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TFM SONGS SET TO RUPAKA TALA

Topic started by KARTHI GOPAL (@ spider-wj022.proxy.aol.com) on Sun Nov 22 16:00:31 EST 1998.
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I BELIEVE MOST OF THE SONGS IN TFM IS SET TO ADHI TALA OR A VERSION OF IT. I WOULD LIKE TO GET A LIST OF TFM SONGS IN RUPAKA TALA.

THANKS

KARTHI GOPAL

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Responses:

• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.28.18) on: Mon Nov 23 11:36:58 EST 1998
  
  Good thread.
  
  Two egs are:
  
  (1)Unnai Naanarivaen - Guna
  (2)Paruvamae
  
  
• From: sRIRAM (@ bbn-cache-2.cisco.com) on: Tue Nov 24 08:18:42 EST 1998
  
  AGAYA VENNILAVAE - ARANGETRA VELAI
  
  
• From: Swami (@ wp1.ericy.com) on: Tue Nov 24 14:53:47 EST 1998
  
  Can anyone tell me whats rupaka tala??
  
  
• From: KARTHI GOPAL (@ spider-tf043.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Nov 25 00:26:42 EST 1998
  
  To Mr. Swami
  
  Even though rupaka tala is technically a 6 beat cycle in practice it is applied as a cycle of 3 beats. Adhi tala has a cycle of 8 beats.
  
  One prominent example for Rupaka tala is Bhavayami Raghu Ramam.
  
  
  To Mr. Murali Shankar,
  
  Thanks for giving the Guna song example. If you are referring to paruvame in Nenjathai Killathe, I believe it is a form of ada thala which eventually boils down to adhi thala. I would appreciate a clarification of this .
  
  To Mr. Sriram,
  
  Thanks for the example of Agaya Vennilave in Arangetra Velai. The knowledge of Ilayaraja never siezes to amaze me.
  
  
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.175) on: Wed Nov 25 06:02:58 EST 1998
  
  Have you marvelled at the beats of the song 'Vanamellam Shenbagappoo, Vanellam Kunkumappoo' sung with gusto by SPB (I fogot the film, some Paattukkaran?) The beats in the charanam seem to go off the track and round-up beautifully towards the end, just before the pallavi. A similar feeling one gets in the song 'Aagaya Vennilave' too. Can anyone tell me more about this technique and the Tala of the former?
  
  Many thanks
  
  Neels
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.23.234) on: Thu Nov 26 13:12:19 EST 1998
  
  Dear Karthi,
  
  The confusion is probably because the Rupaka taala is very fast in the "paruvamae". It is actually an accelerated Waltz beat. The confusion comes because of 3 x 4 = 4 x 3 = 12. I basically feel that the beat though is rupaka the song fits in such a way that it takes a four cycle based timing.
  
  Regards
  
  Murali Sankar
  
  
• From: Sriram (@ bbn-cache-2.cisco.com) on: Sun Nov 29 06:19:15 EST 1998
  
  One more song came to my mind
  Anandha Ragam Ketkum kalam . The movie I think is Anandha Ragam.IsaiGnani started using this Tala long back.
  
  
  
  
• From: KARTHI GOPAL (@ spider-wd074.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Nov 30 15:16:24 EST 1998
  
  Dear Murali Shankar,
  
  Thanks for the clarification on Paruvame song. Looking forward to more exciting information on Rupaka Tala.
  
  
  Thanks
  
  Karthi
  
  
• From: Raja Govindarajan (@ cerberus5.fon.sprintcorp.com) on: Fri Dec 4 16:45:15 EST 1998
  
  The complementary to Rupakam in Hindustani is Dadra (and sometimes in double speed Ektaal). I think there are quite a few songs in Dadra in TFM. Here's a list:
  Chinna Chinna Thooral Enna
  Aracha Sandhanam
  ...something something.. Jannal vacha Jacket Podavaa
  Marudha Marikkozhindhu Vaasam
  Maniye ManikkuilEy
  Naan Paadum Mowna Raagam kEtkavillaiyaa
  Kulichchaa Kuththaalam
  I can go on and on.
  Not too many in Misra Chaapu (7 beat cycle). Azhagu Nilavey by ARR comes to mind
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Chandrasekaran (@ 2cust48.tnt2.tampa.fl.gt.uu.net) on: Sat Dec 5 20:02:37 EST 1998
  
  I think Aagaya Vennilaavae... sung by KJY and Uma is set to Misrachaapu
  
  
• From: Sriram (@ bbn-cache-2.cisco.com) on: Tue Dec 8 08:45:09 EST 1998
  
  One more rupaka tala song that comes to my mind is
  
  1) Poomalai Vangivanthan from Sindhu Bairavi
  
  
• From: dhanesh (@ bronte.helios.nd.edu) on: Fri Dec 11 16:54:58 EST 1998
  
  A correction ..Anandha raagam ketkum is in paneer pushpangal and not in anandha raagam..
  
  Though i have a decent feel for the thaala..
  I really do not the finer details of thaala as such..
  I know thaala is made of aksharas..what characterises these aksharas??this always puzzles me..
  
  dhanesh
  
  
• From: Vasumathi Jyotinagaram (@ ) on: Sun Aug 4 12:35:31 EDT 2002
  
  I would like to download M.S.Subbalakshmi's 'Bhavayaami Raghu Raamam Bhavya Sugunaaraamam'. Please let me know which web page allows mr to do that. i tried several but could not find this particular song anywhere.
  Regards,
  Vasumathi and Manoharan M.G
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 166.102.198.8) on: Sun Aug 4 13:53:26 EDT 2002
  
  Thanks for the thread Karthi Gopal. A good thread after a long time.
  
  
• From: :) Punnahai (@ 216.221.81.99) on: Sun Aug 4 16:52:33 EDT 2002
  
  This question doesn't belong in this thread, but could someone please answer it anyway since I am not able to get answers anywhere else :(
  
  Why am I not able to listen to any songs from swara.com? Is that site still functioning. Thanks.
  
  
• From: UV (@ 138.88.93.232) on: Sun Aug 4 18:12:24 EDT 2002
  
  Wonderful thread ,keep it going.
  BTW the song Agaya Vennilave is very interesting
  because the rthym goes in 2 cycles
  it goes Rupakam/or Thisram thriputa thalam
  for the main song.
  And goes chasthuvaram for the orchestration
  Correct me if I am wrong.
  Mr.Ilayaraja has used lots of rthymatic cycle apart from the usual 8beat cycle.
  Taal Misram for Gangaikari Mannadi
  Tall Kanda Chapu for 'Azhagu Malar Ada'
  I will also try to come with our other legendary MDs like KVM and MSV
  keep it going
  
  
• From: mAyan (@ 63.231.21.101) on: Sun Aug 4 19:56:48 EDT 2002
  
  Punnahai (@ 216.221.81.99) on: Sun Aug 4 16:52:33 EDT 2002
  
  newtfmpage.com & swara.com together have come up with www.dhool.com
  
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/20880.03.21.22.html
  
  
• From: Kum_Laden (@ 24.100.180.179) on: Mon Aug 5 00:34:13 EDT 2002
  
  A nice Rubaka thaala song>>
  Anantha THen katru thaalatuthe.. one of Malasiya's Best song
  
  How come you guys missed one of the latest? May be someone pointed out but
  "Munpaniya" in Nandhaa is Rubaha!
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 216.52.49.5) on: Mon Aug 5 04:04:34 EDT 2002
  
  Was "Thiruparang-Kundrathil nee sirithaal" set to rupaka?
  
  
• From: satsona (@ 203.199.192.162) on: Mon Aug 5 04:49:47 EDT 2002
  
  Kum_Laden :
  Munpaniya" in Nandhaa is not in Rupaka, but the usual Adi tala.
  
  
  
• From: Whatever (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Mon Aug 5 17:28:20 EDT 2002
  
  Chandrasekaran :
  
  AgAya veNNilAvE is indeed rUpaka thALam. The song is paced so wonderfully that it takes a while to get the thALam. But once you have it, it is beautifully kept up.
  
  IMO, azhagu malarAda is in Adi thALam thishra nadai.
  
  
• From: Doubts (@ 132.235.19.69) on: Mon Aug 5 19:01:21 EDT 2002
  
  Does rupak talam include meters like 6/8, 9/8 and 12/8 or is it just 3/4?
  
  Whatever @ 206, Agaya Vennilave fits without effort into the 4/4 meter. Listen to the bass guitar for the accents. For me both 3/4 or 6/8 seem forced. But one song that confuses me is Manmatha masam from Parthale Paravasam.
  
  One interesting thing abt Minnale song from May madham. In the second interlude, after the first 6 bars, the violins start playing triplet notes. If u follow the violins, u cud notate in 6/8, but if u follow the drum it wud be the usual 4/4. But I think that 4/4 wud be best way to notate there, cos u cud notate the violins melody in tripets then. Am I right?
  
  Did u guys listen to "Priyatama nannu Palakarinchu pranayama" from the telugu movie "Jagadeka veerudu Atiloka sundari"?
  http://raaga.com/channels/telugu/moviedetail.asp?mid=A0000136
  
  Song is in 6/8 cycle, but the beginning two lines of the Charanams go to 12/8 and come back to 6/8 again. Another beautiful song with very good tabla in 6/8 is Anbay from Rhythm.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Whatever (@ 66.75.179.76) on: Mon Aug 5 23:13:32 EDT 2002
  
  Doubts :
  
  I listened to the song again. I cannot make the pallavi fit to Adi thALam. I am quite convinced that it is rUpaka thALam. But the charanam is a different matter altogether. It can fit to either rUpakam or Adi (the interludes seem to be Adi all the way).
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 216.52.49.5) on: Tue Aug 6 05:18:17 EDT 2002
  
  Can any1 respond_old.plzz:
  
  Was "Thiruparang-Kundrathil nee sirithaal" set to rupaka?
  
  
• From: To Whatever (@ 132.235.18.15) on: Thu Aug 8 16:28:12 EDT 2002
  
  Whatever @206, the timing from tabla is same thru out the song, pallavi, interludes, and charanams. And bass guitar timing is the same in the charanma and pallavi. Then if u feel the interludes are in 4/4, so are the pallavi and charanams. Listen to the bass guitar when they sing the pallavi.
  
  
• From: Ramachandran (@ 203.199.192.195) on: Wed Aug 14 05:39:04 EDT 2002
  
  One good song from Yesudos is set to rupaka taka
  "Nee pournami ... Endrum en nenjile.."
  In some Sivakumar film.
  In raaga Simhendramadhyamam I trus.
  
  Is a pakka example I think we have not listed out.
  
  
• From: help (@ 24.44.40.244) on: Thu Aug 15 11:00:12 EDT 2002
  
  Subbu:
  
  It appears to be Adhi Talam
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 216.52.49.5) on: Mon Aug 19 00:38:06 EDT 2002
  
  Thanks "help". When many carnatic listeners here in the thread discuss many great things but they did not bother to clarify my doubt, you did the job. Thanks.
  
  
• From: Cheenu (@ ) on: Tue May 20 00:19:04 EDT 2003
  
  Sun Nov 22 16:00:31 EST 1998.
  Karthi,
  
  Such a nice thread and I could see the response till Aug 2002 from Nov 1998. A great thread, should pull more pundits in to the forum to make it more interesting.
  
  

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