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Vairamuthuvin vaira Varigal!?

Topic started by RAJAN (@ proxy-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on Thu Dec 25 22:00:46 EST 1997.
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• From: RAJAN (@ proxy-156.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on: Thu Dec 25 22:07:28 EST 1997
  
  I have lot of doubt's in vairamuthu's lyrics.
  
  In one song, "nee poagum thearuvil aangalai vidamaattean....."
  
  Appadi yendral kaathalanukku, kaathali mea-l santhegama? Kaathali mea- nambikkai illaya? Ithu kaathalai kochchai paduthuvathaagatha!?
  
  Yaaraavathu vilakkungalean!
  
  
• From: Gokul (@ ww-tk05.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Dec 25 23:24:08 EST 1997
  
  Rajan,
  
  Look at it in this way.
  
  He does not want any other man to have the pleasure of looking at his lady love. Extreme degree of possessiveness. Neet not be
  santhegam.
  
  
• From: Arun (@ bat-49-42.tm.net.my) on: Fri Dec 26 08:28:14 EST 1997
  
  How about Kan Padume Pirar Kan Padume Nee Veliye Varalama- Un kattalagana Meniyai Oorar Kannukku Tharalama....
  
  But there is a difference in terms of presentation and the selection of words. Old is still gold.
  
  
• From: Kumar Venkataraman (@ cache-eb.superlink.net) on: Fri Dec 26 15:40:00 EST 1997
  
  Sorry for deviating, but why does PBS sing that song as kanBadumae pirar kanBadumae?
  
  Anyway, I find that a poet is only as good as the amount to which he/she keeps you guessing. And I interpret the line the same way Gokul does.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ dutyfree.proxy.lucent.com) on: Fri Dec 26 17:14:07 EST 1997
  
  Raajan:
  
  Adhukke appadi kelvi ketkureenga innum idhukku enna explanation ketkkaporeenga :)))
  
  
  Nee pogum theruvil aangalai vidamattaen
  Sila pengalai vidamattaen
  
  
  Sari adhu pogattum, your topic title is excellent, but is sarcastic to the subject :)) why don't we start discussing some of the Real Vaira Varigal of Vairamuthu.
  
  Without Thambi Ramki's help I don't think I can make any real contribution when it comes to Lyrics. Ramki Please Help!!
  
  I would like to share that I feel somthing special about Vairamuthu in some lines in some songs I cannot recollect them now. But I can give an idea someone more knowledgeable can come out with the actual songs that these lines were in.
  
  He uses words like Maranathirkku Maranam Uyirin uyirae Azhagin Azhagae
  and many more which I am unable to recollect at this point of time :))
  
  One of the best song that I like for which I am hoping that Vairamuthu is the lyricist is:
  
  
  Idhu oru pon maalai pozhudhu
  Vaana magal, nanugiraal,
  Veru udai, ??giraal
  
  from Nizhalgal Music by IR.
  
  
  Kannukku mai azhagu
  Kavidhaikku poi azhagu
  
  from Pudhiya Mugam by ARR
  
  
  
  
• From: RAJAN (@ proxy-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on: Fri Dec 26 23:47:28 EST 1997
  
  Bhaskar:
  We may discuss Vairamuthuvin vaira varigal and also vairamuthuvai vayira varigaludan!
  
  
• From: Shunmugam (@ 171-49-200.ipt.aol.com) on: Fri Dec 26 23:48:22 EST 1997
  
  Some more "vaira varigal"
  (I dont remember the full song. sorry..)
  From Ninaivellam Nithya
  "vasanthangal vaazhthum pozhuthu unathu kilayil poovaven"
  "ilayuthir kaalam muzhuthum makizhnthu unakku veraven"
  From sivappu malli
  Erimalai eppadi porukkum Nam neruppukku innuma urakkam
  Azhaigal oivathillai
  Vizhiyil vizhunthu ithayam nuzhainthu uyiril kalantha urave...
  Of course the famous
  Mukilinangal alaigirathey mukavarigal tholainthathuvo
  mukavarikal tholainthathal azhuthidumo athu mazhayo...
  In Nizhalgal
  Poomarangal Saamarangal Veesatho......
  In Kansivanthal Mansivakkum the song Manitha Manitha is full of great lyrics
  Manitha Manitha ini un vizhikal sivanthaal ulagam vidiyum...
  vizhiyil vazhiyum uthirum muzhuthum ini un saritham ezhuthum
  asayum kodikal uyarum uyarum
  nilavin Muthukai urasum
  ...
  ....
  ..
  Ingu then varum enbathum paal varum enabathum josiyamanathada.
  ingu saataikaley ini theervukal enbathu soosakamaanathada..
  Great song
  In Raaja Paarvai
  "Anthi Mazhai pozhikirathu ovvaru thuliyulum un mugam therikirathu"
  ..
  ..
  "Nenju poru.. konjam iru.. thaavani visirikal veesukiren..
  Manmatha ambukal thaitha idankalil santhanamai enai poosukiren"
  
  PS: Pls. forgive the typos and other spelling mistakes....
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Arun (@ bat-49-35.tm.net.my) on: Sat Dec 27 09:50:39 EST 1997
  
  Bhaskar,
  Tamil Literature says Kavithaikku Azhagu are Unarchi, Vadivam and Karpanai. But Vairamuthu says it is Poi that give beauty to poetry. Does this mean that Tamil poems must contain tons of lies to qualify for Quality? The greatness of Avvaiyar lies in her flare for the Tamil verses. But her Koon Azhagu seem to override everything else. Avvai should be remembered for her Tamil, not for her physical deformation.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tb05.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Dec 27 11:25:28 EST 1997
  
  Shanmugam or Shunmugam ??:
  
  Welcome to TFMDF, ungalukku objection illenna ungalai andha TFMDF Intros topic-il poi konjam ungalai patthi solreengala ?
  
  Your lines are real great to be recollected.
  
  Arun:
  
  Illa Arun avaru previous line "mai" endra vaarthaikku rhyming varavendum endru indha "poi" endra varthai use seidhu irukkalaam :) He says that "poi" gives beauty to poetry but not necessarily quality :))
  
  
• From: Shunmugam (@ 202-190-177.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Dec 27 18:18:25 EST 1997
  
  One of vairamuthu's non movie based kavithai
  "Vaazhkai chaalayil manitharkal pookalyum parappalam, mutkalyum parappalam
  poovayum eduthukkol, mullayum eduthukkol
  antha poovai sattayil kuththikolla mullai kundoosi aakikol"
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Kumar Venkataraman (@ cache-eb.superlink.net) on: Sat Dec 27 23:54:11 EST 1997
  
  Bhaskar,
  
  It is
  vaana magal naanugiraal
  vaeru udai poonugiraal
  
  poondu - anindhu?
  
  Which poem are these lines from? It is by Vairamuththu:
  
  maran(m)dhaan maran(m)dhaan, manidhan marandhaan
  marandhaan marandhaan, manidhan maran(m)dhaan
  
  Arun,
  aen ippadi koabappaduginreer? VM has just called Avvai's hump as beautiful. He's not defamed her at all. Avvaiyoada koonilaeyum (NOTE:koonil mattumalla! her tamil inclusive) azhagaikkaanum kavignanae kavignan! It's just a matter of perspective!
  
  
• From: Kumar Venkataraman (@ cache-eb.superlink.net) on: Sat Dec 27 23:54:54 EST 1997
  
  Bhaskar,
  
  It is
  vaana magal naanugiraal
  vaeru udai poonugiraal
  
  poondu - anindhu?
  
  Which poem are these lines from? It is by Vairamuththu:
  
  maran(m)dhaan maran(m)dhaan, manidhan marandhaan
  marandhaan marandhaan, manidhan maran(m)dhaan
  
  Arun,
  aen ippadi koabappaduginreer? VM has just called Avvai's hump as beautiful. He's not defamed her at all. Avvaiyoada koonilaeyum (NOTE:koonil mattumalla! her tamil inclusive) azhagaikkaanum kavignanae kavignan! It's just a matter of perspective!
  
  
• From: Arun. (@ wmu-54-240.tm.net.my) on: Sun Dec 28 07:50:32 EST 1997
  
  Kumar, Kobamillai, just curiosity. Type adikkumbothu thavaruthalaga milagai kadithuvitten. Avvalavuthan. Anyway grateful for the other perspective of the song that you have exposed.
  
  
• From: (the other) Arun (@ internet1.ford.com) on: Sun Dec 28 11:56:02 EST 1997
  
  Has anyone noticed these lines from anbe.. anbe in Kaadhal Desam?
  
  meiyaaga neeyennai virumbaatha pothum
  poiyonru soll kanney en jeevan vaazhum
  nijam undhan kaadhal enraal...
  
  ???
  
  - Arun.
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-te01.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Dec 28 12:54:22 EST 1997
  
  (The Other) Arun:
  
  Haven't seen Kadhal Desam so I'm unfamiliar with the context, but I thought the lines meant:
  uNmaiyaaga nee ennai virumbavillai endru enakkuth theriyum
  aanaalum nee un vaayaal orae oru poi sonnaal en uyir vaazhum
  adhaavadhu nee ennai kaadhalikkiraai endra poi sonnaal
  I think the word endraal stands for sonnaal and not the usual "if so".
  
  BTW, didn't Vaali pen the lyrics for Kadhal Desam? I like some lines in thendralae and oh veNNilaa too.
  
  
• From: Nava (@ brk-23-181.tm.net.my) on: Mon Dec 29 07:59:19 EST 1997
  
  Vairamuthu is living in the shadows of Kannadhasan. Many of the latter's lyrics have been recycled to reflect the late nineties. I have ample proof but before I could proceed can I have some die-hard Kannadhasan fans to comment ?
  
  
  
• From: Nava (@ brk-23-181.tm.net.my) on: Mon Dec 29 08:08:08 EST 1997
  
  Vairamuthu is living in Kanadhasan's shadow. I have ample proof that the latter's lyrics have been recycled to reflect the nineties. Before I could proceed, can I be enlightened as to whether the honorofic title "Kaviarasu" was bestowed on him or he crowned himself as such ?
  
  
• From: Nava (@ brk-23-181.tm.net.my) on: Mon Dec 29 08:09:56 EST 1997
  
  Vairamuthu is living in Kanadhasan's shadow. I have ample proof that the latter's lyrics have been recycled to reflect the nineties. Before I could proceed, can I be enlightened as to whether the honorofic title "Kaviarasu" was bestowed on him or he crowned himself as such ?
  
  
• From: Manisekaran (@ bat-47-157.tm.net.my) on: Mon Dec 29 10:34:16 EST 1997
  
  Nava, As to the title of Kaviarasu, I am told that it was Avvai Nadarajan, Perunkaviko Sethuraman and a few others had bestowed the title upon Vairamuthu at a Madurai function. Suratha gives a very controversial background to this in his book entitled "Vinakalum Surathavin Vidaikalum." Could someone come out with verifying the actual background to the bestowal of "Kaviyarasu" title please. Nava, in the case of Vairamuthu following Kannadasan's footsteps, I think no harm is there as Kannadasan himself has followed Sangap Paadalkal and acknowledged in writing. It is common for juniors to follow seniors in the cine field.
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Mon Dec 29 11:44:03 EST 1997
  
  Nava,
  
  Please do write your opinions. I believe kaNNadhAsan brought
  the sangap pAdalgaL down to us ordinary folks. But di-a-muNdu using
  archaic words, actually kochchaip paduthtufies a lot. Please do
  write.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ dutyfree.proxy.lucent.com) on: Mon Dec 29 12:06:06 EST 1997
  
  (The Other) Arun:
  
  Andha previous posting Avvai pattriyadhu ungaladhu dhaan endru enni irundhaen, when you said the other Arun I got confused. Now I am clear there are two Arun's 1. USA Arun and 2. Malaysia Arun :))
  
  Malaysia Arun: Welcome to TFMDF, ungalai pudhusa paarkiraen. I read your intro in the Intros topic.
  
  USA Arun:
  
  Neenga sonna andha paadal Anbe enai kannavillaiye nettrodu is written by Vaali and not by Vairamuthu. Surprised!!
  
  The complete lyrics of this song was once written and discussed in Mayakkum Kaadal Geethangal thread by NOV.
  
  Kanchana:
  
  Unga interpretation is perfect. Eppadi indha maadiri padam paakamale meaning guess seireenga :)
  
  
• From: (you know which) Arun (@ internet1.ford.com) on: Wed Dec 31 13:54:44 EST 1997
  
  Kanchana:
  
  Thanks a lot. That is one my favorite songs by ARR. (Boy, does that song rock!!) Those lines had always been a little nerudufying to me. Thanks for clearing that up.
  
  Bhaskar & Kanchana:
  
  Yes, I am surprised that it was Vaali. (My CD cover does not give any credits :-( and I assumed it was VMuthu.) I was amazed by these lines in Oh Vennilaa:
  
  Irukkindra idhayam ondrallavaa
  enathalla adhuvum unadhallavaa
  
  ethaik ketta pothum tharakkoodumey
  uyir kooda unakkaay vidakkoodumey
  
  tharukindra porulaai kaadhal illai
  thanthaaley kaadhal kaadhal illai
  
  Beautiful lines and awesome melody.
  
  - Arun.
  
  
• From: MPR (@ dyn07.iacc-t23.ndsu.nodak.edu) on: Sun Jan 4 20:26:47 EST 1998
  
  When comes to Dir. Kathir, Vaali usually writes well. May be because of Kathir's interest in kavithais. We can sense that in his dialogues too. So Vaali has done good job from Idayam to Kadhal Desam, and Kathir never has gone to Vairamuthu.
  
  MPR
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ ucc220.lab.cc.wmich.edu) on: Mon Jan 5 13:04:57 EST 1998
  
  Nice topic:))
  
  some of my favs .:
  
  Poo poopadhai yaar parthadhu kaadhal kooda poovai pondradhu(kadhanaayagan)
  
  thavalaikkum pombalaikkum rettai idam dhaanae(kizhakku seemaiyile)
  
  dharmam pesum indha oar ullamae
  saagum munnae erikkum
  thaanai aeni tharum
  mele aere vidum
  meendum aeri parikkum
  thadumaarum sila nyangal
  idhanaal dhan pala kaayangal
  kanneeril thalladum pen deepangal(anbullae malarae)
  
  aindharivu konda jeevan yaavum vaazhavillaiya
  sugam kaanavillaiya
  aaram arivu kondam adhu ondre thollaiya(vaanamae ellai)
  
  undhan sogam sonnaal un aekkam poividum
  engal sogam sonnaal undhan thookkam poividum(vaanamae ellai)
  
  rathamindri sudhandhiram petrom
  sudhandiram vaangi ratham sindhinom(jaadhi malli)
  
  paadha suvadu thedi thedi
  kaalgal oyndhu ponadhae
  naalum azhudhu theerthadhaalae
  kangal aezhai aanadhae
  thalaividhi enum varthai ingu
  kavalaikku marundhaanadhae(pudhu kavidhai)
  
  
  
  
  
• From: KumarVenkataraman (@ cache-eb.superlink.net) on: Tue Jan 6 22:53:43 EST 1998
  
  Here's my favorite from the VR-IR-SPB-SJ combination (Song is oa vasantha raajaa from Neengal Kaettavai:
  
  venpanju maegangal un pinjup paadhangal
  man thottadhaal inru sevvaanam poalaachchu
  vin sorggamae poy poy en sorggam nee pennae
  soodiya poochcharam vaanavildhaanoa
  
  Words in that verse revolve around the Sky concept: venpanju maegangal, sevvaanam, vin sorggam, vaanavil.
  
  aaraadhanai naeram aalaabanai raagam
  alaipaayudhae moagam analaagudhae dhaagam
  en maegamae vaa vaa idhazhneeraith thoovu(indha line-ai Ist stanza-vil use panniyirukkalaam!>
  manmadhak koayilil paalabishaegam
  
  All (well, most of them) words are built around the temple/worship concept. Satrae varigal nerudinaalum, vaarththaigalaik kaiyyaanda vidham migavum pidiththuvittadhu!
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ ucc211.lab.cc.wmich.edu) on: Wed Jan 7 09:31:03 EST 1998
  
  Kumar I think Pulamaipithan was the lyricist for this song. "pillai nila'was written by vairamuthu
  and 'adiye manam nillunna'was written by Gangai Amaren
  
  
• From: C. G. Rishikesh (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Sun Apr 26 08:34:31 EDT 1998
  
  This is in response to Arun's note above. There is nothing wrong in saying ``kavithaikku poi alazhagu''. Here we should not equate `poi' with `lie, untruth or falsehood'. No way. What the lyricist means is that poetry is given to a lot of exaggerations, overstatements, hyperbole and so on. Shakespeare wrote ``the poet, the lover and the lunatic are of imagination compact''. Here he clubbed these three categories of people in imagining things and looking at things in their own peculiar, fanciful way. So when you hear a poet, a lover or a mad man say something be prepared to take it with a pinch of salt, for they are not always given to straight talk! Thus kavithaikku poi azhagu.
  Talking of Vairamuthu, what I like about him is agglomeration of details. He takes an idea and then builds examples after examples. This can be noticed in several songs, for instance in ``Oorvasi, oorvasi, take it easy...''. The situations in which one is counselled to take it easy are all pure delight and so very true of life in Tamil Nadu. How many times that when you sit down before the TV set to watch ``oliyum oliyum'' does the electricty supply goes off. Relax!
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.6) on: Thu Dec 3 17:25:02 EST 1998
  
  Hi Guys,
  
  About "Vairamuthuvin vaira varigal", I don't know how you people can forget "Malargalae" song from "Love Birds". Forget the crazy film and listen only to the song.
  
  Gi : "malargalae malargalae
  idhu enna kanava
  malaigalae malaigalae
  idhu enna ninaiva
  urugiyadhae enadhullam
  perugiyadhae vizhi vellam
  vinnodum needhan
  mannodum needhan
  kannodum needhan vaa.."
  (Malargalae)
  
  (G) megam thirandhu kondu
  vinnil irangi vandhu
  maarbil olindu kolla vaa vaa
  
  (B) maarbil olindu kondal maadham ambu varum
  koondhalil olindu kolla varavaa
  
  (G) en koondhal devan thoongum palli araya
  adade malar soodum vayadhil ennai marandhu povadhu dhaan murayaa
  
  (B) ninaikkaadha neram illai kaadhal radhiyae
  radhiyae
  un perai sonnal podhum nindru vazhi vidum
  kaanal nadhiyae
  
  (G) en swaasam un moochil un vaarthai en pechil
  (B) iyndhaaru nootraandu vaazhvom en vaazhvae vaa
  (malargalae...)
  
  (B) poovil naavirundhaal kaatru vaai thirandhaal
  kaadhal kaadhal endru pesum
  (G) neer dhaan kavingar endral alai mozhigal endral
  nam mel kavi ezhudhi veesum
  (B) vaazhvodu valarpirai dhaanae vanna nilavae nilavae
  vaanodu neelam polae inaindhu kondadhu indha uravae
  (G) urangaadha neram kooda undhan kanavae kanavae
  uyiroda uyirai polae uraindhu ponadhu dhaan uravae
  
  (B) Marakkadhu un vaasam marikkaadhu en dhegam
  (G) unakkaaga uyir vaazhvaen vaazhvae en vaazvae vaa
  (malargalae...)
  
  What are your comments about this song.
  
  

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