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Another comparison thread - Bharathy

Topic started by eden (@ 61.1.250.133) on Fri Oct 13 05:01:15 EDT 2000.
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Let's take different versions of the same Bharathiar song in TFM & compare objectively:-)

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• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.148) on: Fri Oct 13 07:29:52 EDT 2000
  
  IMO, this might help discuss on the musical abilities better since the poem is same & no question of `ability of the lyricist to better synch with the composer' & such factors...the situational requirement still plays a role but cannot be much different as many are period variety...It will be interesting to listen to knowledgeable DFers dissect both the earlier female version of `kAkkai chiRaginile nanda lAlA' with the LV's version in EzhAvadhu manithan (& similar parallels)!
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Fri Oct 13 08:51:23 EDT 2000
  
  Eden,
  
  I have listened to Kakkai chairaginile from (EM)Ezhavathu Manithan(LV's version).It is a wonderful song.Short(3 mins) but very sweet.KJY's singing is faultless.
  
  Who composed the other version and in which film?
  
  I thought all the Bharathiar songs in EM were great.I think they are the best.My favourite is Veenaiyadi nee enakku(KJY sang well again who is the female singer?)
  
  Has any other version of "veenai" been composed?
  
  Is it just coincidence that IR didn't try any of the songs in EM?Was it Director's choice of songs to be included in Bharathy?
  
  Thanks,
  Trend
  
  
• From: kk (@ 207.0.105.149) on: Fri Oct 13 22:10:40 EDT 2000
  
  Try listening to KappalOttiya thamizhan (music: G Ramanathan, Lyr: bharathiyar, 1961) - still sounds fresh after all these years. The track has greater variety, bhavam, and life compared to IR's score.
  
  kaakkai chiraginilE also appears in thirumaal perumai (mus KVM?)
  
  
• From: ravi k.s. ravichandran (@ 128.110.251.70) on: Fri Oct 13 23:00:49 EDT 2000
  
  I write this as I listen to "Vande matharam" from Bharathy. It is interesting. From young age, I have always somewhat subconciously remembered this as a song with some kind of an angrier tone to it...undersandably since there is this feeling that Bharathy wrote such songs defying the colonial rule.
  
  But in IR's composing of this song, I seem to sense a feeling of triumph, self-determination and proudness..may be this is what Bharathi intended..I don't know.
  
  But IR's composition of this song is simply superb..There is no other way I want to hear this song. The tonal rendering of phrases "vandae matharam.." reflects triumph and proudness..and "ondu pattal indu vazhvae.." phrase was set in a self-deterministic tone. Just wonderful. I really can't imagine that anyone else could have presented this song this way. Anyone has similar thoughts ?
  
  
• From: ravi k.s.ravichandran (@ 128.110.251.70) on: Fri Oct 13 23:03:34 EDT 2000
  
  Excuse me for the typos in the above. I was kind of distracted into the song!
  
  
• From: Trisha (@ 203.197.9.137) on: Mon Oct 16 14:11:43 EDT 2000
  
  ravi,
  I agree.. I could feel the same victorious feeling coming out. Ezhuchi, not frustration or anger is what emerges. Superb.
  
  Trend,
  The female lead in 'VeeNayadi Nee Enakku' from 7-vadhu Manithan is Neeraja.
  
  I was hoping IR would include some KAvadi Chindu tune in one of the songs in the film, considering its aptness to the geographical location.
  I was disappointed by 'Agni Kunju' very much.
  
  'Nalladhor VeeNai seidhe' in Bharati, though seemingly less-accomplished than its MSV version in VaRumayin NiRam Sivappu, is apt for the situation it is used in...
  The MSV number had Poornam reciting it in a Carnatic concert where IRs version is used in a sad situation..
  Ninnai Charan Adainthen is originally set to Punnagavarali raga, somewhat like a Magudi tune.
  IR's version is very very good, and surprisingly Bombay Jayashri has rendered the lines with the right pronunciation. IR nalla drill VAngi yiruppar!
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Wed Oct 18 16:13:29 EDT 2000
  
  Trisha,
  
  Thanks for the info.Has Neeraja sung any other famous songs?
  
  In Varumaiyin Niran Sigappu this song comes at the point where Kamal is in abject poverty and regrets for the first time he has walked out on his father.This song also paves the way for their reunion.So,I thought this song was very apt forthe situation and had a poignant effect.SPB's rendition is impeccable.
  
  I haven't seen Bharathy so I don't know about the other version.
  
  Trend
  
  
  
• From: e (@ 202.144.64.4) on: Mon Oct 23 23:41:05 EDT 2000
  
  TN Govt. declares Bharathy tax-free:
  http://dinamalar.com/Oct24/ffpnews8.htm
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 130.108.1.147) on: Wed Oct 25 21:47:49 EDT 2000
  
  Hi Guys,
  
  "Bharathy gets Oscar award(sirantha Vazhkai varalaatru padam)" Kumudam claims.
  Go to Kumudam.com and check out the news.Hope the news is true.
  
  Digression,
  
  On the same page there is also a news which says Karunanithi and JJ has agreed to work together for the welfare of TamilNadu and its people.
  
  The rest of the news on the page is optimistic
  too.
  This makes me to doubt the how reliable Bharathy news is.
  
  I t would be great if somebody can find out if Oscar for bharathy is really true.
  
  Trend
  
  
• From: bb (@ 63.93.97.63) on: Wed Oct 25 22:06:00 EDT 2000
  
  trendu, angE "virivaana seidhigaL" paarunga, ellaam kaadhule poo:)
  
  
• From: STS (@ 38.28.19.23) on: Wed Oct 25 23:11:29 EDT 2000
  
  Wantedly the director left most famous songs of Bharathiyar in the film Bharathy. He said it in an interview. Also he said it is not about Bharathiyar as a poet but Bharathy as a man, a film about his life.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Thu Oct 26 09:57:45 EDT 2000
  
  bb,
  
  Thanks.Indha kumudathukku vera velaye illaya-)
  
  Trend
  
  
• From: IsaiPriyan (@ 164.164.86.66) on: Thu Nov 2 01:05:29 EST 2000
  
  "Nalladhor Veenai Seidhe" was on the lines of "Mile Sur Mera Tumhara".. I mean the the structure of the song and its tune. But what lent bliss to the song was IR's melifluous voice. It makes you feel "Oh.. what a great poet Bharathi was !! And my God, there are only 13 people attending his funeral...".
  
  Looking forward to hear more such stuff from IR.
  
  
• From: maran (@ ) on: Mon Jun 24 11:20:08 EDT 2002
  
  buddies.
  where can i download or listen to Pandit Bhimsen Joshi's Mile Sur Mera Tumhara.
  I tried in several websites which i knew but in vain.
  plss help me.
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.83.156) on: Tue Jun 25 05:19:59 EDT 2002
  
  folks... get ... set.... kill maran.....!!!!
  
  Ps : :)) NOM
  
  
• From: pradeep (@ 203.199.12.50) on: Fri Jun 28 02:45:59 EDT 2002
  
  Kaakai chairaginile was by Hamsalekha (7vathu manithan_.........
  
  
• From: pradeep (@ 203.199.12.50) on: Fri Jun 28 02:46:26 EDT 2002
  
  Kaakai chairaginile was by Hamsalekha (7vathu manithan_.........
  
  
• From: thiru (@ 63.169.243.18) on: Tue Jul 2 10:41:53 EDT 2002
  
  'sangeedham paada' from idhu namma aalu is similar to 'raaga deepam etrum neram' from payanangal mudivadhillai.... anyone agrees????
  
  
• From: Thoduvaanam (@ 198.199.168.30) on: Tue Jul 2 12:01:58 EDT 2002
  
  I thought "7vathu manithan: was by Vaidyanathan
  
  
• From: S (@ 128.107.253.42) on: Wed Jul 3 03:37:18 EDT 2002
  
  7 vadhu manidhan was by LV...Hamsalekha can never give such a song..
  
  
• From: poonam (@ ) on: Sat Sep 13 04:31:06 EDT 2003
  
  where i can download and listen to songs by pandit bhimsen joshi
  
  
• From: poonam (@ 210.212.244.7) on: Sat Sep 13 04:43:51 EDT 2003
  
  can anyone help me out
  with the songs
  
  
• From: poonam (@ 210.212.244.7) on: Sat Sep 13 04:44:28 EDT 2003
  
  can anyone help me out
  with the songs
  
  
• From: S Ramaswamy (@ 203.94.224.43) on: Sat Sep 13 05:23:29 EDT 2003
  
  Hi all,
  
  My fav. Bharathiar songs in TFM:
  
  DKP - Chinnanchiru Kiliye Kannamma - Manamagal, a beautiful rendering which even now adorns our carnatic kacheris
  
  TMS - Mangiyathor Nilavinile Kanaviluthy Kanden -
  Thirumanam (listen to the beginning of this song, TMS has done full justice to it. And then the place where he sings 'Adada o adada'
  
  TMS/LRE and another Telugu singer - Sindhu Nadhiyinmisai Nilavinile - Kai Kodutha Deivam (a superb song set to brilliant music by the incomparable duo of VR)
  
  
  PBS/PS - Katru Veliyidai kannamma - Kappal Ottiya Tamizhan
  
  
  
  
• From: Yogesh Mahamuni (@ ) on: Thu Feb 26 01:05:23 EST 2004
  
  hello All,
  Can anybody Help me to download The Tune "Mile Sur Mera tumhara" by P.Bheemsen Joshi.
  
  
• From: Jacky (@ 61.2.225.34) on: Thu Feb 26 04:25:37 EST 2004
  
  Mile sur mera tumhara was composed by Loius banks not Panditji.
  Louis banks also composed the tune for Maaza - doing what comes Naturally, guess that was a catchy one those days.
  
  
• From: rajesh:) (@ 202.88.237.35) on: Fri Feb 27 00:07:37 EST 2004
  
  Jacky ..L.Vaidhyanadhan too contributed for "Mile sur mera thumhara" along with loui banks
  
  
• From: kiran (@ ) on: Sun Mar 21 14:04:56 EST 2004
  
  hi
  please give me info on where to get the song mile sur mera tumhara. i want it desperatly
  
  

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