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IR's new albums!

Topic started by RAJAN (@ proxy-122.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on Thu Jan 22 22:20:06 EST 1998.
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A new Ilayaraja album is a cause for celebration with many among us. Let everyone share in the revelry. Review, discuss or comment on new IR albums.

Check the IR reviews page

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• From: ECHO (@ t3-d-static-237.adsl.directlink.net) on: Tue Mar 28 19:14:53 EST 2000
  
  No one seems to be listened to raja's latest album, but never failed to called themseves as hard core/ardent/fanatic fans of him, :)
  
  
• From: ECHO (@ t3-d-static-237.adsl.directlink.net) on: Tue Mar 28 20:07:24 EST 2000
  
  called=call
  
  
• From: prabhakar (@ 202.9.148.63) on: Tue Mar 28 23:25:59 EST 2000
  
  I thank Echo for echoing my sentiments about this page. This page attracts only the so called IR fans who want to thrive on controversies about IR and not to listen to good music. Although they say that they are IR fans , they couldnt find time to listen to his most recent album and give their valuable comments. As far as I know there is only one word to describe this attitude and that is HYPOCRISY. Just think about this- a so called ardent fan of IR gets turned off by the title "Karisakattu Poove". That sums it all. That is what is happening to IR these days. The ordinary people and the youth are getting turned off when they know the MD for a film is IR. When so many IR fans in this site couldnt even buy a cassette and listen to it and give their comments how can you expect other people to give their due respect to the maestro. I only wish that all you hypocrites dont come for this forum again and only IR's new albums are discussed. Once again I thank ECHO.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.137) on: Wed Mar 29 00:49:30 EST 2000
  
  Echo & Prabhakar!
  
  While there is some correctness in your approach to champion the meaningfulness of this thread, it is deplorable to call IR admirers as `hypocrites' simply because they didn't bother to listen to one `karisal kAttu poovE':-(
  
  There again, 95% of IR's prime contribution was during the period when `LP records and cassette recording centers' were ruling TN along with broadcast music and not the pre-recorded cassettes as of now and the current style of sat-TV promotions bent upon selling cassettes at any cost. (There is even a clip of a non-film Suresh Peters stuff telecast every hour, telling listeners it's a `must-buy')
  
  Those with all the nostalgia (oh how sweet this one) can't resist to discuss about IR's music -whether it is past or present or future.
  
  It does not demand on them (why them, ME) to take the pain of going to a shop, search through the corridors of crap scattered around (and get thoroughly demoralised when the attendant comes and tells you there is no CD of `GURU' but there are 100s of them of vAnathaippOla and such rubbish...even suggesting you to buy `alai pAyudhE'..) to locate one xxxx new release of IR where the lyrics will often be close to rubbish...
  
  Please be happy that there're still die-hard IR admirers around to talk about him:-)
  
  
• From: kums (@ ppp-230.tnt-1.dfw.smartworld.net) on: Wed Mar 29 02:51:44 EST 2000
  
  Even IR fanatics can not buy anymore of his albums I guess... :-
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ wwwgate1.motorola.com) on: Wed Mar 29 04:04:50 EST 2000
  
  eden,
  Well put...
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.145) on: Wed Mar 29 04:23:56 EST 2000
  
  Shankar:-)
  
  Just back from lunch after listening to KN with my son who's enjoying vacation...when `endhan kuyilengE, thEdippArthEn, thEdippArthEn' is played, this 7 yr old asks: `avanga dhAn irukkAngaLE, pAttum pAdarAnga, pinna yEn thEdippArkiRAn?' So much for the logic of the lyricists! (I must confess once again that the first interlude of this song is out of the world! Hats off to IR's guitar mastery!)
  
  
• From: suresh (@ dedicated-149.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Wed Mar 29 04:31:46 EST 2000
  
  Vimal, I'm surprised you get so turned off by the name "karisakkattu poove". IMO it's a beautiful title bringing 'mann vaasanai' to the fore and (i doubt if this will be brought out by kasturi raaja) potentially an apt metaphor for romance or such emotions blooming in a bleak landscape (southern districts). I also wonder if any of the folk songs in this movie will appeal to you. Certainly not for the 'classes' but for the rural 'mass'.
  
  I personally don't prefer the "ennai thaalatta varuvalo" songs from IR as they're best left to the younger/ newer breed of composers. But since
  this kind of music seems to draw instant appeal, the 'aayiram kodi' number in this movie will be a surefire hit, one that many of our music lovers living abroad (sweeping generalisation!) will be happy to be playing for a non-Tamil audience. Unfortunately, it's audiences like this that dictate movie-making and consequently music of Indian film industry today. That's why you have ridiculous movies like 'Taal', 'Kuch Kuch Hota Hai' and 'Muthu' doing so well abroad. It's all about marketing; overseas markets (and Chennai/ TN metros - A) will get a ARR + MR/ Rajiv Menon/ Shankar..., B and C centres will get the other end of the stick with films that propogate either superstition (Amman, many of P Vasu and KSR), casteism (KSR, Vikraman, BR..) or other such crap... Very few clever directors like Shankar manage to make a movie that appeals to all these segments. In the midst of all this, where is the space for a film-maker like Mahendran or Balu Mahendra? How do you expect IR to be inspired by the kind of movies (and units) he's getting to work on?
  
  I'm not for him retiring (if he can give one 'niram pirithu' (time) among 50 mediocre numbers, i can wait) at all; he's still the numero uno for BGM and will be the 1st choice for any film-maker that considers music as an integral part of film-making and not a marketing prop. He can still churn out commercial hits (kathalukku mariyadhai, sethu..) without compromising on an artist's basic dignity of original creativity. He can still hold his head high without having to resort to any marketing gimmicks, and in having a faithful band of followers across the globe who have more faith in him than perhaps himself.
  
  So, no reason to despair yet...
  
  Eden
  I think you're being unfair in expecting a music shop attendant to know and be appreciative of IR albums. The demographics of IR's target audience have changed from the time you and me started frequenting the recording centres.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.129) on: Wed Mar 29 07:32:32 EST 2000
  
  Suresh
  I'm not trying to criticise the music shop guys..just that I get demoralised visiting the cassette shops where IR is hidden in one corner to be digged out..and hence don't frequent them..(see here, I AM the one to blame and not the music shop guys)...However, for this reason, IMHO, someone cannot qualify me for the title `hypocrite'..that's all:-)
  
  
• From: Ramesh K (@ isdn3.pppmad.vsnl.net.in) on: Wed Mar 29 09:40:58 EST 2000
  
  Hi friends,
  I felt i have to express myself seeing the spate of arguments going on. I wonder who can be the person who said he doesn't like the recent "karisakaatu poove". It is one album where u can expect the songs to not only be catchy but also portray the real style of IR. Just think the aayiram kodi. Has any song in recent times were capable of giving out an exact feeling of the song. Hmmm, as someone has already pointed out that it is the guy who can market his cassette is getting the hit. In fact when we go to a music shop even the shop attendants there look at u differently when u ask for a recent IR album. What kind of change has come in with these people?. Even though the song is good they are not prepared to accept something is good which is not according to their preset musical sense. They think that some lousy MD who will take some six months to compose a song will be the best one. They are not just prepared to accept it is good. That's what is happening. Let's look at the countdown shows and the other couples pgm where couples are asked which Md u like, and they immdly say that some MD is best. I wonder have they ever listened intently to other's songs. Are they ever aware that good music is existing. They are all carried away by the mktg blitz. That's all. For karisakkaatu poove u cannot even find a single poster outside the music shops. In fact u have to go to a general mall where they sell all kinds of cassettes to get this album. I will give a good explanation on saturday on why this change has happened(i.e. People not willing to accept or listen to IR's album even though it is an excellent and superior one, i think it is a change in the psychology and the marketing blitz associated with it.).
  
  
• From: vimal (@ 63-224-156-4.customers.uswest.net) on: Wed Mar 29 11:19:07 EST 2000
  
  Guys,
  I should thank Eden and Shankar for not discounting my point. And guys I posted my views after reading someone's idea of IR retiring "Gracefully". Just to reemphasize which I have been doing time and again, Tamil Film fans have seen enough of and thangachi, thali, amman, caste, poor-rich love, college sentiments.
  
  If you think IR's music is really "hot" amongst the masses, you are wrong. They need catchy lyrics with Catchy tunes. They need songs to sing loud in their "local parties", they need songs to tease girls. "Gayathri-Ketkum.." may be a great song, but do you think our mama-machan's are really going to sing it to while away their time?
  
  If that is the case with the Masses, little can be said regarding the classes.
  
  Dear ECHO and Prabhakar,
  Please have the habit of reading the Preceding posts before making a comment. If I am an IR fan, it doesn't mean that I am not bound to enjoying all his songs or buy all his albums. I could not locate "Kakkai Chiraginile" or even "Manam Virumbuthe Unnai" in many of the music shops in Madras, but had no problems in buying "Sethu" or "Time" or "Hey Ram".
  
  C'mon guys, we're marching towards the 21'st century, and titles like "Karisakkattu Poove" are not helping IR even the least bit. Even Mohan's movies if remade will flop miserably. The thinking of the minds of society is ever dynamic and Successful Movies have always been those which echo the thoughts of the society.
  
  And IR should look out for such projects. He has done enough to prove his versatality and needn't do any of these kinds of movies anymore.
  
  And finally, Echo and Prabhakar, I care a damn if you guys call me a HCIRF or not. I mean, who are you guys to judge me?? All I can ask you guys is to just GROW UP!!!
  
  
  
  
  
• From: ditto (@ 63-224-156-4.customers.uswest.net) on: Wed Mar 29 11:21:15 EST 2000
  
  CORRECTION: In my address to echo and Prabhakar,
  "*** I am not bound..." should be read as " I am bound.."
  
  
• From: Ganesh Deivasikhamani (@ 134.113.200.35) on: Wed Mar 29 13:44:34 EST 2000
  
  Friends
  I see that lots of people have responded to my earlier mail about IRs retirement. Anyway I dont want to get back to that topic again. When I visited Madras this Feb lot of casette shops where playing Kannukkul Nilavu song 'Nilavu pattu' and even in the top countdowns, top 5 where his. So I am not doubting his ability to comeback,its just that he is now alone,with movies are so much about marketing and sellabilty naturally his ex friends Balachandar,Mani and other prefer AR to him as he is currently hot in market this applies to even cassettes and sales. You may be a genius etc but does ur work sell in the market now thats entirely different one,And I am sure in the coming years no one can dominate music industry like IR did for 20 and odd yrs.
  But its strange from the 90s his standard started sliding down somewhat like formula music and not so good movies to add to that. Then his major mess up was the Symphony release He got so much public attention over this but he never dare to release the album is he afraid tamil people wont accept his work,I dont think so every IR fan like us are all waiting so much for this and now most of us has given the hope of that seeing the daylight.
  Finally somebody was talking about the hype and marketing goes with the album. I think IR got enough attention for HeyRam but look at the work my friends,even the background (supposed be a symphony work) was not good,may be got cut off in the censors I am sure any person who has listened to it will agree that BGM of Nayagan,Guna and Thalapati was superior than HeyRam.
  I leave the rest to ur opinion.
  Can anyone please tell me where I can listen to his latest release karisakaatu poove any weblinks available.
  
  thanks
  Ganesh
  
  

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