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Will ARR's song find its way in "Invincible"

Topic started by Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on Fri Jun 15 13:18:22 EDT 2001.
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Yes! "Invincible" Is the new album by Michael Jackson. ARR composed a song with him for this album about a year ago. Planet Jackson has announced a list of 15 songs that may figure in the album (with 4 songs possibly replaced in the last minute)

Will ARRs song make it. If it makes will it shoot him to popularity among mainstream listners in the wast. Especially Europe and USA. Will it fecth ARR a new international status and thereby a chance at the Grammy awards

Most important of all does it matter to the Tamil Folks if ARR, or that matter any Indian is succesful outside India, or they dont care at all

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• From: Bharath (@ ) on: Tue Oct 30 13:09:29 EST 2001
  
  This is the invincible album review
  
  Portrait of the artist as a grown man
  
  
  `Invincible' finds Michael Jackson in mature mode, but no less
  danceable
  
  
  By Michael E. Ross
  MSNBC
  
  
  Oct. 29 — The rumors of Michael Jackson's comeback are greatly
  exaggerated. Having made appearances on and off stage all year (he
  met Ariel Sharon in March, opened a Nasdaq session in the summer,
  made a surprise appearance with 'N Sync at the MTV Video Music Awards
  and headlined the United We Stand benefit in Washington), he has
  disregarded a basic law of entertainment: It can't be a comeback if
  you never go away.
  
  No more blood on the dance floor; sweat and tears are enough.
  
  BUT JACKSON has long broken pop-culture's rules. After years
  of curious personal behavior, two broken marriages and a devastating
  molestation scandal that might have toppled a less single-minded
  celebrity, he's back in the spotlight with "Invincible," his first
  studio album in six years. Fans who think he's frozen in the
  multiplatinum amber of "Thriller" and "Bad," two of his biggest
  albums, may be disappointed. The "Invincible" Jackson is a wiser man
  of 43, for whom growing up in public has had liabilities he faces in
  a record both reflective and rambunctious. No more blood on the dance
  floor; sweat and tears are enough.
  
  BANKING THE FIRES
  Jackson still brings his love of electronica, infectious
  rhythms and impassioned balladry to this record. And he has happily
  borrowed from rock, rap, and the R&B traditions that formed his
  musical education. But Jackson has banked the fires from the past.
  With age 40 in his rear-view mirror, Jackson is addressing not the
  cartoon horrors of "Thriller," but the scarier prospect of life as an
  adult.
  
  Listen to "Whatever Happens": The song starts with vaguely
  ominous whistling (suitable, perhaps, for walking in a graveyard).
  The seemingly innocuous lyric — "Whatever happens, don't let go of my
  hand" — could apply to a man and woman, or a father and child, in
  some forbidding place. The threatening things of our world seem to
  demand that reliance on the familiar (now, in the post-Sept. 11
  world, more than ever).
  
  Jackson plays up his romantic side, the come-hither vocal magician of
  sandpaper and silk, on "Heaven Can Wait," "Break of Dawn"
  and "Butterflies" — three heart-on-sleeve ballads in which Jackson's
  feel for lapidary harmonies, lush production values and unabashed
  romanticism rises to, and above, the occasion.
  
  THE STAR'S WORLD
  He hasn't lost his sense of the star's world. It's hard to
  hear some of these songs — "Whatever Happens," "Privacy"
  and "Unbreakable" — without recalling the crises of Jackson's life
  (an invasive press, issues of self-identity, conflicts with family)
  and his attempts to deal with them.
  
  "The Lost Children" is Jackson's latest appeal for protecting
  the world's children — not an impersonal, milk-carton sentiment, but
  a ballad whose petition takes on new meaning and urgency for Jackson,
  now a father of two.
  
  "Invincible" marks a break with Jackson's past. Musicianship
  throughout is as solid as ever, but the trademark Jackson dance
  tracks are less frenetic; there's nothing like the snap-hammer
  rhythms of "Billie Jean" or the jangly lecture of "Black and
  White."
  The music is more laid-back; the comic asides somehow more
  thoughtful. Jackson's not Bad or Dangerous, and certainly not
  Invincible. Boastful album titles aside, this latest Jackson solo
  outing shows real circumspection, maybe even a sense of mortality,
  has crept into the proceedings. This is a portrait of the artist as a
  grown man — not the wunderkind of the Jackson 5, not the tyro of
  the "Thriller" era.
  It's to his credit that, years after his biggest triumphs,
  Jackson didn't try to replicate the style of those monster
  successes. "Invincible" is the music of moving on, of a man grappling
  with never having had the relative luxury of growing up in the dark
  (like most of us), of someone comfortable with life in his own highly
  visible skin. That's not exactly wisdom, but it is intelligence; in
  Michael Jackson's hands, it's got a good beat, too.
  
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Michael E. Ross is an editor-producer for MSNBC.com's Living & Travel
  section.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Tue Oct 30 13:10:27 EST 2001
  
  I am listening to Invincible. Sorry No ARRahman song in this album! I
  guess it will be in the Indian releases or maybe it will be released
  as a separate single after sometime a'la blood on the dance floor.
  
  The songs are awesome. Hope it sells well!:-)
  
  -Bharath
  
  
  
• From: raycas (@ 212.186.40.21) on: Wed Oct 31 05:05:22 EST 2001
  
  how many songs are there actually in invincible now??? 16??? cause i downloaded 2 additional songs called 'mind is the magic' (with descripition: going to be released in january 2001) and 'you are my life'...i don't remember those names in any older albums of mj, and the singer of these songs is definitely mj!!! so what's all this about??? please someone clarify!
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Wed Oct 31 11:13:39 EST 2001
  
  raycas,
  
  there r only 16 songs and and the 2 songs u mentioned have NEVER figured in any MJ album b4 (even in jackson 5)
  
  where did u dowload it from? did have the names of the song correct! the list of songs is in old responses.
  
  after listening half a dozen times I have come to grips with this labum!
  
  "the lost children" and "whatever happens"(featuring santana) are the songs of the album. they r incredible slow songs with amazing tune and arrangements! The whistle of santana is really eerie!
  
  Among the fast songs I wud move away from the top 4 (unbreakable, invincible, heart breaker and YRMW) and choose 2000 Watts and Privacy! Those r cool! I am still reeling by the sound fx in 2000 watts!
  
  
• From: CHEENU (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Wed Nov 7 01:32:25 EST 2001
  
  BHARTH,
  
  DON'T GET DISAPPOINTED. SOME OTHER X OR Y WILL INCLUDE ARR'S SONG IN HIS ALBUM
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.133) on: Wed Nov 7 03:45:51 EST 2001
  
  Come off it, Cheenu...what's ur problem man? How many tfm or for that matter, any Indian md gets to work wit the likes of ALW or MJ? It doesn't happen every day or every year or even every decade. IT's not just any X or Y we are talking abt here.
  
  I don't know why u have so much contempt for ARR. My suggestion for u is to keep ur thoughts to urself and stop spewing such venom on these threads. U r just making urself look like some frustrated arr hater whose 10 year-old prediction that arr will fade into thin air, never materialised.
  
  
• From: Cheenu (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Thu Nov 8 01:25:15 EST 2001
  
  Whynot,
  
  I have no contempt for Rahman, at all. True.
  
  All I said was, so what if MJ does not include his album.Why do we expect that ARR's talent should be recognized and appreciated by MJ. When your expectations fail, you get disappointed.
  
  ARR is a good composer, irrespective of whether the western world recognizes it or not.
  
  Similar cases are there with other people.
  
  Just because the northern audience does not value , IR does not become a bad composer.
  
  Recently, Asha Bhonsle was awarded the coveted Paklke award. Does it mean that our S Janki or Chithra a less talented singer.
  
  Amitabh Bachhan was termed 'actor of the centuary'. Does it belittle our Sivaji anyway.
  
  WHY DO WE INDIANS LONG FOR WORLD-WIDE (ESP THE WESTERN) APPRECITAION, WHILE WE IGNORE THE LOCAL TALENTS.
  
  Beacuse, in every award, there is politics.
  
  So I just wanted to say that MJ is not the ultimate. Let us appreciate ARR for his contribution to indian music.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.131) on: Thu Nov 8 01:57:21 EST 2001
  
  Ok Cheenu, I see where u r coming from.
  
  >>WHY DO WE INDIANS LONG FOR WORLD-WIDE (ESP THE WESTERN) APPRECITAION<<
  
  It's true, I guess it is just human nature. Not just in Indians, but in all races. Somehow international recognition is just seen as a step above 'local recognition'. It's not that we don't appreciate local talents. In Australia, where the locals here are very proud of their achievements, they still yearn for Australian made movies or Aust talents to make it big in Hollywood. That's wat I mean by human nature.
  
  But what u said is definitely food for thought; now I understand ur frustrated postings.
  
  
  
• From: Cheenu (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Thu Nov 8 03:01:56 EST 2001
  
  Whynot,
  
  Whynot,
  
  i will make my postion clear.
  
  what I wanted to convey was, world-wide appreciation alone neeed not be the yard-stick for talent.
  
  Every one wants to be recognized and appreciated.
  That's human nature. Who is denying?
  
  When it comes to awards, awards are decided by jury consisting of human beings. And definitely there will be some bias. Politics.
  
  In India , the elemnt of politics is strong. Esp in national awards.
  
  Shivaji Ganesan never got a national award.
  Not for his role in "Thanga Patahkkam" nor for octogeniran role in "Thirunavukkarasar"
  
  K.Balachander and Baharthiraje are virtually unknown to north indians than is mani rathnam.
  
  But do you honestly feel that these people are as good as those who are nationally or internationally known celebrities.
  
  In my opinion, there are a variety of reasons that boosts or sucks one's popularity.
  
  I'm not saying that ARR need not be world-side
  appreciated. But in case his talents are not recognized , he or his ardent fans need not feel bad about it. The loss is definetely for the others, not for ARR.
  
  Ditto for IR. If north indians do not know who IR is, they are at a loss; Not IR.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Cheenu (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Thu Nov 8 03:04:10 EST 2001
  
  CORRECTION:
  
  Please read
  
  But do you honestly feel that these people are as good as those who are nationally or internationally known celebrities.
  
  As
  
  But do you honestly feel that these people are NOT as good as those who are nationally or internationally known celebrities.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.137) on: Thu Nov 8 04:12:24 EST 2001
  
  I get your point Cheenu. Wat i said about human nature is just a personal observation and I wasn't implying u r denying it. I didn't mean to offend.
  I agree that "world-wide appreciation alone neeed not be the yard-stick for talent. "
  
  
  

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