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Paattukkaga mattum odiya padangal

Topic started by RV (@ 1cust114.max14.san-francisco.ca.ms.uu.net) on Sun Feb 15 16:17:32 EST 1998.
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• From: RV (@ 1cust114.max14.san-francisco.ca.ms.uu.net) on: Sun Feb 15 16:34:21 EST 1998
  
  Paattukkaaga mattum padam oduvadhu TN-il oru common trend. MKT, SGK, PUC, TRM kaalatthilirundhe idhu aarambamaagivittadhu.
  
  I would like to discuss about movies that ran only for songs.
  
  Most of us watch old movies today only for songs. But when the movies were released, their would hv been several components in their success viz. the acting that would be considered as hamming or overacting today - many Sivaji movies would fall in this category - the storyline that was a tearjerker then and too melodramatic and cinematic today - many Gemini/Sivaji movies again would fall in this category - the so called entertainment/masala movies which really suck today - many MGR movies and many Rajini movies tomorrow would fall in this category - and so on.
  
  Let us restrict ourselves to movies that ran at least 100 days. It is easy to verify this in the tamilcinema.com website.
  
  It should be undisputed that this movie ran only for songs and other components in its success are insignificant.
  
  I think IR is the top guy in this category. Several movies hv ran just for his songs. I doubt whether MSV-TKR, MSV, KVM, GR, AMR, ARR etc. can equal him in this. He has set a milestone here. It would be very difficult for anyone to break his record. Ideally, I would prefer it that nobody breaks this record. After all, it would be nice to hv things other than songs in a film. ;-)
  
  Maybe we can concentrate on IR movies first and then go MD by MD.
  
  I am not sure whether IR or GA did Karakaattak Kaaran. I think it is IR. Assuming it is IR,
  
  KK ran for "Maanguyile Poonguyile". It was amazing. As a sidelight, I would like to mention that this song is a reworking of "Raathiriyil Pootthirukkum Thaamaraidhaan Kanno" in Thanga Magan.
  
  I think there was a bunch of songs in that movie. But the only one I remember now is "Ooru vittu ooru vandhu".
  
  I request that when a movie is put up for this category, discuss the movie, songs, and possible lesser components in its success. Pl. note that the lesser components should be practically insignificant.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Krish (@ sb-fw1-ny.i11.advantis.net) on: Sun Feb 15 18:05:26 EST 1998
  
  Here's my first attempt at this (because I know I am going to miss a lot of them): Annakili, Laksmi (remember Thenna marathile song, the movie ran 100 days and was a big hit), payanangal mudivathillai, ilami kolangal, rojapoo ravaikaikari, kavikuyil, udhaya geetham, naan paadum padal, enga ooru pattukaran, shenbagame shenbageme, chittukuruvi, kovil pura, mouna raagam (most peole went to see this movie for the song chinna chinna.. initial few weeks this movie had bad collections and was deemed as a flop..but picked up later), sindhu bairavi, pudhu pudhu arthangal, poovilangu, kozhi koovudhu, idhayathai thirudathe (and its telugu version geethanjali), chinna thambi, chinna gownder, amman kovil kizhakale, vaidegi kathirundhal, pudhiya varpugal, niram maraddha pookal, athma, kadhalukku mariyadhai, ninaivellam nitya, kizhakku vasal, varusham 16, solla thudikuthu manasu, nejathai killathe, uthiri pookal, metti (can anyone get this cassette/CD for me), kalyana raman (aha vandituchu was one of the main reasons for its success), neengal kettavai, alaigal oyvadhillai, kadalora kavidhaigal, pagail oru iravu (ilamai enum poongatru), aan paavam etc. etc.
  
  I did not include a lot of Rajni, Kamal, ManiRatnam movies though I would argue that in some of those movies music played more than its fair share for the success of the film
  
  
• From: RAJAN (@ proxy-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on: Sun Feb 15 18:33:16 EST 1998
  
  RV:
  
  700+ padathula, 400 padathukku meala list panna veandi varum. Ithu nadakkira kaariyama!?
  
  
• From: Sathiyavageeswaran (@ client-151-200-127-59.bellatlantic.net) on: Sun Feb 15 20:57:03 EST 1998
  
  KRISH might have mentioned.Sorry for overlap. I will try to catagorise them by actors / directors/ producers.
  
  ACTORS
  ------
  VIJAYKANTH
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  1. Vaideki Kaaththirunthaal
  2. Amman Koil Kilakkale
  3. Ninaive Oru Sangeetham
  4. Poonthotta Kaavalkaaran
  5. Sinna Gounder
  
  RAMARAJAN
  ---------
  
  1. Enga Ooru Pattukaaran
  2. Karagaattakaaran
  3. Paattukku Naan Adimai
  4. Enna Peththa Raasa
  5. Senbagame Senbagame
  
  Murali
  ------
  1. Namma Ooru Poovaththa
  2. Poomani
  3. Adharmam
  4. Idhayam
  5. Poovilangu
  
  Mohan
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  1. Payanangal Mudivathillai
  2. Naan Paadum Paadal
  3. Udhaya Geetham
  4. Paadu Nilave
  5. Ilamaikaalangal
  
  Karthik
  -------
  
  1. Kilakku Vaasal
  2. Agni Natchththiram
  
  
  I will follow up with others.
  
  
• From: RV (@ jlnet-dhcp-gsb-dynamic-58.stanford.edu) on: Sun Feb 15 21:52:59 EST 1998
  
  Guys, dont go overboard. I dont know all the movies mentioned; I am sure that in all the movies mentioned, songs are a reason for success. In several of them, music is the number 1 reason. BUT THE OTHER COMPONENTS ARE NOT INSIGNIFICANT!
  
  Agni Natchatthiram had excellent songs, a nice script, good acting and good direction. Many people I know went to see Mouna Ragam because of Revathi. Vaidehi Kaatthirundhaal had brilliant comedy segments. I saw that movie when I was a collegian and for all the people in my set, there were two attractions viz. Songs and Gowndamani/Senthil comedy. I still think that Gowndamani/Senthil hv never topped that movie for humour. For some of them, Revathi was the third attraction. ;-)And this is my set; for many women in my family, the storyline, the pathos appealed quite a lot. Many in the younger generation may not hv been old enough to appreciate this fact. To give an example, a movie like "Thangap Padhumai" sucks big time today. Except for the songs, there is nothing in that movie. When the movie came, and if the movie was a success, many people might hv seen it because of Sivajis "acting" or whatever.
  
  Again, ideally, bring in one movie at a time, discuss the songs - after all half the fun is in discussing them - mention the other components, if any and state why they are insignificant and go from there. The insignificance should be so apparent to everybody. If there is a difference of opinion, it is not undisputed. As I started this thread, I am the final arbiter if there is a dispute.
  
  To give an analogy, I am not looking for movies in which the MD is the man of the match. I am looking for movies in which MD is the ONLY man in the match. ;-) I know this will eliminate many movies; so be it.
  
  Also check whether the movie ran for 100 days if possible. www.tamilcinema.com has the details. Ninaivellaam Nithya odavillai endru gnaabagam.
  
  And pl. pl. dont reduce this thread to another IR is god discussion. I am genuinely interested in this thread. If that happens, I will probably stop participating in this thread and leave it to IR-worshippers.
  
  
  I remember another one which ran for IR;
  
  "Thendrale Ennaith Thodu".
  
  Arumaiyaana pala paatukkal ulla padam idhu.
  
  My favorite is "Pudhiya Poovidhu Poothadhu".
  
  When the lines "Javvaadhu Pennaanadhu" come up, the effect is sheer magic.
  
  Kanmani Nee Varak Kaatthirundhen is another nice one.
  
  Can someone list other good songs in this movie ?
  
  I hvnt checked whether this ran for 100 days. I will double check this and post it in this thread.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.29.214) on: Mon Feb 16 00:29:18 EST 1998
  
  RV,
  i don't understand how 'maanguyile poonguyile' from karagaatakaaran is a reworking
  of 'raathiriyil poothirukkum' from thanga magan.
  they both sound so different.the raagas or the scales are completely different.is it a mistake?
  
  
  vijay
  
  
• From: Satish (@ pulsar.cs.umn.edu) on: Mon Feb 16 00:45:50 EST 1998
  
  Vijay,
  You are right, there is no connection between "maanguyile poonguyile" and "raathiriyil poothirukkum".
  Once when IR was a jovial mood, he sang the "maanguyile poonguyile" song in the tune of "raathiriyil poothirukkum". (doesn't mean it was a 'rework').
  Vaguely remember IR admitting that he based the "maanguyile poonguyile" song on the "Eru mayil yEri viLayaadum mugam ondru" song.
  
  
• From: RV (@ 1cust124.max18.san-francisco2.ca.ms.uu.net) on: Mon Feb 16 01:51:43 EST 1998
  
  Vijay:
  
  I am no expert in scales or ragas. My observation is based on a very simple fact.
  
  Maanguyile Poonguyile Sedhi-Onnu Kelu
  Raathiriyil Poothirukkum Thamaraidhan Kanno
  Just take each word in the second song and sing it without "extending" any syllable. You will get a tune very similar to Maanguyile. Looks like by just compressing the last syllable in each word, IR got another tune.
  
  For the record, I dont think IR did anything wrong. In fact, I think it is a sign of his genius that he could do this.
  
  
• From: Krish (@ sb-fw1-ny.i11.advantis.net) on: Mon Feb 16 07:31:51 EST 1998
  
  I totally disagree with the suggestion that people went to see Mouna Raagam for Revathi. Infact, the movie did not do well in the first few weeks. After they showed the song "chinna chinna" on oliyum oliyum and the song became mega popular was when the movie began attracting crowds. I stand by the fact that songs were the only reason for success of vaidegi kathirunthal and a key reason for agninatchathiram.
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Mon Feb 16 09:10:48 EST 1998
  
  I saw Mouna Ragam on screen about 8 times - only for Revathy (not to mention the innumerable times I have seen it on Video). I searched out all kuppai theatres in Madras for Revathy !
  
  Actually this movie is just a reworking of Nenjathai KilladhE.
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Mon Feb 16 12:43:59 EST 1998
  
  Guys: check the archive... there is a thread already on that. If you feel it should be linked from here I'll do it.
  
  
• From: RV (@ 1cust82.max2.santa-clara.ca.ms.uu.net) on: Mon Feb 16 14:43:50 EST 1998
  
  I know several who went to Mouna Ragam to see Revathi. If people got attracted by seeing "Chinna Chinna Vannak Kuyil", the picturization of the song, which incidentally was vibrant, colorful and superb and started a new trend of desert songs or songs picturized in Rajasthan, also played a part in that.
  
  I didnt see the movie because of IR. Actually, in my view, while the songs are very good, IR has done even better work in many other songs. My opinion, Mouna Ragam fans! Dont start another war here for that. If you want, start another thread for that. ;-)
  
  As I said, music is the only component should be undisputed. We hv a dispute going on here. Why dont we finish off movies in which there can be no dispute first ?
  
  
• From: S.Krishnan (@ m24.pppmad.vsnl.net.in) on: Tue Feb 17 07:46:27 EST 1998
  
  Definitely, Mouna RaaGam's mega success cannot be
  solely attributed to its scintillating songs.
  Excellent perfomances by Revathi and Karthik is
  also one of the many feathers in Mouna RaaGam's
  cap.Songs were just an icing on the cake :-)
  
  
• From: bs (@ www1.access.bt.com) on: Tue Feb 17 11:27:45 EST 1998
  
  Mounaragam definitely was a trendsetter in terms of brilliant photography,direction & Maniratnam brand crisp dialogues. I dont know if it has run for the first few days without a big crowd but it definitely has run for good technical factors & excellent constrained acting by the different actors(especially Revathi&Karthik, IMO).Telling IR is behind the success is not proper.Also I cant agree that Mounaragam is a version of Nenjathai Killathe because the presentation of the two films is a world apart. Mounaragam depends on slick technical & directorial capabilities in a commercial mould whereas NK is an offbeat, somewhat artistic sort of film which depends mainly on Suhasini&PratapPothen's acting potential..The songs in this movie are definitely more of a smooth,sedate melodies rather than racy/catchy tunes in MR.(especially the brilliant Paruvame..)
  
  
• From: shyam (@ 192.147.35.56) on: Wed Feb 18 14:40:26 EST 1998
  
  I got mesmarized by the songs in the movie "thendrale ennai thodu". I saw that movie thrice.
  Here are the songs of the movie.
  
  kavithai paadu kuyilE kuyilE ithu vasanthame
  thendral vanthu ennai thodum
  puthiya poovithu poothathu
  kanmani neevara kathirunthan janlai parthirunthan
  EmmA anthi mayakamA inthamamA vantha
  
  
• From: Ravy (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Fri Feb 20 13:06:35 EST 1998
  
  MOUNA RAGAM - Chinna Chinna vaNNa kuyil
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  Whatever it is, IMHO this is the first song in TF where some good looking 'extras'were used. (or is it due to those bright Rajasthani dresses?)
  
  
• From: Shibu TN (@ 174-151-199.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Nov 21 03:01:12 EST 1998
  
  All Ramarajan, Karthik, Mohan films ran because of IR music only. No doubt about that!!!
  
  

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