnthiduvom Naamey Vaazhnthiduvom
  
  F=En Pol Bagyavathy Yaarumillai Ulaginiley-Inbam Inbam Nam irandu Manam Oru Manamey
  
  BOTH=Kulungidum.....
  
  THE CLASH
  Originally Baradidasan wrote Thenaruvi "KAMAZHNTHATHANAAL" but the MD changed it to "Kandathathanaal".Baradidasan said the MD had no right over the wording.But the MD S Dachinamurthy said he had to make changes for easy flow of the tune. They exchanged words and Baradidasan went out and slammed his car door. A boy from the recording studio(primitive in those days)ran out to Baradidasan and told him not to slam the door as the noise may be recorded. Baradidasan replied that if the sound equipment refuse to record "KAMAZNTHATHANAAL", how could it then possibly record the slam of the door. Baradidasan drove away.
  Regards.
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Sun Feb 22 15:14:40 EST 1998
  
  ManisEkaran, wow. I have now become a new entrant to the MFC. (ManisEkaran Fan club). ippa puriyudhunga ungaLukkaaga En thani thread aarambichchaangannu. romba nanRi.
  
  
• From: Manisekaran (@ bat-47-115.tm.net.my) on: Fri Feb 27 12:33:09 EST 1998
  
  Ravi, Enakku MOunt Road'il Silai Undo? I just happen to be sharing some info that I have. Yam Petra Thagaval Peruga Intha TFMDF.
  
  Two important songs of Baradidasan that I missed. 1.One is by CS Jayaraman in Kuladeivam.
  
  Korikkai Atru Kidakkuthanney nIngu Veril Pazhutha Pala- Miga
  Kodiyathendru Pattathanney Kulir Vidugindra Vatta Nila
  Vetkamilla Vetkamillai Ingu yaarukkum Vetkamillai
  2. The othe is in Kokilavani, by AM Raja. This is a song that made Conventschool girls jeer at a professor when he read out this poem.The girls had blue uniform.
  
  Neelavaan Aadaikkul Udal Maraithey
  Nila vendru Kaattugindrai oli Mugathai
  Kolam Muzhuthum Kaattivittal Kaathal Kollaiyiley
  Ivvulagam Saramo?
  Good Night.
  
  
• From: amsavani (@ ) on: Tue Mar 19 05:02:53 EST 2002
  
  i would liketo have the song "Malarin Mevu" ragam nattai. Please to mail me. TQ
  
  

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