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Malaysia Star Nite- Why no IR songs?

Topic started by OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on Sun Aug 11 04:02:24 EDT 2002.
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The Star nite was covered by SUN TV.Billed as the ultimate show of strength & unity in Tamil Films,this show started with a MSV-Bharathidasan song.All most all the MDs songs were played.Even V Kumar s "Ehtir neechal" song was enacted.

But to my surprise there was not even one IR song throughout the show.The Show had Kamal,Rajini,VK,Sathyaraj,Karthik,Revathi for whom IR has given a lot of hit songs. I felt bad for IR. I have my likes and dislikes but sidelining IR in such a show is a shoddy treatment to one of the good MDs of TF.

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• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.59) on: Sun Aug 11 04:54:22 EDT 2002
  
  hi oisg..
  u sure there was no ir song thru out the show??
  impossible man!
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Sun Aug 11 05:47:07 EDT 2002
  
  Hi Magix
  
  I think i am correct.I would have missed a max of 20 minutes when our Stars were showering "Karuthu Mazhai"
  
  
• From: WN (@ 203.24.100.133) on: Sun Aug 11 07:20:38 EDT 2002
  
  I think Revathy sang the first few lines of Inji Iduppazhaga. If tat's counted, we have an IR song.
  
  There werent many ARR songs either. Madhavan's intro had Endrendrum Punnagai. Arjun's intro had the music from Mudhalvan. Then there were bits of Uppukkaruvadu, a song from Alai Payuthe, a song from Duet, etc esp during the medley at the end. And of course the grand finale had Vande Mataram by ARR himself.
  
  
• From: g (@ 129.49.80.200) on: Sun Aug 11 07:39:02 EDT 2002
  
  hello curses.....paaatellam eppadi irundhum...ennai cassette vaanga solriya....? panam waste panradhukku naan enna ARR fana enna?
  
  
• From: g (@ 129.49.80.200) on: Sun Aug 11 07:45:50 EDT 2002
  
  Raja paatu illama oru tamil kalai nigazhchi nadakkudhunaa, indha tamilnatta aandavanaalaiyum kaapatha mudiyaadhu...aandavanaalaiyum kaapatha mudiyaadhu...aandavanaalaiyum kaapatha mudiyaadhu...aandavanaalaiyum kaapatha mudiyaadhu...aandavanaalaiyum kaapatha mudiyaadhu...
  
  sorry echo effect konjam overaayiduchi!
  
  
• From: Music_lover (@ 61.1.74.76) on: Sun Aug 11 08:25:17 EDT 2002
  
  Mannangatti kalai nigalchhi - it was all mediocre stuff - not even one of the items were of class/standard -
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Sun Aug 11 09:21:41 EDT 2002
  
  Lets set aside the fact that the whole program was stupid;but the program was to exhibit the TF s strength and its colour.
  
  I wonder why nobody pointed out this to the organizers.Atleast the stars should have taken the initiative, Kamal sings the outrageous "Kadavul padhi" instead of "Sundari Neeyum".Karthik forgets "Raja Rajathi Rajan".VK fails to recollect "Rasathi unnai".Satyaraj could have done "Kodiyile Malligaipu",instead does an MGR number which naturally irritated an MGR fan like me.
  
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 202.156.2.219) on: Sun Aug 11 09:22:47 EDT 2002
  
  There were no IR songs. I felt so bad. Thanks for putting up in this forum.
  
  
• From: goodjoke (@ 202.156.44.229) on: Mon Aug 12 01:34:12 EDT 2002
  
  this shows that ir hasn't done anything worthwhile to the new generation. face the truth guys.
  
  
• From: shiva (@ 203.199.229.126) on: Mon Aug 12 03:57:41 EDT 2002
  
  oh... you mean to say all those stars on stage that day were NEW GENERATION. kizhavargal cabaret dancela raja paattu varave vendaam. by the way, unga bashaila edhu pa new generation?
  
  
• From: Cheenu (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Mon Aug 12 04:00:22 EDT 2002
  
  You have noticed just what I have noticed, too.
  
  This is not the first time that such a thing is happening. I would not even hesistate to say that
  "Ilayaraja" is a "ketta vaarthai"(obsecene word) in Tamil Films. Nobody would like to utter his word. The reason is noe very difficult to gauge: (1)IR has no market value. This is to some extent true. (2) There is a myth that IR's songs are not liked anymore and peple like only ARR;s songs. Nothing can be farther from truth. This feeling is artificially created by media esp the TV private Channels. They assume that IR's song are no liked by the prsent day audience and keep on generating articial popularity to ARR's songs(more that what is really required; ARR's song have natural attraction is definetly true;)
  
  Why limit to a show where Actors are imporatnt. You ask any singer what is therir favorite song: They will sing only a ARR composition; This mentality is purely for pecuniary reasons: if they sing an IR song , then then they may not get chance from ARR. This is not to say that ARR will behave like that: it is only that the singers want to be on the safer side.
  
  Many IR fans have been bearing such insults for a long time. But what we should realize is that the film industry is extremely money-minded and self-centered. That's why once a music director loses is market, he is thrown out.
  
  ARR fans need not rejoice on this. ARR's fate will also be similar to this. It's only a question of time.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Cheenu (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Mon Aug 12 04:08:48 EDT 2002
  
  You have noticed just what I have noticed, too.
  
  This is not the first time that such a thing is happening. I would not even hesistate to say that
  "Ilayaraja" is a "ketta vaarthai"(obsecene word) in Tamil Films. Nobody would like to utter his name in public. The reason is noe very difficult to gauge: (1)IR has no market value. This is to some extent true. (2) There is a myth that IR's songs are not liked anymore and people, esp the younger generation likes only ARR's songs. Nothing can be farther from truth. This feeling is artificially created by media esp the TV private Channels. They assume that IR's songs are no liked by the present day audience and keep on generating articial popularity to ARR's songs(more than what is really required; ARR's songs have natural attraction is definetly true).
  
  Why limit to a show where actors are involved! You ask any film play-back singer (worth his/her pinch of salt) what is his/her favorite song: they will immediatly sing only a ARR composition; This mentality is purely for pecuniary reasons: if they sing an IR song , they may not get a chance from ARR. This is not to say that ARR will behave like that: it is only that these singers want to be on the safer side.
  
  Many IR fans have been bearing such insults for a long time. But what they should realize is that the film industry is extremely money-minded and self-centered. That's why once a music director loses is market, he is thrown out.
  
  ARR fans need not rejoice on this. ARR's fate will also be similar to this. It's only a question of time.(Though I persoally wisg it does not happen that way!)
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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• From: Latha (@ 202.88.237.142) on: Mon Aug 12 04:14:21 EDT 2002
  
  My God, veli naatille iv-v-alavu per SUN TV nigazhchi parkkirangala? Don't have any thing better to do, kuzhainthaigala? Suddha waste.. IR & ARR - ippa irukkira soozhnilaiyila, casteai kuda kondu vanthuviduvanga- jakkirathai!
  
  
• From: Basha bai (@ 172.183.98.119) on: Mon Aug 12 04:17:55 EDT 2002
  
  Yes - the reason why they didnt want to put IR's song was that they wanted to prevent a lot of people commiting suicides..
  
  
• From: Nijam (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Mon Aug 12 04:21:02 EDT 2002
  
  Cheenu, for once I agree with you 100%.
  
  
• From: WN (@ 203.24.100.133) on: Mon Aug 12 07:16:33 EDT 2002
  
  Here's some consolation for the disheartened IR Fans.
  
  For the benefit of those who have not watched the show yet, about 15 fans who had come for the show were handpicked by Napolean and Chandrasekar (the actors + politicians) to ask questions to Rajini and Kamal towards the end of the show.
  One of the gals asked Rajini for his most memorable movie. Rajini said it was Mullum Malarum as the director brought out a character from him which he had never felt he cud have done nor which he felt he wud ever be able to do in future. He said the director believed in him. He never mentioned IR of course, as his reply had nothing to do wit the music, but we know IR was the MD for the movie anyway.
  
  The show quality was pretty bad. Most of the songs esp those used at the beginning sucked big time. The choreographers seemed to have concentrated on only a few stars and the rest were left wit shabby steps and poor training. It was horrible. Only the kamal + rajini duo at the end and the comedy skits inbetween saved it from being a total disaster.
  
  
• From: siva (@ 63.170.144.101) on: Mon Aug 12 09:02:06 EDT 2002
  
  Cheenu,
  
  You have nailed the problem.
  
  Also I feel people like me who grew up listening to IR songs still/will ever rate IR as No 1 and they are never going to change that opinion. People in teens and early twenties who are growing uo listening to ARRs and Devas are never going to understand and fathom IR. I am just saying this from the perception I have. There will be exceptions to this. I have not intend to generalise this.
  
  
  
• From: geeth (@ 213.121.246.138) on: Mon Aug 12 09:20:38 EDT 2002
  
  a cinema based kalai nikazhchi is always based on the latest trend, latest songs etc. it's an indicator on whats ruling the industry now. by seeing the postings above its clear that IR and his songs are not in favour now. also a program serves mostly the latest hits which will keep the audience alive. in that count too, there has been no pick from IR's latest songs (released in the last one year). in cinema industry past glory will not help. current hits only matter.
  
  
• From: thiru (@ 63.169.243.35) on: Mon Aug 12 13:44:11 EDT 2002
  
  these kalai nigaizchi's are like our school annual day functions.... every one gets to meet the other guy and have some fun... ppl enjoy it as they can see everyone in one stage.. they dont care what song is played or who dances...to be frank, for these kalainigazchi's only deva songs and t.rajendar songs (gaana and dappanguthu songs) would suit.. So it doesnt mean anything to IR or his fans that there was no mention of him in the function... its more like a light music show... so ppl want to listen to only latest songs and latest jokes etc... there's nothing to feel disheartened becos of a bunch of jokers letting out some big names... there are better things to talk about i guess......
  
  
• From: musicfan (@ 198.82.168.126) on: Mon Aug 12 15:26:17 EDT 2002
  
  An interesting point to this issue is that whenever one goes to a "good" orchestra music program, IR songs are sung the maximum.Also I have had the chance to sit through a lot of inter-collegiate music functions where singers rarely pick an ARR song. This is due to thesimple fact that ARR songs rely more on the techno music(Duet, KM, Roja and few other exceptions apart) while most IR-KJY or IR-SPB or IR-SJ songs are totally dependent on the singers class.
  So I guess, with stars performing, u wudnt expect them to pick an IR song. Afterall ,we do know how WELL they can sing !!!
  
  
• From: ash (@ 12.5.196.2) on: Mon Aug 12 17:12:59 EDT 2002
  
  I am in my mid thirties now. I saw the rise and fall(???) of IR. When IR was at his peak I always use to argue with older people (like my DAD -- Ardent fan of MSV and KVM) that IR is the best. I still believe IR is the best. Now I am seeing the same trend happening now with ARR and IR. One thing though, media and even the film world wants the latest and the hottest which is obviously ARR these days. I still remember those years where IR scored music for a 55 films in one calendar year. Pretty much every one of them had a few great songs. I think no MD can beat this record. ARR is also very good but very commercial. He accepts only big banner movies and makes sure all the songs are very good in them.
  But IR was not like that. He just gave away great tunes for a great number of horrible movies.
  
  
• From: kk (@ 192.11.223.116) on: Mon Aug 12 18:41:50 EDT 2002
  
  Guys forget about 'Pillai illaa vettil kezhavanum kumaran' show. These guys just dont let thier not existant fans & themselves to remember that they have been around for a loong time!.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.95.121.98) on: Tue Aug 13 03:23:56 EDT 2002
  
  Ash,
  
  Rise & fall? When did the latter happen?
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Tue Aug 13 08:12:03 EDT 2002
  
  >>>this shows that ir hasn't done anything worthwhile to the new generation. face the truth guys.
  
  Very true. When their own film fertenity left IR alone then imagine the kind of negative effect IR had on them. I know most of the stars had some great hits with IR. Even Kamal was there in the function. Isn't he the ardent IR trustee.?
  
  Now, blame the whole film industry.
  
  

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