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Whatever happened to Illayaraja's symphony?

Topic started by Swaminathan N (@ infosys.inf.com) on Wed May 14 15:38:06 EDT 1997.
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• From: hari (@ 66.25.209.202) on: Sun May 20 02:37:18 EDT 2001
  
  Anand, cosmician.. i remember reading in raajangahm that IR is planning to start an academy (music research senter) outside madras... so this aspect (passing on knowledge) is certainly not lacking in IR !
  
  
• From: raaja is king (@ 63.215.116.233) on: Sun May 20 02:37:30 EDT 2001
  
  Ramesh that is wonderful news man. yaaro is right about the 9th symphony where beethoven even uses drums in addition to choir.
  
  
• From: cosmicican (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Sun May 20 04:22:08 EDT 2001
  
  Thanks for the info, hari :)..that is indeed good news !
  
  
• From: RAKESH (@ ) on: Sun Sep 2 14:05:10 EDT 2001
  
  I AM REALLY INTERESTED ON MAESTRO I'RAJA SYMPHONY.
  I AM STILL WAITING HIS SCORING.
  WHO HAS TO RELAEASE Dr/ISAIGYANNI SYMPONY.
  
  
• From: SAITAN 666 (@ 202.188.113.3) on:
  
  NANTHAN RELEASE SEIYE POREN HEHEHE.
  
  
• From: saitan999 (@ 203.199.238.197) on: Mon Sep 3 13:18:58 EDT 2001
  
  thanks saitan666
  if you release the album, u will be the only listener.
  Either 666 will listen or your brother667 will listen.
  Better be at drumstick tree,you can release any type of album at the apex.
  
  
• From: athavan (@ 65.101.14.92) on: Sun Sep 9 17:18:01 EDT 2001
  
  Hey guys...does anyone know where i can find "how to name it" to listen to on the web?
  
  
• From: athavan (@ 65.101.14.92) on: Sun Sep 9 17:19:46 EDT 2001
  
  Or can someone please forward an MP3 site which still works!!
  
  
• From: NCR (@ ) on: Thu Mar 28 16:13:24 EST 2002
  
  Please go through this. Very much interesting
  
  http://webhome.idirect.com/~rlevy/current_question.html
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Thu Mar 28 16:23:17 EST 2002
  
  This link is already posted in old responses. This was a response to one Anbu from John Scott regarding IR's symphony. I didnt look into that before posting. So ignore this posting guys.
  
  
• From: Deepak (@ 146.235.2.37) on: Thu Mar 28 16:25:18 EST 2002
  
  Just wanted to clarify this for a long time.
  The person Anbu who had asked that question is the same as Ambleen who posts here... Ambleen can you clarify if you are reading this..
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Thu Mar 28 17:33:45 EST 2002
  
  Ambleen that would be great if you can throw us some words on this.
  
  
• From: Super * Fan (@ 12.253.125.169) on: Sat Mar 30 03:56:34 EST 2002
  
  sila vishayam ellam.. passing cloud'nu marandhudanum.. andha maari dhaan.. namma maestro.. symphony pottaru.. OK.. GREAT.. EXCELLENT.. yaarukuu pottaru.. adhuku potaru.. appidi pottaru.. namakku adhu ellam thevai illa.. maaplai.. avaru symphony pottaru.. OK.
  
  sari, now time to listen to his TFM music.. namma kuduthu vachadhu avlo dhaaan.. and don't tell me that is not good enough now.
  
  
• From: no jalra (@ 61.11.74.10) on: Sat Mar 30 05:53:20 EST 2002
  
  Have anyone in this thread read Margaret Mitchell's Gone With The Wind ?
  
  no offence just curious.
  
  
• From: Venkatesh CR (@ 212.72.11.66) on: Sun Mar 31 00:07:38 EST 2002
  
  An interesting tidbit from IR's new book Paal Nila Padhai:
  
  IR talks about his association with John Scott and Michael Townend, during the recording of the Symphony.
  
  He says he spoke to John Scott in 2000 again, asking whether he can come for the recording of HeyRam with Budapest Symphony. Though John Scott wished much so, he had to regret his not coming, bcos of other recording commitments.
  
  But he told Raja 'I still listen to your Symphony, when I get a creative block. Even 2-3 days back also, I was humming your melodies while going for my walk'.
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.66) on: Sun Mar 31 00:11:21 EST 2002
  
  Correction:
  
  But he told Raja 'I still listen to your Symphony, when I get a creative block, to refresh my mind.
  
  
• From: S (@ 128.107.253.44) on: Mon Apr 1 03:32:27 EST 2002
  
  no jalra,
  have u seen the movie Gone with the wind ?? and do u remember the last dialogue ??
  
  that's my reply to ur post.
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Mon Apr 1 05:00:49 EST 2002
  
  Coming back to the thread title, 'Whatever happened to IR's symphony'? We've been asking this to ourselves, to IR, to fellow IR-fans et all for so many years now that it has sorta lost its topicality. This should be the best time to release it...maybe clash it with Bombay Dreams to let people of TN take pride in their 2 gems going international!
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.161) on: Mon Apr 1 06:12:01 EST 2002
  
  Good idea..Karthik !!!
  
  
• From: AUM (@ 65.56.135.115) on: Fri Apr 5 03:43:43 EST 2002
  
  Mystery becomes Maestro. I am not hard guessing any more, so I am making some psyche-logical reasoning (it is going to be a new branch of science after this) to make some reasonable deductions. As the mystery is, why hasn't the Maestro released the Symphony? Avarhal etharhaku londonikku ponen? Maatruthukka illey Kaattruthukka? Thirahmayahai Kaahttruthukku not Maatruthukku. So, that is the basic premise.
  
  Our Maestro composed a Symphony to showcase his extraordinary abilities to the world and so used London as the centrestage. The Maestro did everything right until something did not feel right at the end! Every genius will not stake his reputation and energy to be belittled by one neglected area of the entire effort that was the object of his determination.
  
  IR is an extremely balanced genius yet very sensitive, though many may have mistake these qaulities for eccentricity. (It is a defense to help in the unabated flow of his creativity. No distractions, controversies should over challenge IR unnecessarily. He let the vast range of his talent to detract and quieten all kinds of criticisims at any given point!!!) Mozart was eccentric, so left early, but not IR who employed rationale and worked his mind through all hours to achieve what he did.
  
  Now all the effect of all that achievemnet he would not have wanted washed out in just one symphonic stroke of the baton. Indeed, IR also found that something was not right with the symphony and so it did not justify a release that would totally gone to undermine his achievements and bring down his market value. Plus, his sons careers were just blossoming and IR would not have liked any negative market value for the symphony world wide and in India to affect his children's opportunities. So, I am guessing that IR was protecting a lot of interests, his, his childrens. And, I feel this symphony could go unreleased until IR has a solution such as the following:
  
  Composed another symphony to tide over the criticism of the earlier symphony
  
  Composed a couple more symphonies to pass off (what is that marketing term, cross-sell or something?) the first by now neglected Symphony.
  
  or,
  
  Has been waiting for more offers to compose symphonies from abroad.
  
  About the quality of the symphony, from the last supposition, I fear that the work may not have been remarkable or it may have been too revolutionary for Western audience. For Indian audience, who knows anything about a Symphony and who would care when all they can appreciate was O Ja Rangeela Re!
  
  Also, I feel IR may feel that his effort was unique and no appreciation of it would be possible currently unless the world was made 'eager' to get it. Which means, a great lable like Sony or a great producer calling IR to produce more Symphonies. So far no such thing has happened, except that we have seen the Queen Mother visit Chennai in 1996 and Webber inviting Rahman, both I feel definitive outcomes of word of mouth work of IR's Symphonic work with the elite at London.
  
  But, my question is, why hasn't offers poured in from anywhere? Only IR seems to be calling the Hungarian Orchestra or others and it does not seem to be the other way around.
  
  Basically, IR likes to be in control. I feel he is not in control regarding the audience for the work, so he is controlling it by not permitting the release.
  
  My opinion, looking at IR's works in the times since 1985, this Symphony must be extraordinary work and IR wants to make money out of it and mostly achieve international recognition at the right time. I think he must have decided that the right time is not come yet because kids and the audience are playing around now with computers. Once that fad is over, I bet IR will himself release it with the right producers supporting it.
  
  So, when is that likely? My prediction is not this April or May 2002 when most of the planets are aligning in various geometrical designs. But, definitely before 2005. Right now, the Maestro is, I can feel it, still focusing on some undone musical works (nothing new may come out until the last minute, anyway, maybe a few minutes the second symphony maybe born just then!!) Mostly the father that he is, after the marriage of Ms. Bhavatharini. (No, I am not going that further in time, when the Maestro will want to see his grandchildren also married. This will not end...)
  
  Bottomline: Before May 2005!
  
  
• From: Eswar (@ 63.89.199.3) on: Mon Apr 8 15:55:00 EDT 2002
  
  Hari,
  
  "Anand, cosmician.. i remember reading in raajangahm that IR is planning to start an academy (music research senter) outside madras... so this aspect (passing on knowledge) is certainly not lacking in IR !"
  
  I remember hearing him trying to buy an old palace somewhere in Kottayam, Kerala for that purpose. I am not very sure, but I am sure I read it in a Malayalam daily around 3 or 4 years ago. Anybody, can confirm it?
  
  
• From: Venkat (@ ) on: Wed May 8 07:21:28 EDT 2002
  
  Hi guys can anyone tell me where i could find illayaraja's albums like "Nothing but wind" and "How to name it".
  
  
• From: Jayjayvanti (@ 134.132.165.174) on: Thu May 9 15:23:07 EDT 2002
  
  Venkat, go to any decent music shop and you'll find these two albums. If you want to know where they are available on net, they are put up on live365.com. But, try and buy the CDs / Cassettes.... Maestro's music is best heard on CDs for better appreciation of its quality and orchestration.
  
  
• From: VIJAY (@ ) on: Mon May 20 07:44:28 EDT 2002
  
  I GOT SOME NEWS THAT IR SYMPHONY IS RELEASED IN
  LONDON.IS IT TRUE
  
  
• From: S (@ 128.107.253.40) on: Mon May 20 15:05:21 EDT 2002
  
  NO
  
  

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