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IR towing the AR's way??

Topic started by IR Dasan (@ 128.227.80.32) on Thu Jul 31 17:53:38 EDT 1997.
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• From: IR Dasan (@ 128.227.80.32) on: Thu Jul 31 17:58:12 EDT 1997
  
  Recently the film "Devathai" shows that IR has started a serious round altogther. But I am frightened over the fact that my master Maestro has started to tow the line of AR. Did anyone listen to the song "Enge en Kathali Enge Enge" in the film Devathai? Also the BGM in that film shows that IR is drifting towards AR's style. I don't know whether it is healthy for IR or for the numerous IR fans like me at TFM. I am particularly worried over the fact that IR is slowly replacing his flute and violins with percussion instruments. Raaja Sir ithu namaku VenumA?
  
  
• From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.8) on: Thu Jul 31 23:41:23 EDT 1997
  
  Objection your honour!! True that 'engE en kaadhali' is a trash song. But there were a whole lot of such songs in 80s. It is not modelled on ARR. You may have felt like that because of Kartik Raja's voice which made it sound like an ARR song where singers are usually useless.
  
  BGM paththi thappaa pEsinaa naan tennnnnsan aagividuvEn. First half sanga kaala period as well as present day stuff were handled excellently. You may felt the prominence of percussion because, most of the scenes have either violence or horror in them and it is impossible to handle those scenes without percussion for a long time. Moreover, the DTS re-recording may have given you the impression that it sounded like ARR. avvaLavuthaan.
  
  Remeber the scene where Vineeth is loitering in Dubai with his canvas and a female approaches him to write a name board. andha scenele BGM was lovely. He had used an instrument which was difficult to identitfy. It sounded like Xylophone. Maybe something native to the Gulf.
  
  It is not new that Raja uses the instuments native to the area shown in the movie. 'pOtRip paadadi peNNE' had those instruments which are supposedly originated/used more in Southern Tamilnadu.
  
  
• From: E.Hariharan (@ amex.proxy.lucent.com) on: Fri Aug 1 09:31:20 EDT 1997
  
  Speaking of ARR influence in IR song, I felt the song 'Enthan nenjil neekantha' in the film
  kalaigan has some ARR resembelance, the percussion beat and the interlude music, though I may be competely wrong. Even one my friend, who does not listen to TFM that much said the same thing. I am wondering whether kalaigan comes before roja, or afterwards. This is just my observation, so your IR fans, please don't jump on me.
  
  e.hari
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Fri Aug 1 12:28:25 EDT 1997
  
  Along the lines Hariharan has taken.. I feel the song 'ninaikinRa pathayil' from Athma also has shades of ARR in it. Esp. 'nERRu illaatha maaRRam'.
  
  
• From: cp (@ 208.206.24.27) on: Fri Aug 1 12:46:22 EDT 1997
  
  To Ravi and E. Hari:
  Why shouldn't I put this way? Is it that ARR has shades of IR in his songs?
  
  IR can do wonders with his music. It is not that he has to adapt a different style of music to attract people. Even his son KR has given music which almost resembles ARR's music and style. But, I deny that IR has become like ARR.
  
  IMO, "endhan nenjil neengadha" is one of the his best tunes. It also has a very good carnatic touch and cannot be anyway compared to ARR's westernized versions of tamil music. IR would have used percussion instruments and the like but his music just does not go offbeat. It is unique and all the more enchanting.
  
  
• From: Gopal (@ host-207-53-5-184.atl.bellsouth.net) on: Fri Aug 1 15:48:20 EDT 1997
  
  Was ARR around when Kalaignan was released?? Then what would you say with songs like Kaadhal vaanile from raasaiya and Oru kootil from Kolangal?? Call them different. IR will not tread ARRs or for that matter any other guys path because he has laid the rule book and him following other guy aint just possible. As Karthik Raaja put it, Ilay has done enuf innovations that the new MDs can refer to the music of present and past of IR, pick one here, one there, make some jiglebanks, give it as a new product. No wonder, it works in the minds of public because, public memory is short lived.
  For instance, an abc in music like me could think of possible combinations of rhythm and melodies when i listen to songs like Ninaivo Oru Paravai from S Rojakkal or Vizhiyile Malarndhadhu from B oru ? why not a trained musician do the same in a much professional way?? In fact, IR does such tricks every now and then.
  It so happens that ARR is in the limelight and fans of IR like me could think in terms of "why IR did this like ARR?" It is not so. Even Sirpi would have done something different. Even Ranjith Barot would have done something different in the rhythm section in his maiden tamil movie. It doesnt get into our mind. In fact, to say in a few words, TFM music review of VIP says " sounds ARRish" in a particular song. So the order of the day, or parameter today is to compare any music with ARR, and that happens automatically in the mind.
  IR is already out of movie music ( but for the ones he is into) and has never failed to stress the fact that melody reigns supreme, always. His love for violin, guitar is known. He just cannot settle for percussion alone!!!
  
  
• From: krishnan (@ uswgmn3.uswest.com) on: Fri Aug 1 16:13:08 EDT 1997
  
  I personally feel the music for devadai is by
  karthik raja in the name of IR.This might have been done to boost his career.I don't think a
  genius of IR's calibre can do such lacklustre
  music.If IR is doing that he is digging his own
  grave in the fag end of his career.
  
  
  
• From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.8) on: Mon Aug 4 00:24:17 EDT 1997
  
  Krishnan
  
  'dhEvadhai' is like Kartik's music? thayavu seythu ayyaa ithai veLiyile sollaathInga. I accept that songs were not that good. But 'oru naaL antha oru naaL' is something wonderful. Hello - something wonderful. But BGM was defenitely superb.
  
  IR is at the fag end of his career? Please substantiate your statement. What do you mean by 'career'?
  
  
• From: Gopal (@ host-207-53-4-204.atl.bellsouth.net) on: Mon Aug 4 00:41:45 EDT 1997
  
  Aravind, tenson avaadhepaa!! Solravanga sollathaan seivaanga!! Seerees avaadhe, odambukku aavaadhu!!
  
  
• From: thiruvuRai aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Mon Aug 4 20:02:08 EDT 1997
  
  I haven't listened to dhEvadhai yet. But rAjA's previous supposedly
  blockbuster siRaichchAlai was a disappointment but for the two songs
  sempUvE and suttum chudar vizhip pArvaiyilE. The second song was
  excellent, although reminded me of sundhari of thaLapathi. As
  my friend commented in suttum cudar vizhi rAjA mirattufies with the
  violin. Anyways, besides this this was a big flap for rAja in my
  opinion. The BGM, to put it light, sucked.
  
  
• From: kumar (@ 148.5.30.79) on: Tue Aug 5 02:24:45 EDT 1997
  
  arularasan must heard siraichai in tamil
  version, which was poorly dubbed. The
  original malayalam version heard a great
  flavour of mallu flok. The thai piranda
  desam was a great hindi chorus which
  poorly dubbed in to a stale M. vasudevan solo.
  No wonder it got only best music in kerala
  state. North indian mags accused the
  songs for sounding native to south.
  Because south indians are supposed
  to accept north indian stuff as it is.
  But they wont take ours.
  
  
• From: Gopi SAnthanam (@ neesgate.neesnet.com) on: Tue Aug 5 08:12:49 EDT 1997
  
  Mr Kumar . you are absolutely right. There is no reason that our songs should please the north
  Indian counterparts nor should our music strive
  to achieve the same .
  
  I think thaai pirandha desam was sung by mano and was done rather insipidly .
  
  The malayalam version of all the songs were more sweet. Only SPB had stemmed the rot
  in the Tamil version.
  
  
• From: PG (@ igw2.merck.com) on: Tue Aug 5 09:22:45 EDT 1997
  
  I have heard only the Tamil version. In addition to Suttum Vizhi Chudar, Sempoove there is another song which is great : Mannan koorai chelai. Only Chitra could do justice do that song.
  
  Dubbed songs are usually not as good as the original ( I enjoy Geethanjali in Telugu better than Idhaiyathai Thirudathe even though I don't know Telugu).
  
  
• From: kumar (@ 148.5.30.79) on: Tue Aug 5 09:24:27 EDT 1997
  
  to gopi S:
  
  But as a exception to the northy mags,
  Times of india (bombay) came our with
  a review of the malayalam album as a seperate
  article, long before the release of the movie.
  (name: Wake up anand-milind, illayaraja
  is back). This have never ever happened
  before i beleive, a review south indian album
  release coming in TOI. ( I read it a half a
  dozen times and bought audio the same
  day, that a different story.)
  
  
• From: thiruvuRai aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Wed Aug 6 19:32:00 EDT 1997
  
  Coming back to the topic whether IR towing ARR, the song
  
  allAh un ANaip padi
  
  sounds rehmanish but too good to be rehman's.Heard IR did the
  music. Any opinions?
  
  
  
• From: kumar (@ 148.5.30.79) on: Thu Aug 7 01:52:34 EDT 1997
  
  What do you guys mean rahmanish?
  Has rahman leased the keyboard and
  synth for 99 years? First say what
  the distinct style rahman has introduced
  that IR follows. The johny song
  'katril vesum geedam' game out in a
  BaluM's move 'aur ek prem kahani'.
  It had the same music with different
  instruments. Filmfare review said
  it sounds rahmanish!. All
  brammai. Even hindi version
  of 'ingi edupazagi' was said to be
  rahmanish. Does IR ever goes off key?
  Does he uses unrelated bits in between?
  Does he makes melodies just out of
  'Call loudly but slowly formula' ? then
  say he's goes rahmanish.
  
  
• From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.8) on: Thu Aug 7 05:14:12 EDT 1997
  
  isai rasigargaLE
  
  iLaiyaraajaavai rahmaanudan oppittup pEsuvathan mUlam naam iLaiyaraajaavai izhivu paduththukiROm enRu ninaikkiREn. In what way is ARR so much different from Deva, VS, Sirpi, Adiththyan etc? I accept that he is slightly better than others. But does that qualify him to be compared with IR? We are defenitely insulting IR by comparing ARR with him.
  
  IMHO, the only valid comparison, as far as MDs are concerned, would be between MSV (with & without Ramamurthy) and Ilaiyaraja.
  
  Off course, the other comparisons are negative - Who is least irritating among ARR, Deva, VS, Sirpi etc.
  
  BTW, Deva has tuned a catchy number in 'sUrya vamsam'. It goes like
  
  'salaku salakku unthan sElai salakku salakku'
  
  
• From: kumar (@ 148.5.30.79) on: Thu Aug 7 09:36:50 EDT 1997
  
  
  to Arvind:
  (off the Topic)
  Surya vamsam was tuned by SA rajkumar
  worth songs are
  . rosa poo rosa poo ( sounds same AAn Pavam
  song after pallavi)
  . kadala kadala ( same tune of 'vizhiyile vizundadu.. ' a old IR song)
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Thu Aug 7 19:03:15 EDT 1997
  
  Hi,
  
  I enjoyed kumar's reply. What I meant was, anyone who listens to the song
  I mentioned for the first time without knowing who the MD was would have
  guessed it to be ARR. (Maybe I am wrong here.) The tonal quality, the
  arrangements of instruments etc., suggested me that it was by ARR. You
  get the same feeling when you listen to Asai for the first time without
  knowing that it was musiced by dhEvA (and you would have identified
  immediately that mInammA was a cut-and-paste kind of of phil collin's mAmA; I
  found later that all songs were so except nAnga ready pAttu).
  
  
• From: Pagalavan Krishnamoorthy (@ mb.cisco.com) on: Tue Aug 12 00:50:40 EDT 1997
  
  I totally agree with Arvind that apples should not be compared with oranges. Maestro can be compared with MSV, not with anyone else in TFM. In fact even in that comparison, Maestro stands tall because of his wide spectrum of musical talents, contributions and achievements..
  
  
• From: BHAVANI ARUMBAKKAM (@ 202.54.6.230) on: Mon Oct 27 22:24:37 EST 1997
  
  Mr.Kumar!!
  here's are a few more to add to your list..
  
  mukala mukabula souns like aasaye alai pole naam ellam adan mele...
  
  vennilave vennilave = adi ennadi rakkama pallaku nelippu...
  
  
  
• From: madhan raghavan (@ 202.41.117.3) on: Sun Nov 2 13:36:14 EST 1997
  
  IR towing ARR's line - i see that the users of this forum have excellent sense of humor. The genius of IR lies not in the number of instruments he employs or the kind of instruments he uses, but the WAY HE HANDLES WHATEVER INSTRUMENTS he uses is what that makes IR the great composer that he is. The best example for complicated use of the key board to give the ambience of athe Nature is the song " ALLLLI THANDHA BHOOMI ANNAI ALLAVA" sung by Malayasia Vasudevan from the movie " NANDU" directed by Mahendran - WHAT A SONG ?!! INCREDIBLE USE OF THE KEYBOARD INTERSPERSED BEAUTIFULLY WITH VIOLINS - listen to this song and you will realise that IR does not have to tow ANYBODY'S lines, leave alone ARR's.
  
  Madhan, Goa
  
  
• From: r.ravi (@ 202.54.35.172) on: Sat Nov 8 14:21:15 EST 1997
  
  Oh madan this is the second time i got you right.
  I can understand what you are trying to say.
  The keyboard piece you are talking about is always etched in my memory.Haunting isn't it ?
  
  
• From: VidyaGanesh. (@ www-2.ml.com) on: Tue Apr 14 13:55:58 EDT 1998
  
  ARR is nowhere compared to the mastero IR.
  It it like comparing rotten fruit with Orange.
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ cobweb-ta.mis.cypress.com) on: Thu Jun 29 16:56:15 EDT 2000
  
  IR towing ARR's line - NONSENSE.....!
  
  

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